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Daredevil Is Marvels Best Work... | WFTN #134
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HUGEEEEE week baby!! You know we're always here tot alk about it all. We got some great episodes of The Boys, Invincible, and Daredevil Born Again. Lots of heated discussions so enjoy and let us know who you side with when it comes to some hot takes...
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0:00 Intro/Comments
6:20 What We've Been Up To
19:50 The Boys S4 Talk
27:45 Bens Movie Watches
34:00 Box Office Battle Updates
44:00 Rotten Tomatoes Draft Updates
47:40 What If Doomsday Is Good??
59:30 Picking Movies For Charley To Watch
1:04:00 The Drama Review
1:35:30 Daredevil Born Again Episode 4 Review
1:53:00 The Boys Season 5 Review
2:33:45 Invincible Episode 6 Review
2:59:55 Outro
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Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the Words from the Nerds podcast. Your three favorite nerds to hear spew just their hottest takes and their just horrible opinions. That is us here today. Uh, back for episode 134. Oh, that's these two. Um, back for episode 134. And I'm feeling glorious today. I'm feeling great. We got a lot to cover, a lot to cover, so we will keep this super fast. Starting off, we got some comments to get to. As always, our boy Memish in here with the hashtag best podcast ever. You know, it it's uh it's consistent, but it always hits the exact same. It never gets old. Love you, brother Memish. Love you, Memish. We gotta get we gotta get him on one of these days. We gotta get him on. I've been saying that. When was the last overdue? My brother. Gosh, uh oh yeah, there would be two of them, right?
SPEAKER_00Damn. Yeah, uh he said two little left.
SPEAKER_07I don't know. Maybe it was uh I don't know, man. I really don't know.
SPEAKER_05Was there anything post like Quantumania? Sure. Has it actually been Spider Man? Surely not three years.
SPEAKER_07But Spider Man did come on for a live stream with uh D23, I believe. With me and Charlie. So that might be the most recent one since then.
SPEAKER_05The Marvel trivia from episode 50.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, so since we've started it back up, yeah. I'm not seeing much else. Memish, bro, we gotta have you on. I think that's what we've we're we're kind of seeing right now. We gotta have you on. Um, and then so thank you, Memish. Other comment from Caleb Ferguson-I4S. Bro, this is a goaded video, and you guys need more hype. Ah man, just it's it's the freaking strings. It's the strings, man. It's the strings.
SPEAKER_02It's listen, listen. I got no beef with them. Got no beef with them. I actually I quite enjoy their podcast. But we've been doing it longer than Escape Pod. Just saying. We've been doing it longer, we've been doing it longer, man.
SPEAKER_07We've been doing kind words from Charlie. Kind words from Charlie.
SPEAKER_05Can I wait? Can I tell a brief story about that? Actually, very brief. Go for it. So I was talking to my friend John recently. For those who don't know, John, one of my lifelong friends, him and I started doing content together under the name Aspire Entertainment. He was the whole reason I got TikTok, downloaded it in the first place. Otherwise, I like wouldn't have gotten it. We started doing content, and it was doing very well. I mean, we got up to like almost 60,000 followers or whatever. And then at some point he kind of stopped doing content. I did it solo for a bit. Now I don't really do solo content and I just do this podcast. But recently he was talking to me and he was seeing some of like their success, being like, Oh my gosh, they interviewed this person, they interviewed that person, they're hosting these screenings and private events and whatever. And he was like, dude, okay, this is I just gotta say the all the blame for what I'm about to say. This is his words, not mine. He said, Dude, we were there way before them, they suck. We could absolutely mock on them if we had kept going. I thought it was gross. Well, because when we when we first started and like really started picking up was around no way home time, um, like the build-up to that. And so we were seeing like these events that Marvel was hosting, and seeing that like cosplayers with 4,000 followers were getting invited, and so like early on, John was like, Yo, my goal is that we're invited to the multiverse of madness premiere. I'm like, that's ambitious, bro.
SPEAKER_00That's ambitious.
SPEAKER_07Uh speaking that that was a pro that was like prime fucking take time. That was awesome.
SPEAKER_02Speaking of which, I actually I found this because we just recently started our box office group chat. Um, and Aiden, I got a I got a question for you, pal. I got a question for you, buddy.
SPEAKER_09Oh god, what is this? This is this is a sick suit, bro. You where's this suit? Do you still have this suit? This is actually sick. Was this your suit?
SPEAKER_10Jarvis enhanced, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Zoom in it was um you don't have that suit anymore? That's crazy. I don't know. I don't, man. That's so I spent way too much money on that suit, by the way.
SPEAKER_02Um, oh no, yeah, I definitely that's what I was saying. It like it looks really good.
SPEAKER_07It's a really good looking, it was, yeah. So I was a lot.
SPEAKER_05Oh man, from what I can remember you don't like the double lines on the Tom Holland.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, I don't like those. I don't like that part of it, but I don't I don't know.
SPEAKER_07I didn't know if it was the same. I don't know, man. I can't remember for the life of me. But yeah, I went to the No Way Home Premiere uh dress in the Spider-Man costume. And it was so sick. No way home premiere. He means at his at his theater chat.
SPEAKER_02All right, that's what he means.
SPEAKER_05I mean so opening night, opening night, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, it does have the double. It's not gonna show up here, but it does have the double lines. I don't know. I don't like that.
SPEAKER_05Uh honestly too good. Sorry, uh sorry.
SPEAKER_02It's dude. I just can't get over like the fabric on the arm for the black, bro. Like, it looks so clean.
SPEAKER_07Oh, dude, it was so it was such a cool like suit. Yeah, I loved it. I was sad that I could only wear it just there, like to the movie. But um, yeah, great times. That was an awesome, awesome time. But yeah, thank you, Caleb Ferguson, for that comment, man. It's it's awesome. Yes, we were we were hitting a stride, we were getting a lot of those like during severance time or whatnot. So it's just cool that the edited video of our two hour and 50 minute episode, the edited portion where we talked about like four projects, is uh, you know, got a reaction out of Caleb there. So that's awesome, man. It's it's it's great. I love seeing stuff like that. Um, all right, it's time to get into this. So we'll we'll go rapid fire kind of.
SPEAKER_05I have a question for you, Aiden. Yes, you have to go rapid fire, but I want to know how are you enjoying Odyssey? Have you played anything?
SPEAKER_07That yeah, yeah, that's I um am almost finished with it. I have the last level, I'm at Peach's um castle, so I I I grinded a lot of it today. Holy shit. So um, I'm liking it a lot, man. I'm liking it a lot.
SPEAKER_05Just beating the game doesn't take a crazy amount of time, it's really the post-game like collection.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, well, I was I I also explored a lot. Like as soon as I hit Metro Kingdom, I was like, I'm gonna do a lot of exploring, and so I took my time on a lot of the uh different kingdoms, uh the back half of the game. So yeah, yeah, I'm liking it a lot, dude. Super creative. The mechanics are like just hard enough for me to where I'm like, dude, I'm struggling some some of these uh fights or like you know, some of these objectives, I'm struggling quite a bit. I can't swing in Spider-Man. We know this boy can't swing. So yeah, some of the mechanics are like the perfect amount of difficult, but um, I'm loving it, dude. It's awesome. I'm kind of saying I'm saving Zelda as like the main event. So I think from now I'm gonna pass me on Zelda too.
SPEAKER_06That's actually crazy.
SPEAKER_07I'm gonna try out some of these old games. Uh, I want to build up to Donkey Kong Bonanza. I heard that one was really good. Brandon's kind of been holding my hand through a lot of this. So I heard Bonanza was really good. Uh, I'm gonna play the two franchises that I do want to get into and play the like now that I've beat the Odyssey, or I'm a level away from beating it, Star Fox and Metroid. Those are like the two that have just been calling out to me. Uh, we didn't talk about it a lot last week, but Star Fox is a huge reason. As soon as I saw Star Fox, I was like, what do I have to do to get into this shit? Because like I love this character. Yeah, so that was like he is like one of the main reasons that I got a switch too. So um, yeah, I'm excited. It's it's been awesome too because I got Animal Crossing on there. So um my wife has been playing it a lot, it's been keeping her like occupied. So I told her I was like, hey, look, this is a like Wednesday came around, I was like, I got a lot of episodes of stuff to watch. You want some screen time tonight? Cause uh I gotta get I gotta get these uh episodes going. And she was like, Yeah, cool. So she just sat there and played Animal Kingdom and I uh or Animal Crossing and I uh just watched Daredevil and the boys, so it was really cool. Um, it's it's just kind of been working out. She she was kind of hesitant on me getting it as soon as I downloaded Animal Crossing for her. She's she's played it more than me, honestly. So it's it's awesome, dude. I I love uh I've loved my time with it. Odyssey is a really fun game. I'm hoping it's the next one that they do. That way I can finally kind of be in the know for some of the references and whatnot. That's what Brandon thinks for the next movie. Yeah, so I'm liking it a lot. Having a great time. Um surrounded my ninja gamers is crazy. You you gotta get on that, man. Go play Odyssey, bro. You gotta go play Odyssey, bro.
SPEAKER_02I literally I called, I have a local uh game shop. I called them last week and they had Odyssey. I I I might have said it on the podcast last week, uh, but they said they had it, and I waited a couple days and I went to go check, and somebody bought it. And they but they did say uh that it's it's kind of in circulation over there a lot, so I should just call once a week and um and see if that I mean I do have the game, but again, I'm not I don't want to lie about that.
SPEAKER_07Allegedly, allegedly, I allegedly have the game. Allegedly, yeah. Um I'm having a blast with it, so very fun. I'll I'm looking forward to like keeping y'all updated on like games I'm playing, and um, I don't know. I've always wanted to get more into this franchise, like get get more into Nintendo, and I had a DS growing up, and so I had my my fair share of like all the OG games and whatnot back then. Not enough to remember them, so you know I'm kind of making up for for lost time now, but watched two movies this week, the drama, which we'll get into later. I also watched Devil Wars Prada, and I thought it was really good. I I thought it was actually really good. I gave it a three and a half stars, so uh seven, seven and a half out of ten. Um, I'm excited for the second one. You know, I drafted it, so I kind of want to if I like Avatar Legend of Aang, for instance, drafted that on my Rotten Tomatoes, so I kind of want to watch Avatar so that I don't feel like a fraud for you know drafting these movies. But uh yeah, I had a really good time with Devil Wars Prada. Very um, I could understand the hype. I can understand, you know, why you'd want a sequel. I don't really know what you do in a sequel, but I could understand, you know, kind of the the cult classic and the following around it uh and and why a lot of people would be drawn to it. So I had a good time with it. It was uh very fun watch. Mr. Charles, what'd you get into this past week?
SPEAKER_02Uh decent amount of stuff. I started a new TV show, DTF uh St. Louis. Uh the finale is actually out tonight. Uh I've not watched it. My dad's watching that. It's you know, it's uh some good, some great performances from Jason Bateman. Uh and uh uh Don't Help Me, Don't Help Me. Stranger Things, Thunderbolts, uh David Harbour. Um, good performances from them. Uh, and Linda Cartellini as well. Um, obviously. Uh the three of them are uh they they they all play off of each other really well. It's like it's a very like awkward comedy, but like, and they don't they don't shy away from it's very it's a very like sexual awkward comedy. Um but uh it's also a murder mystery uh quote unquote. Uh but I think it's starting to unravel in a very certain certain way that I you can kind of see coming uh if if you're like halfway through the series. But maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I haven't seen the I haven't seen the the end yet. But it it it is an enjoyable show so far. Uh what else? There was another uh show that I oh I finished Jessica Jones, uh season three. Um yeah, yeah. I mean season three I think is better than season two, uh, but it is uh it it still suffers from a lot of the the problems that season two has. And uh I I stupidly, and I won't spoil this for you guys in case you haven't watched it, but they they released the the midseason trailer for Daredevil, and there's something for Jessica Jones in there that like talks about her character. And I'm like, dude, why the why the fuck did I watch that? And it's because it's like it's something that is like it's like a new revelation for her character that is nowhere in the new the her original show. So I'm like, all right, bro. Like I should, I I wish I would could have watched that with the with with Daredevil when she shows up, but uh whatever. Um oh I watched uh Mercy, uh the uh the Chris Pratt movie. Uh I think it's the worst movie of the year. Um it's it's it's so bad. It's just all over the place. The the the care they don't make you care about any sort of character relationship whatsoever. And then the it's like at the very end, they just hand fist throw in this all this this thing with his new partner, uh, that where she is trying to like get the the the mercy system to really work. So she basically frames this guy for murder, this this homeless man for murder. And that was there was no build-up or lead up or hint at that whatsoever in the entire movie. It just comes out of nowhere, like they're trying to like uh be be some surprise shocking thing, but it does not land well at all. Uh, I can't imagine. Did you see this in 3D, Ben? Yeah, was it good? Was the 3D good? Because I'm watching it, I'm like, uh, this doesn't seem like the 3D would be uh worth it at all.
SPEAKER_05No, uh yeah, I think I talked about it on here, but I I don't know. It just I think the goal with it being like, oh, we want you to be in the POV of Chris Pratt's character, that's why they did it in 3D. And some of the scenes with the editing, with you know the research being done and going through the crime scene, like there's a there's a few moments where you catch a glimpse of it being like, Okay, this seems justified for 3D. But when you cast, I think this is what I said on the episode, when you cast Chris Pratt as the main actor, then of course you're also going to want to show him and his performance a lot of the time, which completely then defeats the purpose of having it be 3D.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, it's just not good, not it, not a good movie. Uh, but you know, it was there, and I want I'm trying to keep up on my watches for the year. I'm waiting for uh Nirvana the man that and Nirvana the man the show. I'm waiting for that to be somewhere.
SPEAKER_07Oh, yeah, you're gonna watch it as well.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'm waiting for that to be somewhere where I don't have to uh pay for it.
SPEAKER_07But um I will buy it for you, bro. Like I think it's I think it's that much of a must-watch.
SPEAKER_08That's crazy. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_07I I'd love to spread that movie out as much as possible.
SPEAKER_02Buy me Odyssey instead, buddy. Um then I watched uh then I watched a movie, uh, the new Gaiton Maderazo movie on Hulu Pizza Movie.
SPEAKER_06The greatest movie of all time.
SPEAKER_02Dude, this movie, like it's all over the place, but it's still like it's still funny. Like it is a very good comedy movie.
SPEAKER_01I will watch it so bad.
SPEAKER_02But like, dude, it lit like it you think of like the wildest shit you can think of it like doing that just like it makes no fucking sense, and it does it. And I like I don't know. It like and it surpasses that even at some points. Like it's an enjoyable movie. I it's nothing crazy though, like I'm not uh I'm not trying to glaze it or anything. I only gave it two and a half stars. Uh, but it is a fun movie. I it was a fun watch. I did have a good time with it. Um and they they even throw in some like character conflict and stuff throughout throughout the movie. That's a that's a good through line and follow-through. Uh, one of the guys you'll actually appreciate, Aiden. Uh, I think he's he's only in like two different episodes of uh uh what it what are they gosh dang it, bro. The YouTube guys that that that we we both like the th uh Thursday, Thursday guy uh almost Friday, almost Friday.
SPEAKER_01Those guys almost Friday, okay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he's it's one of it's one of those, but not one of like the main guys. He was in like two episodes of like I think he did like a Netflix one, like a Netflix spoof one that they did. Uh I don't know the the the actor's name, but you'll see. You'll you'll you'll recognize him. Um yeah, that movie's good. And he actually puts on a good performance, like his performance is so good. Like the role that he plays in the movie is so well done. I don't know. It's I don't it's it's it's good. This movie's good, it is a good movie.
SPEAKER_05I love you being Thursday, almost Friday, yeah, bro. And that's like, well, you're right.
SPEAKER_02You got there. Yeah, bro. I I love them. I don't know how I couldn't think of their their their name. Um, and then of course, I uh I was late to this because uh I was just waiting for the weekend. You guys watched it as it like the day it dropped and whatnot, but I watched the uh Mario Galaxy movie. Uh, and I I watched the your guys' spoiler section where I had to take out I didn't need to take off my headphones for that. You guys didn't really talk about it, like anything that was super spoiler. Like the Fox McCloud stuff that was announced like two days before the movie came out, like with a with a poster and everything.
SPEAKER_05There was stuff like there's the post-credit scenes, we talked about those with the character reveals, which maybe you just don't you're like, oh shoot, like Daisy's gonna be in the next movie.
SPEAKER_02Did you guys say the Daisy stuff?
SPEAKER_05We did, we said that, and then um the post-credit scene that follows up on like there being a potential Star Fox project, some of the final battle stuff with like dry Bowser, not that that's like big things, but like I don't know. It was enough where like if I hadn't seen the movie, I would care.
SPEAKER_02I mean, maybe that's fair, maybe that's fair. Uh, I gave the movie a two-star, uh, two stars. I didn't uh I didn't really appreciate the movie whatsoever, other than like the the the the section, the Mario Maker section I thought was really cool, and of course the the dry dry Bowser and um Bowser Jr. The fight fight scene was also really cool as well. Uh there's a lot of like cool stuff that I I appreciate, obviously, from from playing Mario growing up and everything like that, but beyond that, there was nothing in this movie for me to to grab onto. I actually found myself like actively bored watching it. Like I was just I was I was noticing how bored I was while watching the movie.
SPEAKER_05Because I already thought it was like overly TikTok brain, just like it.
SPEAKER_02I don't know, maybe it just felt like nothing of substance. I don't know. Like like the baby when they turned when they turned into babies, I thought I would really like that sequence, but like I just I I wasn't I wasn't I wasn't locked in, didn't care for it.
SPEAKER_05Like, I don't know, maybe for me it's because like every music cue, so many East like there is so so much, the more that you know. I think that's part of it.
SPEAKER_02That's fair, that's fair. Um, and I I got a couple more things, but I don't want to dive into too much because uh I know that we have a lot to talk about. Uh Aiden mentioned uh combating my my assessment of season two of the boys. Um but I don't know if we'll have time for that. Uh if we if we do, I'm I'm ready. Uh trust me, I'm ready. That that that season sucks. But uh I I uh skimmed through season four in the build-up to season five. Uh and I gotta I I I'm gonna push back on what you said about Huey, because like I don't I didn't I meant to go back and what rewatch what you said about Huey uh in it like the the him being like a a little bitch or something like that in to to to uh in the in the earlier half of the season, especially the stuff with his mom. I push back on that heavily. I think to to his mom, he was standing up to her. He was like, get the fuck out of here. Like I like he, I don't know. He he was like, he he he meant what he was saying to his mom, and he was he was not backing down. Um but overall season four, like uh after skimming through it, I again I didn't do like a full rewatch. I literally just went through every episode and skimmed and watched the the parts that I wanted to watch. Because like I forgot that Ashley injected herself with V. Uh, which I also that that's a little thing that I don't necessarily like. Uh like I I feel like they didn't am I wrong in saying that they that they said if you're oh if you're older and you inject yourself with V, you're gonna die? Or was did they say it was a sometimes thing?
SPEAKER_05Because like I think it's like a higher risk thing.
SPEAKER_02Okay, it's just so so like it's possible, but it's much higher risk. Okay, then then I then I guess that's fine.
SPEAKER_05I don't remember a specific thing that was said about it though, but that's like why they test it on kids, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because well the the whole that I thought that was the whole point is that they give it to kids, so they are like not not not that they're not guaranteed to not die, but just a lot less like a likelihood. So I guess yeah, never mind never mind then. Um but uh I think that's it, man.
SPEAKER_07I'll I'll push like the the Huey stuff. I I more so had an issue in season four with them making him the butt of the joke again. Like, yeah, he stands up to his mom, he he stands up to his mom and he goes through everything with his dad, which I never brought up, I never talked about it again. But yeah, that stuff was really brutal, like the ending to all of that, it was very sad. Um, but when it comes to Huey and his character and how they tackled him in season four, really felt like he was the butt of the joke in a lot of instances, and they especially made him like a really bad butt of a joke in the back half of the season, in the back half, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Like they literally toyed around with this character, and dude, and the fact that Annie is mad at him after yeah, like insane. He was literally graped, and you're mad at him, like what the what?
SPEAKER_07Are we talking about there is no way ever that he would have known that it wasn't you? Like this should literally shape she literally and takes your memories. Like, what do we like? Come on, bro. The other like qualm I've had, and I've been going back and forth in my head so bad about this, and I'll touch more on it in when we talk about the boys season five. It is just how Billy does not kill Homelander in season three because he makes a choice to save Huey. And then all of season four, and maybe this isn't a Huey thing, maybe this is more of like the riders. All of season four, they barely have any conversations with each other. Huey and and Billy, they barely have any conversations. So it doesn't feel like that moment is warranted. They don't sit and talk with each other, they don't share any stories, they don't even talk about what happened. And if they do, whatnot is important enough for me to remember. So it does that that decision doesn't feel warranted. So then whenever I see Huey combating Billy on every single decision that he wants to make in terms of killing Homelander, uh Huey is there to push back on it every single time. Every single time. So then at the end of season four, spoilers for anyone that hasn't watched the boys, at the end of season four, whenever he rips Victoria Newman in half, and then Huey looks at him like, You're a monster. Like, I why are we even doing this? I can't believe, like, I can't believe like I'm even like standing with you, I don't even want to join you in any plans. I'm like, what has this show been about? Killing Homelander. Victoria Newman is literally standing by his side, helping him out through all of that. And then, yeah, she makes one decision where she's like, I didn't know he was doing camps. I'll join y'all, I'll help y'all. And Huey's like, Yeah, we should listen to her. What? Why? Why in what universe would Huey ever be like, Yeah, we should listen to her. I think we should give her a chance. And Billy goes in there, rips her apart, and then Billy's the bad guy. Like, yeah, I get it. It's like, all right, we're we're killing people now, like we're eliminating soups, and like the the scourge virus in the boys or whatever, like that that's a different conversation. I'd be willing to talk about it at that point. But I thought this entire thing was about taking down these corrupt soups, taking down Homelander. So, why does Huey push back on every single plan that comes to fruition about doing that exact thing? That's what I had an issue with in season four. I just I feel like that doesn't make sense for me, especially because Billy just saved his life instead of killing Homelander.
SPEAKER_02The reason that I buy it, uh, and and not extensively, but just the reason that I uh I can I can I can buy it to a certain degree, is uh like our Huey's arc is is very much um like he got he went to the extreme Billy side of things of hating all soups and like trying to navigate that uh like with killing translucent translucent in season one and everything like that. And he he's adapting to that world. But then like as he goes on, like he meets Annie, uh, and then he's seeing A-Train start to change a little bit, the one the the the soup who who did him the most wrong. Uh A-Train's starting to turn around and flip a little bit. So I think he's starting to understand and then he had he has Kimi Kimiko on the team. Huey is starting to understand, like, not all soups are bad, uh, and and not all stoops need to die. And so I think that Huey is learning to take like a different approach uh to depending on how I don't know, genuine the each soup seems to be as to how they want to change. Uh, and maybe part of that for for for Victoria goes into like their past relationship with before Huey knew that she was uh a soup and he was just on her campaign team. But uh I think overall Huey's arc, a lot of a lot of it anyway, is that there are there are good soups and there are bad soups and they need to be separated and they don't all need to die. Uh which I I I do think that that's a great arc for him. Uh, but I I do understand what you're saying though, with like the it seems very flippant, like especially at the beginning of season four, he was talking to Victoria and actively trying to kill her. Like he would threw a grenade in her face or whatever he did, and then uh he we watched Butcher try to shoot her in the head and didn't do anything to stop him. So and and then so to fast forward to the end, I think they have like one conversation in between there where he starts talking to her about the camps or something, uh, before they uh before she meets up with him to have the truce, and then like yeah, that that's when all that happens as you're describing. So, but that's the only way that I can kind of justify it, but I I I still see what what you're saying in that in that regard for sure.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, and and I'd I'd be willing to touch a little bit more in um uh with the whole season five stuff as we get as we get going, but sure. Um anyways, I just wanted to clear that up because yeah, I also didn't get to talk about it last time, uh, or as I was finishing up season four.
SPEAKER_11So sorry, we won't have time for season two because you know you get by.
SPEAKER_07Well, I will say, bro, the head popping stuff, I remember that being the most talked about thing ever when we were getting when we were getting ready for it. Like the head popping stuff was like big time, big deal.
SPEAKER_11Um exit in with a little bit of oh wow, Becca's trapped. Oh my gosh, yppity, yippity doo-dah, man. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_05Go ahead, Benjamin.
SPEAKER_07All right, Mr. Benjamin.
SPEAKER_05All right, I'll go quick. My wife was sick last weekend, so with her being bedridden, which is part of the reason, uh well, part of the reason stuff got shifted around, and then I couldn't do Thursday and whatever plans change, whatever. So last weekend we ended up watching uh quite a few movies, most of which I have seen before. Um, but she hadn't seen a lot of them before. So I'll start with the one that I hadn't seen, which is Crazy Stupid Love. Oh Steve Corral and Ryan Gosling. Uh good movie. I give it a three and a half uh stars, so seven out of ten. I enjoyed it. I didn't I didn't see the twist coming. If you don't know what that means, you don't know what that means, but I didn't see the twist coming, and I thought it was pretty, pretty entertaining and enjoyable. I actually like I had predictions for like what I thought was going to happen with the characters. I actually thought that we were going to learn that Ryan Gosling's character was like all talk, and that um when he ended up meeting with Emma Stone, and you know, she was the one who was wanting to partake, and he was just like, no, no, no, like do this first, do that first. I thought, like, are we gonna learn that he's actually just like an insecure guy? He's not actually just bringing these girls back to sleep with them. Like, are we actually going to like shift his character away from that? That was that was one of my thoughts, is just like, oh no, he's actually just kind of a he's kind of beta, and he just he wants he just wants to be all right to deep, all right.
SPEAKER_03He's crazy Sigma.
SPEAKER_05Uh yeah, so yeah, good movie, funny movie. I liked it. And then uh, first of the rewatches, the first Zootopia movie had to balance this out with some of the more like serious movies that we watched. So four stars, I really enjoy it. I think having seen the second one just a few months ago, I actually think they're pretty close in quality. I still like this one more, but I also give Zootopia two a four star, so both very, very good. Um, like I said, we balanced out some of those more light-hearted movies with some of the more serious films. So we watched Sinners because she has been wanting to watch Sinners for a while. My third time re-watching the movie, and it's still amazing, absolutely incredible. And her and I watched Marty Supreme, she hasn't seen one battle after another, but she did say that Michael B. Jordan deserved it, so I'm just saying uh she did enjoy it.
SPEAKER_09She she's got taste, she's got taste.
SPEAKER_05She didn't know, like, she didn't know about the twist because like she had seen the marketing for the movie when the movie was coming out a year ago. It's like if she had seen the marketing and then watched the movie, she would have anticipated the direction it was going. Since it's been such a long time, she didn't know that that's the direction we were going. So uh that was more of a surprise to her. But yeah, she enjoyed it. And then another series, another serious one which has been on uh the list for a while for her to watch is Oppenheimer, which I have had not seen since my second uh theatrical view, which was really the first time that I watched the movie, which was almost three three years ago, uh, which is crazy because that's the last time I saw you guys. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_07Um I've seen my brother, yeah.
SPEAKER_05So um, yeah, I mean, what an incredible movie. It's just one of those movies where the like I don't I don't really understand how they script and edit and actually like piece together a movie like that. It's insane because you're jumping between multiple different timelines, different scenes with conversations that actually like add context to one another. It's crazy how you can actually piece all of that together. And Killian Murphy is incredible, uh, one of the best performances in recent years, and the movie absolutely deserved all of the awards, best editing, every everything that it got, it totally, totally deserves. So incredible movie, and then the last one was actually a rewatch from just yesterday, um, just throwing on a random movie we watched, Free Guy, which I think this is probably the third or fourth time that I've seen it. Um, and I know like between like this Adam Project, Stranger Things stuff, and then Deadpool and Wolverine, I know that Sean Levy has gotten like people have viewed him in a much worse light in recent years. I like a lot of the stuff that he does. I'll just put it out there. I like the Adam Project, and then he well, I think Free Guy was the first one he did with Ryan Reynolds, but I like both of those movies. And when I heard that he was the one doing Deadpool and Wolverine, I was like, he knows how to make a movie well with Ryan Reynolds, is kind of my my thought. So I think they're fun. I don't think they're like amazing, but they're they're fun enough. So uh free guy and very, very enjoyable. I like the concept too. I think uh it just like it feels like more of a unique movie uh compared to a lot of the stuff that we get. So um very enjoyable. And then the last movie is the drama, which we'll touch on a bit later. Awesome.
SPEAKER_07I mean, um, I I hated the Adam Project. I remember that breaks my heart. Yeah, I'm sorry, man. I was a big fan of the Adam. All right, ladies and gentlemen, it is now time to get into our next segment. We will go through this pretty quickly. It is our words from the nerds box office league. Oh gosh, it's time, ladies and gentlemen. Uh first place, yeah. When did that get updated?
SPEAKER_02Today, in brother, I looked, I looked past two o'clock and it was not at that number. That is insane. It like doubled, it's updated, buddy. It's updated.
SPEAKER_10Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so it doesn't do it. Okay, it's not exactly at two o'clock. That's why I looked, I looked literally at like 2 15. That's why 2 15 my time. So 4 15 for you guys.
SPEAKER_07Oh my gosh. Uh B Woody in the lead. Mario has uh jumped up to 628 gross, which means Brandon is 354 mil in the positive with just that project, bringing his total up to 406 million for audio listeners. Brandon's winter season went as Super Mario Galaxy, which was his hit pick, and then uh Scream 7, which grossed him 100 mil positive, weathering heights 40 miles in the positive on every project except for you me and Tuscany, which just came out.
SPEAKER_02That's the only reason.
SPEAKER_07Solo Mio 15 mil positive, you mean Tuscany minus 35, which honestly, this is probably not gonna break even at all. So I don't there's some hope for us, boys. Yeah, um, so yeah, we just did our summer draft. You can watch last episode if you want to see how that shook shook uh shok out, shaken out, got shaken out, shook out. Uh, you can see how that all crumbled. Um, but yeah, so Brandon uh so far is 406 mil positive, 42A. Um, they take whatever slop A24 will not produce, and he's positive on the year so far. Um, I am in second. I'm finally seeing that black number up at the top. Uh 40 mil positive. Project Hail Mary broke even today. I think international numbers got updated here. Yes, so I'm at 250. Uh, they're saying that 300 mil is locked and that 350 is looking like the ideal, which would mean that I would gross another 100 mil. So Project Hail Mary was a great pick. Uh, I love to see that that shaped out really well for me. So Project Hail Mary looking really good. Goat minus 14 mil for me. Uh still has not broken even. And then Iron Lung got me there. Normal will probably get me down. I assume it's gonna play like good luck, have fun, don't die. So I'll probably see a minus 50 mil hit from that. But I'm leaving the winter season positive. That's all that matters. So uh from here on out, it's it's only up. And if you want to go see what I drafted for the summer, go watch last week's episode. Mr.
SPEAKER_05Ben, uh, first thing ready or not too flipped positive. Hey, yo, let's go.
SPEAKER_04That's about where it's staying. It'll probably go up, maybe maybe like four mil more.
SPEAKER_05Aiden, click click top right, click that calendar button for me real quick. Just click that calendar button for me real quick. Start scrolling. See all this red, yeah.
SPEAKER_07So here's here's what's interesting, real fast. Well, there were two movies that were not drafted by us that were positive. So continue, Ben. I thought it was more than that. Uh oh, Pillion, uh reminders of him, and Undertone. My bad. I forgot about Undertone, which gosh dude.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, that's the thing. Like, I don't know, you're supposed to pick a a random movie that's gonna gross 20 million. I don't know. You know, at some point it just is what it is. But to me, even if I break even on everything, for this season, I'm doing well. So, ready or not to flip positive. I'm gonna make a couple million, but that I don't care. I'm a couple million positive. How to make a killing is not gonna go up, that's not gonna change at all. Hoppers is definitely going to break even, if not make me a little bit of money. It's right now eyeing 400 million uh for its its end. I know that's mostly boosted by the fact that international released a little bit later compared to domestic, so that's boosting things a little bit. It's doing a little better overseas compared to here. Uh, so that's definitely at least going to break even, which is great. And then I got Lee Cronin's The Money, which is coming out just this next week. I have no clue what to expect here. I'm seeing that people think it's gonna have a smaller budget similar to some uh other recent Blumhouse movies. So I'm hoping 10 million budget, 25 million break even, just gross like 40 or 50 million. Um, and I'm seeing the early projections are saying it should make like 15 to 20 million opening weekend, and if that's the case, I'll feel pretty good about it. So, really, I'll based on my actual picks, I'll basically be like dead even because I'll be like negative 20 from how to make a killing, and I think the other ones will get me overall a positive 20. And so I'll mostly just be down because Aiden has the bomb pick on the rest of us. So um, yeah, which compared to go for it, go for it. Compared to this winter season, if I come out only being affected by the bomb pick and pretty much even on my actual draft board, I feel like that's great compared to like most of the other stuff that's happening uh this season so far. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Um, I was just gonna say the bomb pick uh with my bride, it's insane that it had a 90 mil budget and only grows 23. Like I I had a good feeling it was gonna bomb, did not expect it to bomb this hard. So I'm glad that that worked so well. Exit out of this real quick.
SPEAKER_05Click go down to me, click on supergirl. Yep, it's still, I mean, it's estimated, it's still sitting there. Um I'm I will end it all if it's a hundred mil budget. I'm just saying. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Mr. Charleston, take us away, brother.
SPEAKER_02Uh, I mean, uh, some good stuff coming from the drama for me, baby. Uh, you know, 42 mil. I'll take that. What was that thing you shared from discussing films? It's gonna make a hundred mil.
SPEAKER_07It's it's saying that it's like it's at it's gonna be at 65 mil. The numbers aren't updated, so they don't have international numbers right now, but it'll be at 65 mil by the end of the weekend, and then it's looking to eye like it might be a 100 to 130 million dollar movie, which would get you anywhere from 30 to 60 million dollar profit. Yeah, it'll be your first profitable movie.
SPEAKER_02First profit, bro. I I just feel so bad about good luck, have fun, don't die, man. Like that 40 mil is gonna be sitting there haunting me. And then you add on to the fact that uh Aiden's bomb pick is also pulling me down some. So uh, you know, I'm really dude, I'm I'm happy with this. I'm happy with send help. I think it it did better than I uh even could have imagined, which I've said before. Uh, you know, uh it's it's it's that's good. I I I I I truly cannot be upset with that number. The drama has been surprising to me, though. Like I I must just be word of mouth, man, because like that that is that is wild to me. But um I got Michael coming up here in two weeks. So uh week and a half ish. That budget went up, I think. Yeah, budget did too. Yeah, I think it did too. Yeah. Um, which I mean they did a lot of reshoots, makes sense. Um, but uh I don't know. Uh the buzz so far is pretty good, but after looking at some numbers, uh it is apparently tracking lower, uh, at least opening weekend wise, uh, than than the Devil Wears Prada 2, which is crazy to me. Uh, but I mean a lot of uh there's also a lot of a lot of talk out there that uh a lot of the sales are gonna come from walk-ups, though, from Michael. A lot of them are gonna come. It's a very walk-up review, yeah. Yeah, so um we'll see how that shakes out. Um and it like it could have a good run too. I I'd be interested to see the drop-off uh percentage coming going into to weekend number two, uh, just to see the kind of legs that the movie's gonna have going forward.
SPEAKER_07Um, yeah, well, it kind of does run in a little bit with the Devil Wars Prada 2, which I mean don't really go hand in hand audience-wise, but I would be interested to see how those start to fare out once uh Devil Wars Prada 2 comes out. I could foresee that being a problem, being a being a bit of an issue. It's gonna make me so much money. I'm so fucking happy with this, dude. Gosh, I'm so I'm like a kid in a candy store.
SPEAKER_02Uh, but you know, I I'm looking forward to my other picks. Uh, I I I feel really good about my summer picks um going into this. I I I am very happy with with all of them, with the exception of maybe hit me hard and soft, but uh we'll see.
SPEAKER_07Bro, it's it's it's gonna go crazy. Trust me. It's gonna go crazy. I think I think it'll go crazy.
SPEAKER_02I fucking hope so, man. I hope James Cameron didn't fucking just do every little in new innovation fucking thing he can think of that cost a shit ton of money.
SPEAKER_05And take a 20 mil paycheck for it. Yeah, bro.
SPEAKER_03Holy shit. But we'll see. We'll see.
SPEAKER_07All right, we got two positives, two negatives, and it's still anybody's game. Um it's it's been a fun, it's been a fun roller coaster this winter season. Now we kind of know how things are shaping out.
SPEAKER_05Yo, I was in the lead uh February twentieth.
SPEAKER_07I think because you had nothing yet tomorrow. Um yeah, um I'm excited to see how how winter starts to to shape out because um I don't know, man. It's gonna be a dog fight. It's gonna be a dog fight for sure. And then we got another draft to kind of touch on very quickly. And uh that is our Rotten Tomatoes draft.
SPEAKER_02Updated the points. Yes, sir. Uh while while Benjamin was was giving us his little spiel, uh, I updated the points. Uh Benjamin lost two points. Uh Project Hail Mary lost one. Uh, and Invincible season four lost one from both from the audience scores, I believe. Uh, bringing him down from 379 to 377. Uh Aiden had the drama come out, uh, which uh I don't are they're better scores than you were hoping, right? The the the both way better. Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_11Okay. See then there we go.
SPEAKER_02Well you're sitting yeah, you're sitting at a at a combined 157 points from that. Uh, and then you you add up that with Daredevil, and you're sitting uh you're sitting in second place right now with 342.
SPEAKER_07Uh oh, this feels so good, dude. What the heck? This feels so like foreign to me to be in the game this early on. Like uh Mickey 17 kind of already took me out because y'all's projects were just doing amazing at that point.
SPEAKER_05This guy got the seventh round Daredevil Born Again Season 2.
SPEAKER_07You know what's funny? You go back to our draft. I tell Ben Ben's like, I don't know, I might do something crazy here. And I was like, What Daredevil Born Again Season 2? And you were like, not that crazy.
SPEAKER_03Oh man, this boy, man.
SPEAKER_07That's I was right there with you though. I was like, I don't, I don't, I have no faith in it.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, no, me, me, me too. Uh, that's why I I didn't make the decision until I heard the early buzz. But uh, and then for me, third place, I'm still sitting with only one project released, and that is a night of the seven kingdoms, which has not moved at uh at 172. Oh, also uh, I believe for Aiden uh Born Again lost a couple points, I believe. Uh if I if I remember correctly, yeah, yeah. On the audience side, I think it lost a couple. Yeah. Uh lost a little bit. Oh, I thought you said it.
SPEAKER_07I thought you said it lost more recently. I was like, no way.
SPEAKER_04No, no, no. Just from just from the last update. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Just saying, doomsday might okay, buddy. All right.
SPEAKER_09I'm just saying that that that came from my time to shine. Let's calm the fuck down. My time to shine. Let's let's let's let's hold up. Let's hold up there, all right.
SPEAKER_05Best Russo Brothers movie there.
SPEAKER_02I mean, uh, truthfully though, like if we if we want to, and I don't want to dwell on it too long, but like if we want to have the conversation, and I feel like we've talked about it a little bit, um, but we haven't extensively talked about it. I feel like we've more been a little hopeless on the on the idea of the movie. With I think Ben or no, Aiden. I don't remember which one of you guys is more positive on the idea.
SPEAKER_05Well, Aiden, anytime there's new like fake leaks that are clearly AI, Aiden is grinding every time.
SPEAKER_07The weird so bad reader, it just flips back and forth. That that con those concept arts uh that wasn't AI, buddy. All right, that was legitness. And when Jams and Interest fucking shows up as Black Panther, T'Challa walks to a fucking portal because they need help with the incursions and they don't have an Illuminati there. Who's gonna be teed up? Who's gonna be glazing the shit out this movie? You I'm gonna be like I've been here day one. I remember those concept art leaks, bro. The legit ones.
SPEAKER_02What if what if this movie is actually good? What if it is another what did they say? Uh another infinity war level goodness. Like, what if that is the case here, bro? Like, truly, I feel like we've we've been looking at this as like, I mean, I think we've been open-minded about it, but uh a lot more leaning towards flop just based off of the how the Russo brothers have conducted themselves.
SPEAKER_06I've been so much more open-minded.
SPEAKER_05I think he's been the most positive, but yes, like blind. Unless I'm flipping literally right now after this news, I swear my thought has always just been like, It's Russo brothers, it's bringing back the cast that we love, it is the MCU trying to like lock in more than they have in recent years, knowing that like this needs to hit. So, like I feel like I've always said there is no world where this should be bad, but it might. So, I feel like that's more I've had faith in all the and everybody involved kind of thing.
SPEAKER_07Sure, yeah, yeah, you're definitely blazing it, but I'm still like oh well, I've been like blindless. I'm bit I've been blindly, I'm like, dude, yeah, like this could slap. This could uh there is a a very good chance that this is one of the best Marvel movies that we've ever seen. Like, I do think it's possible, and I thought it was possible.
SPEAKER_05Joe and Anthony Russo has been in your sleep, you're just saying their names like the whole entire time. I'm I'm I'm that gigalotch. She's worried about gigalot. She's actually worried about you.
SPEAKER_07I I will go back to like our Comic-Con and our talk. Like, I literally had to drag Charlie to do an episode going over those concept art leaks because I was like that hype. Like, I've been so gun ho about this movie being good and the possibility of if it's good, you know, because I just I want some blind faith, and I've even I think we've had this conversation where I'm like, dude, throw all the logistics out the window, throw everything out of here about what we've been seeing happening with this universe and whatnot. I I want to believe that this is gonna bang, and I I want to believe that this is going to not be a waste of time, and everyone saying, Oh, imagine watching Dune part three before watching or like imagine watching Doomsday instead of Dune part three, or like all of the cinephiles that have a stick up their ass about superhero movies. Throw like I've I've never been on that camp. I've always felt like there is a good chance that this movie smacks and that everybody's gonna be riding that high. And then the trailers came out, people were talking their talk and back on the hype train, and now we haven't seen any news or any trailers or nothing. People are starting to talk their shit again. As soon as they drop a fucking trailer, bro, internet's gonna go ballistic and everybody's gonna be back on the wave. It's going to happen. Like, I'm not losing hope in this in this fucking movie. I because just imagine if it is, man. What if it is?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, regardless of if the early test screenings are real or not, I doubt it is because they can't risk stuff leaking this far in advance. There's just no way that they would ever risk something like that without like crazy strict legal NDA, whatever, without any of that like as a precaution. I just don't think it's happening. Regardless, I still feel the same way that I do. Seeing that didn't make me go like, oh shoot. It might be good. Like it's still it's still the same exact thought as I had before.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I agree with that. I I uh I I have some hesitation, but we'll see we'll see where this path takes us. And I mean what do we think of like I I saw this edit the other day, and I think I I think I actually sent it to uh to Aiden um of like this is like the end of the MCU? Because like not not Doomsday itself, but this is one of the end of the uh MCU projects, like Doomsday, uh we have Spider-Man, Doomsday, and then Secret Wars, even though there's other projects lined up, but then there's like a soft reboot or a hard reboot, whatever we're looking at afterwards. Does that change based on how this movie performs, do we think? So great and it's reviewed great, and people show up to the box office and it becomes uh, let's say, the highest grossing movie of all time, do they continue down this path that the that they ideally already have planned out of a reboot, maybe if that's what if that's what it is? Or do you think that like maybe they'll shift and try to stretch things out more and and and and similar to an endgame kind of ending, which we saw have problems before.
SPEAKER_05I don't know, man. I I don't think that they can actually reboot it. I don't think that's possible. Like the problem that I see is that you have too many new characters that have barely been involved in stuff at this point, and so you're gonna run into like a problem that DC is running into at a much smaller scale, where you're like, Well, I want to keep Peacemaker as Peacemaker, and maybe I want to keep Blue Beetle or whoever, and that you're gonna start to run into problems where now you have the audience confused of like what's really canon within the universe, the old universe versus the new universe. So I think the problem is if we have a soft reboot, it's like then in my head, we can never see Florence Pugh as Yelena ever again. Like the Thunderbolts, that's it.
SPEAKER_02That was do you think that that has been a big problem for DC, though, so far? Do you think that has been a major problem?
SPEAKER_05I don't think it's been a major problem, but I think I think it the reason it hasn't been a major problem has to do with scaling. DC, the DC extended universe was a pretty like succinct what seven to ten movies total over the like ten years uh that that existed as a thing. And so like a lot of it they just like hard cut off, you know, Superman, Batman, whatever. The problem was really just like the tail end where they were only releasing like a project a year or maybe two projects a year, and so I think it's like less of a problem because they have less to work with. Whereas, like in our case, we've talked about how many post-credit scenes, characters, storylines, all of these threads that haven't been tied up. And it's like if you want a soft reboot, and in my opinion, you have to set a hard line of like we are cutting this off in order to restart. Because I think if it's if it's any sort of mesh of the two, then I think they're gonna run into some weird overlap problems and confusion and continuity, and then they're probably at some point gonna like use that as an excuse to bring more old stuff back. Like you can't you can't leave the bridge open. Um in my opinion, they should just never do a soft reboot. I don't think that Marvel Studios should ever release a new Iron Man with a new actor for Iron Man. I don't think that should ever happen.
SPEAKER_02That's correct that's a crazy statement.
SPEAKER_05I mean, under Marvel Studios that I I stand by that.
SPEAKER_02That is crazy. I mean, not we've died, we've dove into this conversation a little bit before, but like and I I don't want to add like too many extremes to it, but you're talking, are you telling me 20, 30 years from now there's uh there hasn't been an Iron Man movie since Iron Man 3, and you think that there shouldn't be a new Iron Man?
SPEAKER_05If Marvel Studios is still around and is still making phase 15 of the MCU with character new characters or characters we know, whatever it may be, they're doing a bunch of side characters, a bunch of X-Men movies, crossovers between different universes. If they're doing all of that and they're still kind of like riding strong enough, I don't think that they should ever be like, all right, let's just like redo Iron Man so that we can have Iron Man in our new MCU. I don't think they should do that. I think I even made a TikTok on this that just like yeah. 10 years from now, we're gonna have X-Men. I know that there's some people who want to see different characters from the past interact with new characters that we haven't seen yet. I don't think the solution should be oh, hey, we have the multiverse. Let's make a new Iron Man movie with a new Iron Man and then just bring him in so that we can still have Tony Stark. I am not a fan of that idea.
SPEAKER_07We we've definitely had this conversation before.
SPEAKER_05I think we have, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Last thing I I'll say, because I don't want to re-tread ground. Um so let's say Secret Wars, uh, and the thing I'm relating this to, you guys have not seen, I'm willing to bet. Uh the CW show, what they what they did, all of them, uh, they had a crisis on Infinite Earth's uh crossover event where Supergirl, Green Arrow, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, they all crossed over and they had to fight like the the monitor or the anti-monitor or something. And by the end of that, uh, they were all in separate universes. Supergirl was a separate universe from the flash. The only ones that were in the same universe was the flash and arrow. Um, technically, DC legends could like bounce around. But by the end of that, they were all in one universe, and their universes merged, and they they all lived on the same world, and they were all they could just fly over and say hi to each other, kind of thing. So let's apply that to where secret wars might leave us, right? So blending the Fantastic Fours world with maybe uh either main continuity 616, uh 616, MCU or and or I should say, actually. And or good show. Fantastic show. Uh and or the what is it, Earth 838, the the uh Doctor Strange one with uh with Professor X and everything? That world maybe not just because after everything that Wanda did, but just uh as an example, you know. Um and like because like how do we get Damson Idris as as Black Panther? Is it that sort of scenario, or is it like a time jump scenario? We don't get that. You're tripping. We got it, we're getting another T'Challa.
SPEAKER_05They would not show not saying I'm not saying we won't get that, I'm just saying that Aiden is stupid.
SPEAKER_02Oh wait, what do you think is gonna be Black Panther then?
SPEAKER_07Oh yeah, wait, what? Uh how am I stupid for saying Dams and Idris will be Black Panther?
SPEAKER_02I think he's implying that he thinks that concept art of Dams and Idris was AI or fake. He's tripping.
SPEAKER_05I'm saying Aiden thinks that we're getting that in Doomsday. Like, I don't think it's impossible. Literally was I don't think that's impossible.
SPEAKER_07Either Doomsday or Secret Wars, yeah, Dams and Idris or somebody as Tajala. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, sure.
SPEAKER_02Somebody, yeah, but not Damson? Hold on.
SPEAKER_09Yeah. Wait, hold on. So your hang up is just the okay.
SPEAKER_02Let's let's move on. Let's move on. The Broaden Tomatoes, yep. We all saw the numbers. I'm in last place, just like I'm in last place to the fucking box office one.
SPEAKER_05Um wait, just just to add insult to injury. When do we get to tell you our picks for your movie punishment?
SPEAKER_11I said whenever you whenever you want, man. I should have put a deadline on this.
SPEAKER_05Hayden, are you ready? Because I'm ready. I'll do it right now. I can you want to do it right now?
SPEAKER_07I mean, I haven't put I haven't put it in the middle of the page.
SPEAKER_02He hasn't put any thought into it.
SPEAKER_07You do do your do yours right now. I'll do mine at the end of the episode. All right. I'll I'm being nice to you. I just want you to know that like I see.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I liked your last recommendation, so yeah.
SPEAKER_05When when I said this as like a punishment, I literally said, like, we could pick any BS low budget, whatever. Like, I could pick the Velocipaster, and you just have to waste an hour. What is that? You don't know what the Velocipaster is? Oh, I yeah, I of course I do. I've seen that movie.
SPEAKER_02I've seen that movie, bro.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I have to do it.
SPEAKER_02Wait, for for uh for the chat's sake, uh I you said it, but I think I was talking over you. Uh, for any new viewers, any new listeners, um I I I made I proclaimed that I was not going to watch the Spider-Man brand new day trailer because I'm a huge Spider-Man fan, and I feel like uh I I this this idea was born after Thunderbolts last year. I felt like they showed off way too much in the trailers for that movie. And so I was like, oh, I'll go into the next Marvel movie, which is technically Fantastic Four, but I'd already seen the trailer for that. I was like, I'm not watching any trailers, I'm just gonna go into it blind. And for Spider-Man, I lasted three days, uh technically four. I lasted four days before um I saw the trailer, and I saw it in a in theaters for the first time, which is cool. But uh, and the the the stipulation was that if I were to watch that trailer, um, these both of these guys, I'd have to, I would be obligated to watch a movie that each of them recommends. So I have to I have to watch two movies, one recommendation from each of these kids.
SPEAKER_05So yeah, and there was no limit, there was nothing that was put as a stipulation. We get to pick literally whatever we want. Like I said, you are so very lucky because I'm going to be nice to you. Um, and use this as an opportunity to force you to watch something that I want you to watch, and that I think you'll want to watch, anyways, at some point, and you just haven't. You probably know what I'm about to say.
SPEAKER_04Oh, okay. Okay. You will be watching. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_05Lord of the Rings.
SPEAKER_04I knew.
SPEAKER_05I knew. And that's the first one, right? That's the first one. And I I do want to specify, and I think I've said this when we've talked about the series before, you are not to watch the extended edition on your first time through. I actually want you to watch the theatrical version because the the extended edition between like all of them adds multiple hours of content, it's a lot of extra content. Um, so just watch the theatrical version. Like HBO Max has both. You can watch standard or extended edition. Um, so Fellowship of the Ring, uh, and then you know, we'll we'll get the report back, and then maybe you'll be prompted to continue, but only after you've seen the whole story is when I would then say, like, now you could watch extended the next time you sit down and watch through it.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_07Uh I got mine. I'll be nice to you also. I'm not gonna pick a bad movie. Uh I I could have gone Babylon, I could have gone ballad of Wallace Island, but you know, I want I want you to watch something that I feel like would actually fucking hit you deep down. And um, I also want to know your thoughts on it. I don't know if you've watched this movie. If you have, I can pivot. The holdovers.
SPEAKER_02Oh no, I haven't. I've been I I do want to watch that.
SPEAKER_07I thought you were gonna say Ham name, but but yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. The holdovers. Um, because that's that's a movie that I think you would absolutely love. So I want to know your thoughts on it, and I think we've talked about trying to get you to watch it before, I have at least. Um, so I want you to watch it.
SPEAKER_05You're welcome because we this basically isn't a punishment, it's literally just like we get to pick your priority list of movies that you have to watch.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, which I'm like, I'm it's like I could be mean, but I like I need this you watched Mercy this last week, like you're welcome.
SPEAKER_08I guess good point. Yeah, good point.
SPEAKER_07First season of Attack on Titan.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, okay. That's how many that's basically how many movies in one Aiden. Yeah, I mean, you know you have a deal with this man that is on the table at any moment. Yeah, no, I try to hey two words, right?
SPEAKER_02He won't hold true. No, no, this is what's gonna happen, and I I I'm gonna start doing it, and then I'm gonna prove that I started doing it. And he's like, All right, yeah, I'll watch I'll watch Chuck in a in a year, bro. I'll watch Chuck in a year like you put off Attack on Titan.
SPEAKER_07Hey, we should we shook on it, bro. We shook on it. So um, cool. Well, we'll see whenever whenever you get to those, Charlie, and it better be next week. Uh, because because we'll be nice.
SPEAKER_05Um there's nothing else coming out this week, so like you probably have no excuses. Um not going to see normal. Never going to see normal, bro.
SPEAKER_07Kicking into our next gear, we got the drama review. Uh, we'll do a fast, speedy review for this because we got three huge shows to go over, but I figured we all watched it, so let's all get into it. Um, the drama came out last week with the release of Super Mario Galaxy. So obviously, we weren't able to watch it last week, and if we did, we weren't able to talk about it. So right now, so the drama review in three, two, one.
SPEAKER_03This is a true this is a triple thumbs up. This is a triple thumbs up. This is a triple thumbs up.
SPEAKER_07I fucking love this movie, bro.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I love it. I I love it as well. And I truthfully, for me, I'm I'm bouncing back and forth between three and a half stars and four stars. And so, like, I uh the more I think about it, the more I could go either way. So I'm I'm at a I'm at a four and a half, dude.
SPEAKER_07Like, I'm I I'm talking about I absolutely love this movie because I like the the humor. I mean, one, I was so engaged, right? And I told y'all I got an aura ring, right? So let me let me show you something real fast.
SPEAKER_10He has the stats from watching the movie, bro.
SPEAKER_07So this is today. This is today, right? The the that pink right up there at the top, that's my stress. So I had a super chill day. All like this uh little area right here is all just restore time, which means I am recovering from the day before, which is when I watched the drama. So um there's gonna be a yellow, which is activity, like that was.
SPEAKER_11What the hell was boys stressed out, stressed out about today, bruh?
SPEAKER_07I don't know. I think that was just us talking, like just being honest, um, the pink is a stress, the yellow is activity. So let's see if that focuses. So right after golf, I went and watched the drama. Holy shit, and I was just actively like heart rate out of the fucking sky that entire movie. So I was locked in from the jump. Um, this is like some of the hardest I've ever laughed watching a movie before, like genuinely so funny. But like, dude, the end, my god, like at the end, I'm like, holy shit, yeah, this is a rom-com with two like amazing actors. Of a fucking course, it's gonna have an ending that's gonna make me tear up. Like, hell yeah. Because I wasn't expecting a commentary on just relationships, you know, marriages. Like, yeah, fuck, I did some stupid shit. So did you. Like, let's just start over, right? Because what else are we gonna do? You know, we love each other.
SPEAKER_02Commentary on like, are you are you better than your worst mistake? Like, are like are you more worst mistake?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, well, and something that Brandon brought up, which I thought was really cool. He was like, her friend's biggest thing is like arguably worse because she was actively knew what she was doing.
SPEAKER_05Sorry, but I know we're just starting that character, the friend, is one of the most unlikable characters. I hate her so much, I hate her so much. Holy shit. Anytime she I lit, I didn't even want to watch the movie. Yeah, I think I would avoid watching this movie again specifically for her.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, um, but like even just uh like Brandon said, like what she did was arguably worse. So it's like, you know, you do something wrong, but you actively try to be a better person every day about that, which she did. And it's like, what does that have to say about you compared to you know, like what her friend's worst thing she ever did was? So, like uh, I think that like it's extreme. Yes, it's very extreme, you know, and that's why Charlie, I was like, I don't know if this thing is gonna get past the 50s critic-wise, because this is a ballsy swing.
SPEAKER_02Was that leak true? Because I didn't I didn't know about the leak. Yeah, that was the leak was the trying to plan a gotcha SS.
SPEAKER_07So um, it's it's very ballsy, it's very there's a lot of dark humor, lots of it, but it it's very extreme. But I think like the commentary shoot your parents. Oh, dude, I I've been quoting that all day to my wife. I'm like, shoot your parents, and then I'm gonna shoot you, and then I'm gonna shoot your husband. No, I think the hardest I laughed though was whenever she was like, um, he's like, Well, like, why did like did you uh did you leave a note or something? Did you actually do it? And it cut her, and she's like, Shout out, Sally, you're fucking dying first.
SPEAKER_09Yo, that one was crazy, bro. I literally looked at my fiance and I was like, Holy shit, holy shit, there's no way she did that.
SPEAKER_07Oh my god, fucking hilarious. I thought it was funny, and she's like, I don't know, like I just like the aesthetic of it, and then it cuts to her like videoing herself and like trying to look cool with it. It's like loving family, by the way, like just like childhood, two loving parents in her life, by the way. Um, it's so fucking funny, dude. Uh, and I I think Robert Panson and Zendea just I'm phenomenal performances, dude.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely like stellar, dude.
SPEAKER_07I I love this movie a lot, dude. I like it a lot. So I I had such a blast with this. It it exceeded all of my expectations.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'm seeing like so many, I feel like there's so many uh ways to to to take, and I I think that with the with the leak and everything, and a lot of the conversation around around this movie, there's a lot of ways to take it, take it the wrong way. And sure, like depending on who you are, maybe the comedy is like uh poorly placed and it's not uh an idea to joke around, maybe depending on who you're talking to. Um but uh which like is fair, and I I I don't even think that I could really, depending on the person, make an argument uh uh against that. But I I do think that like it is very poignant in in what it's trying to convey to you, in a it I and it doesn't not in a way that like glamorizes it in any way. Uh for I mean we've already been talking about some of it, but I guess a little bit more spoilery stuff for anybody who cares who's watching or listening. Um for example, I've seen somebody uh or I saw somebody in in in in in TikTok comments take I think what was literally said, if I remember correctly, because I watched this movie uh uh uh a week and a half ago now. Uh I think what was literally said when Charlie was asking Emma why she didn't do it, um, and he what he took from it was that she would be overshadowed because uh another shooting had already happened. But we see in the flashbacks, we see what what actually happened is that she saw how it affects people around the uh around her. She saw how it how it hurts people, how like the the damage it causes so much to the point where she's sitting there staring at one girl who was on her list, uh I uh who was like probably top of the list, and starts breaking down crying. Like it's it has nothing to do with being overshadowed. It's just the fact that she even thought that she was capable of something like this, which I think, I would think ideally that you'd would want that to be the outcome. You would like if if this was actually happening, if somebody was going to go through with this, you want that outcome to be they see the damage it causes and and and and and how to to not to pull themselves back from that and and not go through with such a a horrendous act. Like in a well, sorry, in an ideal world, this would not happen. Like people would not even plan sort of things like that. But in this situation, you'd want that to be the case. Like I I feel like you'd want them to be able to notice and realize the the the harm that it it can potentially cause and the real people that it affects. And so I think that that was so poignant, and I think that that was uh right on the money of of uh of a way to talk about this, uh, and still like with a with a sense of levity with with it as well. I I don't know. I think it's it was really well done, and I think that um a lot of like the the the issue for me just comes in with like Charlie being sort of flippant towards the end, um as to like it it almost switching on a dime as to like how he feels about it uh and towards Emma. And I I I think that I obviously I can understand it comes from the decision that he makes, uh the the the mistake that he makes, the the worst thing that he's ever done, which I I I would think is now that that act. Um but I I I guess maybe I don't know if I don't want it to sound like I needed it spoon-fed to me, but I get that I'm supposed to take that Charlie doing that realizes like, wow, that was a really messed up thing that I did. And but I'm not like a horrendous person because of it. Like I'm not super mentally messed up. It was a moment of weakness in a way, is with the way he looks at it. And so he can relate that to Emma. And I guess just in a movie that shows me so much of Emma's psyche back in the day, I would have liked a look into Charlie's psyche and how he handles it and how he was w wrapping his head around it rather than just seemingly flippantly changing at some point in the wedding uh w w his his his ideals on it. Uh like because like it clearly messed him up, like so much to the point where he was he completely erased his speech and didn't even like uh bother to rewrite it or or memorize it in any way. So like for for it to to bother him that much and for him to just flip it without uh so much of like a a really in-depth understanding of it from an audience perspective was a little bit uh lax for me. And that's that's kind of why I bounce back and forth between the four-star and the three and a half.
SPEAKER_07But um But my my pushback is I wonder if he had already made up his mind that he was fine with it when he goes to pants her, and after hearing her side, and after hearing, like, okay, like you joined a group, and like her talking about how I recovered from it and how I learned that what I was about to do is really horrible, and him hearing that obviously still has a couple days where he's he's still reeling from it, but whenever she's like, Are you still thinking about it? Well, like I don't know, it's just been a lot, it's been a stressful week, and they start arguing, and then he pants her because he's like, Oh, whatever, like you know, this let's you're being so serious. At that point, is when Rachel calls her, and then he meets with Rachel and he's sticking up for her. Uh, he's sticking up for I think her name's Rachel. He's sticking up for Emma, you know, and in that moment, like, yeah, he's fibbing a little bit about why she did it, but he's sticking up for her. And uh, even whenever he's talking to the girl in the wheelchair, her cousin, he walks away and he keeps playing in his mind, like, what's true love? What's true love? Is it sticking up for you? Is it um is it looking past your mistakes? All this stuff. Like, he's in his head, he's like, What is true love? What does true love mean? And I think him talking to Misha and seeing what would you do if Blake had planned uh an SS? Like, what would you do in that scenario? And the fact that she keeps saying, We'll call the cops, right? We'll call the cops, okay. But what if she's changed? Well, I mean, I don't know, that's a big red flag. And he's like, No, like you don't, you just don't get it. Like, you know, like you don't get it. That's what I took from it, is is kind of like uh I'm I'm trying to stick up for her, and I I'm trying because nobody knows her like I do, and that's what he's telling her in that scenario here in that situation. He's like, but but what if she what if they changed? What you know, what if you know that they they're never capable of anything like that again? Now Misha's like, I'd call the cops because have you seen Blake? He'd kill me. Well, Charlie doesn't have to worry about that, you know. He's like, Oh, I know that she's not gonna like murder me in my sleep, she's not gonna overpower me and kill me. But Misha's like, she sees it from that point of view. So it's hard to get somebody to relate and tell him that he's okay for forgiving her. So I think him crashing out is just like uh nobody can tell me the answer that I want to hear. So I wonder if maybe he had already forgiven her and he had already been fine with it up until the wedding, where now the biggest issue is people talking about it and oh, she's gonna find out I told somebody. But I don't think it was really like a switch on a dime, more so it got to the point where he was just like I I think it's like I think it's okay. And I think him pantsing her in that moment was him trying to be like, no, look, it's fine. Um just based on what happens after.
SPEAKER_02I don't I don't dislike that perspective. I guess just the way I read it was that he was that wasn't him accepting it in my mind, that was him trying every which way to justify it in his mind, because he loves Emma. And he wanted he wanted so desperately for for for her actions to make sense in his mind, because he wasn't there, he couldn't make sense of it. He's hearing about it all after the fact. And so I took it as maybe with the exception of talking to the cousin in the wheelchair, because I that was very much an act of like trying to save the wedding in a way, for at least from for Emma's sake, because like she has no other friends and Rachel was the was the maid of honor. And so he that conversation was purely just to try to let her convince Rachel to still be able to go. Uh but like that's why with the Misha thing specifically, uh the way he crashes out, like I feel like he was having that conversation, that line of questioning with Misha to in order to to justify his his feelings and his beliefs uh on on the on the situation. But you're right in that he was not hearing what he wanted to hear from that. He wasn't getting the justification that he wanted. And so therefore he then he crashed out. So that's why I feel that's why I personally feel like the the switch happens at some point after that. And that's why I guess but just different different interpretations. So, like well, 100% I can see where you're coming from.
SPEAKER_07Well, and I think I think what's really cool about that is that you just completely like the the flashback of her crying in front of her classmate, being like, Wow, I I it this was almost you. I didn't even interpret it as that in the first time, but hearing you say, I'm like, holy shit, like that adds so much more to that scene, um, which makes me love that scene even more. So I'm like, shit, I I love that, I love that uh train of thinking. So I didn't even take it as that whenever I I first saw it. I literally was just like, oh, they're playing as a joke, like, okay, so the only reason you didn't do it was because you didn't want to be overshadowed, and she's like, Yeah, I mean, like, I don't I don't know. Um, so like you you interpreting it that way, I'm like, oh yeah, no, I love that.
SPEAKER_05I I think that's really I definitely side more with what Charlie's saying here, especially because like from Charlie's perspective at the wedding, um, I don't feel like for because for him, if if he had truly moved on, other than of course what happened with Misha, he like everything else between him and Emma should kind of be like resolve and feel more normal, and like it it still felt like there was kind of this like tension, and and maybe that was mostly just because there was, you know, these other conversations happening and these other situations and whatnot. But it it really didn't feel like that until like to me, like everything at the wedding went to crap, everybody left, whatever. And I think it was kind of I agree with Charlie in the fact that like at some point there's a breaking point of everything going so wrong that there was a shift in perspective to just be like everything's messed up, but at some point you just have to move on because you love the person. I wouldn't have said that that was pre-wedding, I would have said that was post everything coming out and lumping kind of all of it together.
SPEAKER_02Like I would say that like maybe it's at some point when he's at the apartment by himself and like he starts dancing alone with the music. Uh for a very split second, he starts dancing alone. Uh, but like maybe like I think headcanon for me, it's not confirmed in the movie, of course, or anything, but like after the crash out and after everything falls apart and like Emma's gone and he can't get a hold of her. Uh like that's when he realizes just how much he loves her despite everything. And he hopes then like he hopes beyond hopes that like she will also come to that same realization after she finds out what he did, and so he goes to the diner and then waits waits for her just like they had originally planned.
SPEAKER_07Um, my only pushback to that is as soon as everything happens and he's talking to I is his name Michael, I'm not sure. Which also that like he grew up around guns, and he's like, I didn't grow up around guns. He's like, Yeah, you said your dad had a lot. Yeah, my dad was a cop. That's insane. Um, anyways, let's just call him Michael. And I'm not scared. He me he meets up with Michael immediately after, and is just he's like, I don't know, like I don't know if I can go through with this. I don't know if I can go through the wedding, like I don't know what to do. And then he talks to her, and obviously he still has his grudges, like he's going back and forth with everything, keeps talking to her. If he was going to save the wedding, like it, I feel like there's an argument for why not just call it off if that's truly how he feels. Because he brought it up immediately after it happened, calling off the wedding. So, why is it such a sudden change if he's still going through with the wedding? And it's not a okay. I sat down and talked with her. She even asked him, Do you still want to marry me? He's like, Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, let's still meet with our photographer, like while we talk it out. And then it gets to a point where they go through with everything and they're there at the wedding. And the big point of sorry, sorry to interrupt you.
SPEAKER_02Which conversation are you talking about the conversation he had with Michael right after that night?
SPEAKER_07Nightly after, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Okay, see, and now I took that scene, I don't think that scene was real. I took that scene as that was Emma like freaking out, freaking out about where because like I I mean, I don't know, like maybe I'm wrong. I but because like there's no there's not really any other scene where it's like uh she's imagining something that didn't happen. So like maybe again like this is just me inserting something.
SPEAKER_07He imagined he imagined a lot of like uh like they were they flashed a lot of his take on something that she had said. So it's not out of the realm of possibility.
SPEAKER_02Okay, no, yeah, that's fair. That's fair. So like that's that's how I took it. It was that because like I don't know, maybe it was just the way it was edited, too, to me, that like that was Emma waking up, she's alone, and she's just imagining he's off having this private discussion with Michael about ending this wedding wedding and running away from me and leaving me. Um and then he comes in with two cups of coffee, and then so then I was like, okay, yeah. I I for some reason I just read it immediately as like, oh, he just went to go get them coffee. So then now they can have that discussion.
SPEAKER_07What's what's crazy is I read the two cups of coffee as like I need an excuse to see like how I left or like why I left this. So I come in with two cups of coffee, like, hey, I was out getting this coffee, like, sorry, I'm late or whatever. Okay, see, I love this, bro. This is hard, bro. This is hard. We're taking it like this. I love this. I love this shit. If it if it is real, that which is how I took it in the moment. That was my thought. Was like, okay, he's already like his friend is telling him just call off the wedding. Like, I don't know, like that's that's crazy stuff. Like, let's call it off, tell my grandparents to stay home. But he still goes back home and talks to her, and then we get the whole events of the movie, which is obviously him still taking a chance on her, but just being very cautious with everything. Because that's what you do in relationships when something huge happens, and you gotta take those couple weeks to be like, all right, I don't really like you a whole lot, but you know, we're married, we gotta do this. Um, you know, I I don't know. That's that's how I took it, which is which is what fueled my thinking of sure, yeah. Uh uh, it wasn't on the spot like flipping, it was yeah, no, it was a long process of having conversations, duking it out, and then coming all coming ahead at the wedding and just being the starbook.
SPEAKER_02I also want to add what reinforced that for me a little bit was that in every subsequent conversation with Michael, uh, and uh between Michael, Charlie, and Rachel, uh, even if we just see Michael and Rachel, like Michael is very like passive in his thoughts on everything. Like, whereas in that scene, he's very much like, you're not marrying a crazy person. I'm I'm uh we're gonna cancel everything right now, and you're flying back home. Like that just seems like a very different characterization for him than than what is actually happening.
SPEAKER_07Oh, that's that's what's crazy, dude. That well, that's what I was saying. What's he married someone like Rachel? That's actually crazy. Yeah, what's uh what's also crazy is that is Emma seeing Rachel act that way, so immediately projecting that onto Michael in that memory of oh, maybe he's talking to Michael right now, and maybe Michael's acting the same way that Rachel would, when in reality, Michael's like, I don't think it's look, she had trauma, she saw her neighbor die in a car accident in front of her. I think it's fine. Um that's a good that's a good point, too. I don't know, it's a cool little like uh different interpretations of uh of everything, but I don't know. Yeah, sorry, Benjamin.
SPEAKER_02We kind of we kind of like filibuster that one.
SPEAKER_05Listen, I'm good with it because I'm I'm liking the conversation and and hearing some of the depth in the back and forth and different interpretation. I liked the movie, I gave it three and a half stars. I didn't like love, love the movie. I thought it was interesting. I gotta hop into four then if this boy gave it three and a half stars.
SPEAKER_02What does that mean? Because I like I clearly like it more than you, you know, and yeah, but we we probably rate things on it. We yeah, we great, yeah. We rate with re rate things on different scales. You're right.
SPEAKER_05I don't I like I no need to feel intimidated. Like, keep yours going on.
SPEAKER_11I ain't intimidated, my boy. I just love this movie. I love this scale.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, Charlie, Charlie, hey, all I'll say is Charlie, you're the conversation we've been having is definitely sounding like a four-star conversation. So I don't know.
SPEAKER_05I for me, Charlie, what you pointed out for the ending, that was a big point to me because you know the movie it takes its turn and and everything kind of comes to a head, and then the crazy wedding. And then when we get to the diner scene, it just uh it feels a little unresolved. Like I get that everything's resolved, which is kind of like a hey, we're just gonna like move past things and and start fresh. That's like kind of the the whole purpose of the the recurring, uh, you know, hey, you come here often, what's your name? Whatever. Like that's that's the whole purpose. Is is to try to reset and find common ground with the other person and move on from something. But like when the diner scene happened, like I I don't there's n I guess it's just because everything came to a head and came crashing down at the same time. But for me, like Emma's character, she just found out that Charlie cheated, like literally right before their wedding. And like there's nothing that happens for that except for the fact that he gets like punched in the face, and then like the next time they see each other, that's just like hey, we both made mistakes, let's move on. Even though, like, for her, her mistake was like the childhood thing that she never actually did, and not actually a bad thing. Like, really, she hasn't done many wrong things that actually take place within this specific.
SPEAKER_07She she lied to him about her being deaf, her being born deaf in a near. She lied that that wasn't.
SPEAKER_05But like, I'm just saying, I think actual actions like that compared to literally cheating like the day before your wedding, or however similar.
SPEAKER_02What I say about the cheating thing is that that, and I'm not not trying to blame Emma here, but I just think from her perspective, it's brought on because of everything that happened here. Like Charlie did that because he was so overwhelmed by everything. And not that not that I'm excusing Charlie, that's not I'm not saying that it was the right thing to do, but maybe just from her perspective, like she's if he she went to the diner and to see if he was there to like if it because that was like for her, if he's there, then I I think that he can finally understand and accept me and still love me. And then I we we can we can just start fresh because I am willing to understand, accept, and love him, despite that as well.
SPEAKER_07Right, yeah. I I fully bought in and thank you, Charlie, for taking the word because I was like, I'm gonna try to say this, but I'm gonna sound like I'm condoning cheating. So I was like, I don't know how to say it, I'm gonna let Charlie go. But I feel like I still sounded like I was condoning cheating. Yeah, yeah, you did. Uh I don't felt fine with the ending too.
SPEAKER_05So I don't disagree. It just it felt everything hit the fan, and then everything was better way too quick, in my opinion. And so I like from a from a story and an emotional perspective, I just the the ending scene didn't get me emotional at all because it just resolved immediately. And I I felt like there should have been more. Now I gotta put the hand up and be honest that I actually thought that we were gonna take a way darker turn. I thought everything was gonna go crazy with the wedding, and then we see her leave. Listen, I'll I'll just be honest about it.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, there's also the shot of the bloody wedding, or like early on in the movie, right after we find out that she was planning.
SPEAKER_05I thought that's another example of home to Louisiana, getting the gun and either doing something or doing something just off herself.
SPEAKER_07Like, I thought we were in this is here's what's crazy because for a split second, like she goes in there, like she grabs her handbag or something, or she starts to like panic. And for a split second, I thought the same thing, but then I'm like, damn, what does that say? Like, what does that say about me? Like that everybody is treating her that way. What is what does that say about me as an audience member also being like she's gonna grab like she's gonna grab a gun? Okay, how does that make me any different than Rachel, who's sitting here saying the same stuff about her? So I was like, I get for a split second I thought that, and then I was like, I'm gonna trust my girl, bro. I can't, because I'm gonna I'm gonna be just like these other people gossiping about her, and that's like holding a mirror up. So I thought about that too for a split second, and I was like, Oh damn, I don't know how I feel, kind of being nervous seeing her pace around. Like the movie's trying to instill that, but yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05I also I just gotta say, her uh when she's holding the knife and they're at their apartment and she walks over and kind of like jokes. For me, you never joke about that because accidents happen, something slips out of your hand, and all of a sudden, like not that you had bad intentions, but I don't play I don't mess around with jokes like that. I just gotta say I would still be mad about that.
SPEAKER_02Last thing I want to say, because we gotta talk about these other TV shows. Um that I I really at first I was I did not enjoy uh maybe I didn't that's not the right way to put it, but I I I just didn't find a a reasoning for the uh the DJ doing heroin. Like that was such an interesting thing to me. Uh like why what does that matter? But like when you when you actually think about it, like the movie is uh there's a lot of conflict between the two of them, uh, and and and the way that they're handling each other's stuff and like what they have going on. I think that that's a sort of way to show like how they handle conflict together, like uh them together against other things. And then we see how that evolves or devolves rather, uh as the movie goes on. So like they're both originally when they first find out they're talking about it, and they're talking about it with Michael and Rachel. Like, what do we do? Do we do we do we fire her? Do we do we uh report her or like what whatever we and then come the day before, uh after we've been through everything with these characters, and I don't know if this was this this was intentional, everything I'm saying right now, but come the day before the wedding, like, all right, we gotta fire her. Like that, like we're we we we just gotta we gotta make the call. And then Charlie tries to do it, uh, he back he but he backs down because of everything that happened before. And then Emma has to step up to be the one to do it, but she's really like just lacks. Like, I I I'm sorry, I got we but we have to do this. Like, I'm I don't know. Just I thought it was an interesting way to to to to highlight how they've changed over the story and like their their problem solving together and how that changed, but I don't know if that was intentional. Maybe I'm looking into it too much though.
SPEAKER_07So no, I definitely like that. I don't I don't hate that at all. Um yeah, man. I I said short discussion, but I love this movie so fucking much. Yeah, I could I could keep talking about it it's it's crazy. I can keep like I th I uncovered so much more too that I could even keep talking about the stuff that I didn't really know that I liked and admired so much. Hey, I dude.
SPEAKER_05I would say that I have to re-watch it to see if I appreciate it more, except Ashley exists.
SPEAKER_07So I'm um I uh that's I would definitely I definitely re-watch it just for the fucking comedy. Holy shit, it was I plan to re-watch it.
SPEAKER_08I'm sure it'll be on HBO here in a couple of I I a hundred percent.
SPEAKER_07Like the box office buddy. My um that's true. One of my favorite, you know the the meme of Jake Gyllenhaal like flashing all the guns in the camera? Yeah, from the I didn't know, like I was I was just watching TikTok. I was just scrolling on TikTok before I watched the movie, and I saw someone say, which is this is very mean. I don't like that I'm laughing at it, but someone's like, How Chud, I how Chud uh Emma was moving uh back in Chuddle. Chuddle. I was like, I was like, yeah, dude, okay, what is gonna happen in this movie?
SPEAKER_05I know we're about to transition to show talk, but like I've seen so many memes about Invincible and the boys, and even some that's like a combination of both. Everybody's using the like slowed down Myri's Miley Cyrus song, and so it's always just like this scene meanwhile, all of it, but then it's a combination between the two. It's literally like MM shirt, and then it's like Oliver's crush, and it's a crustacean, it's like a combination of both. I'm not seeing any Daredevil. Whereas I feel like for Born Again season, it's always the boys invincible. It is. I feel like for season one of Daredevil, though, I was seeing like it would be oh, some dramatic scene, and then it was like meanwhile, the Punisher, and it's the clip of Jake Jalen Hall from End of Watch with all the cuts and all.
SPEAKER_07Where are those memes? Dude, yeah, we need a lot of Daredevil ones.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, it's it's been a lot of Tardisman Invincible Daredevil memes when Daredevil's a side character in his own show, but we'll get into that later.
SPEAKER_07All right. This guy, this guy. You know what? We're getting into it now. Daredevil. Yeah, start talking, buddy. Daredevil episode four, was it? Uh Daredevil Born Again, episode four, season two just dropped, and we were gonna talk about the boys, but Charlie wants to pipe his little voice up as if we didn't get the best goddamn fucking episode of this show so far. Review in three, two, one, absolute fucking cinema. All right, all right, all right.
SPEAKER_02Listen, bro, I can I'll respect game because Matt was finally like we've we we get to follow him following the the trail to to to bullseye. I'm just gonna we're going full spoilers for this, by the way.
SPEAKER_05Everyone's seeing it.
SPEAKER_02Come on, yeah, yeah. Uh we get to see him following the trail to find bullseye, and that like that we we follow him to the to the diner, we follow him to to to the church, and like we get a little moment uh uh of Matthew talking to the to the pastor within the church. Like, dude, like it's just it's great stuff. It's like finally we're getting some Matthew stuff, you know? Um, and then we even have some relation to like the the the boxing fight is gonna be in Fog Wells, like that's crazy. I didn't even know that. I knew I knew there was gonna be a boxing fight, but I didn't know it was gonna be in Fog Wells and everything like that. But I it's very much up until this point, like uh we haven't Matt hasn't been much of a focus in in his own show. And I feel I I feel like uh for all the complaints from last season about uh and this was highlighted especially for me uh with this being like the first real mention at all this season to Matt's faith whatsoever, like that was a critique that somebody had it back in season one. There was more by this point in season one than there is now in season two. And I I I am I know that uh for everybody says that it gets even better from here on out, and I am very excited for that because episode four is phenomenal. It is phenomenal. And if this is a sign for the future, fantastic.
SPEAKER_05I've I've heard every episode from here on out gets better than the last.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so and that's that that excites me to no end, and I I just I don't I don't even in saying that Matt is a side character in his own show, I don't even necessarily mean that as an entirely bad thing because one of my complaints in season one was that the side characters were wholly uninteresting, and whole they they they they were not there for any reason other than like exposition and telling Matthew not and not to do things or to do things and yada yada yada. Uh, but this time around, like we're getting more for for Karen because Karen was was absent the entirety of season one, with the exception of two episodes. Uh, we're getting a lot more with uh Kirsten, uh Matthew's Law, even though she's not even like interacting with Matt at all, uh other than other than uh a little bit in last episode, uh episode three, even though she didn't know that was Matt.
SPEAKER_07Um Buck, bro. Buck. Yeah, holy shit, highlight.
SPEAKER_02Buck's phenomenal. He didn't know Wesley, but he's phenomenal.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I was gonna say, what was uh the guy in the original show, Wesley? Yeah, Wesley fuck. Yeah, we'll see him next week, man.
SPEAKER_07We'll see him, we'll see him next week. It's next week.
SPEAKER_02Wait, is next week? It was this episode.
SPEAKER_11I didn't know that.
SPEAKER_01In two days, in two days, what is the episode? Whoa, what what are we talking about?
SPEAKER_11Nothing, buddy. Calm down, man. Calm down. Some of us who watch the mid-season trailer would know you wouldn't understand. All right, calm it down, buddy.
SPEAKER_05Hey, do it Lord of the Rings, buddy. Keep watching your chat.
SPEAKER_02Um, but yeah, no, I uh like in saying that Matthew's been a side character in his own show, it's it's not a wholly bad thing. But I do think that there's a balance that they're missing, and but it seems like they are getting it back with this episode, and uh, I'm very uh appreciative of for that. Um but beyond that, I mean, come on, bro. That bullseye sequence, bro. I'm one of the good guys.
SPEAKER_07I'm one of the good guys, dude.
SPEAKER_02It felt like old, old Marble comedy, bro. That was like so like can I get I'll get a I'll get a banana milkshake. And then as he's fighting, he falls down right next to her. That was a that was a great milkshake, by the way. That was a great milkshake. Just I don't know, dude. And then I love I love the little like he's just looking around the room, looking at what he can grab, and then he calls the the anti-vigilante task force. I think I just saw Frank Castle enter the diner. Like, dude, I like, oh my gosh, bro! Oh my god, he has a gun.
SPEAKER_07Oh my god, he has a gun, he has a gun. So good. I've always I've always stood by the fact that he is like top five greatest cast in Marvel characters ever, bro.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like him and Kingpin are two of the top five, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_07That's cruel.
SPEAKER_02I mean, and honestly, it's not a crazy thing to say. I just I just feel like there's so many that can be in the top five for sure.
SPEAKER_07Villains, okay, but yeah, yeah, villains.
SPEAKER_05What about his performance? Like, not just casting, but his performance specifically phenomenal.
SPEAKER_07Well, I I think it's so good, even compared to like the stuff that we see in the OG show of like, oh I'm so sorry to hear that. I I bet that that affected you, or like whatever he would say, like his therapy and whatnot. Like, I think like whenever he drops down and he's like, That was a great banana shake, or whenever he tells a guy, he's like, having a dog in the diner's unsanitary. Don't worry, I'm one of the good guys. Like, I feel like that's all shining through of character development that we saw in the old show. Like, I feel like those that therapy in specific is shining through, and I love that because I've always loved his backstory, I've always loved the the character, I forget her name. Uh, I don't know, I forget her name, but the jogger that he stalks, yeah, that he stalks like just starts doing goat noises in the day. Like, I love to see that stuff shining through. So to see him kind of pulling back uh back to that so phenomenal, dude. So great.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I mean, he's gotta be top 10 villain performance of all time. Like, yeah, yeah. I I mean what's it what's what's in the conversation? You have like Heath Ledger, Willem Defoe's Green Goblin.
SPEAKER_07I I'd even say no, no, no, no, no. No, that's great, but I would say uh I wasn't pushing back.
SPEAKER_05I thought you were chirping on me.
SPEAKER_07Oh my gosh, I I forget how to pronounce the name. Is it Chikutia Wuji in uh Guardians Volume 3? Guardians 3, yeah, it might even be up there.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, it's 10% Killmonger. Uh Killmonger's great, yeah.
SPEAKER_12Will we put Josh Brolin?
SPEAKER_07Like Josh Brolin Sanos. I think he has to, yeah. Um, yeah, Homelander, like Anthony Starr. Homelander, yeah. Oh, yeah, especially. Oh, yeah, we'll get into yeah, especially these first two episodes.
SPEAKER_05Anthony Starr, he might be top five. I'll just be I'll just be right.
SPEAKER_07I don't I don't hate that. I don't hate that.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I don't hate that at all.
SPEAKER_10Huh? Bro, what who the hell is Anthony Star? Oh Anthony. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_11I'm just saying, buddy. Let's get let's get the names right. Let's get the names right.
SPEAKER_05Is there anybody else from DC that's like outside of Heath Ledger? Is there is there anything? There has to be somebody. What about I don't want him to get clipped?
SPEAKER_11What about Paul Dano as Riddler? Did we like was that was that like is that top ten worthy?
SPEAKER_05You don't get enough of top 10, I don't think.
SPEAKER_07But is top ten a conversation?
SPEAKER_05I don't think he's quite there. Hey, much better the penguin. Colin Fair.
SPEAKER_02But but like the movie though, like what performance? The the the show? The TV show with the show. The show, I I'd agree.
SPEAKER_05Like, okay, we're saying an actor with a character. Yeah, it can be across multiple projects.
SPEAKER_02Then yeah. If we're well I just I'm just wondering if there's other Marvel characters, like can we fill out the top 10 before we get to Penguin? Like, are there definitive choices before we get to Penguin?
SPEAKER_01I don't have to be an episode. I don't think so.
SPEAKER_02This might have to we have we might have to dedicate an episode to this because like the top tens of just multiple different like like heroes, top ten villains, yada yada yada, all that kind of stuff. I'm saying strictly performance, by the way.
SPEAKER_01Sure.
SPEAKER_07I I think I mean I think Wilson Bethel as bullseye is it crazy to say top five, man, performance as a villain.
SPEAKER_05I would take Colin Farrell as Penguin over Wilson Bethel really over Wilson Bethel's Bullseye.
SPEAKER_07I I would I'd take both of them the penguin show is phenomenal. I think off the top of my head right now, if I had to pick, I think I'd go with Wilson Bethel, but I don't want I don't I don't want uh get in the cup. Get in the cup, Vic. Uh man buyers. I give you the whale. I give you the whale. I can't lie.
SPEAKER_02I don't know. I don't know. That's pretty good, man. That is tough. That's tough. Maybe okay, maybe Penguin does belong in the top in the top 10. Uh I I guess definitely belongs in top 10.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I think you are tripping there.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Okay, fine.
SPEAKER_02I was just I was just trying to think of like like I don't think Ultron is better than Penguin, but like I think Ultron belongs in top 10. Like, I think old, like James Spader as Ultron is really good. Like he's really good performance-wise, really good.
SPEAKER_05I think we just at some point we gotta come and do like a draft board where we each get like five picks total and first come, first serve, snake draft back and forth, and then we're gonna kind of break down because you know, then when you draft like that, you know, if we actually all gave our top five, there's probably some overlap.
SPEAKER_07Whereas if we draft, we can kind of get some some I like a draft, I like a super villain draft. We gotta we'll have to get specific on the criteria just in terms of like best villain, best casting, best performance, but it's a fun conversation. But yeah, I love the diner sequence so much, man. And uh, I love him and Matt, like Matt kind of having to show up at the at the gym to be like, I gotta put a put a cap on this cannon, dude. It's kind of going crazy. Like, I can't have him kill kill Vanessa just for it all to happen.
SPEAKER_05Sorry, speaking of, I know we're getting into spoilers and like whatever the ending with Vanessa. Do you guys know that that was in the marketing?
SPEAKER_02Well, the him being pulled away was in the market.
SPEAKER_05There's a shot in the marketing where Kingpin like pulls down the ropes and points the gun over at Bullseye, and she's in the background. In the background, she's there, and you can see the thing sticking out.
SPEAKER_07Oh, really? I didn't see the thing in her head.
SPEAKER_05I didn't know that. Yeah, I didn't know what to see.
SPEAKER_07I think it was like she go for it, go for it.
SPEAKER_05Sorry. I think I think it was the midseason trailer, which I didn't see fully, but I saw somebody put out like the marketing guy's gotta be pissed at this.
SPEAKER_07The fact that you say you didn't see it really, like, damn. I just stay off, stay, stay off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just because I I'm kind of like feeling bad about that earlier.
SPEAKER_02No, I yeah, I shouldn't have watched that, man. I shouldn't have watched it. As soon as I finished watching it, I was like, Why the fuck did I watch this?
SPEAKER_07Well, I don't know why I didn't watch it. I saw the fucking people on Twitter posting screenshots and shit. And that's forgotten me.
SPEAKER_02I'm like, great, now I know what and also dude, discussing film outright said the posted the Jessica Jones thing I was talking about. They literally said the line that she said that gives her like I don't know, bro.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, Ben, stay clear. Um, but what I was gonna say, I don't plan to watch what I was gonna say was like I was what I was just watching the episode, right? He blocks the uh sculpture they threw. Also, somebody pointed out that Bullseye threw it knowing he was gonna block it, and that the way he threw it caused. Yeah, oh my god, so sick, anyways. He throws it, and I was like, Okay, he blocked it, whatever. And then she turns around, and out loud, I'm sitting there. Maddie's playing Animal Crossing. I'm literally sitting there. She turns around, I was like, Oh, they did it. I was like literally jaw on the floor, like screaming. She's like, What? I'm like, I that shit was crazy. What I just saw there, you have no idea. I actually couldn't believe it. Yeah, yeah. And then the watcher shit really quick. That was uh, I was gonna have that question for you guys.
SPEAKER_02Do you think that was intentional?
SPEAKER_07I knew that was intentional.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Brad Winter Bomb.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, but did you see there the reasoning for it? How when Fisk lost his Vanessa in the Spider-Veries, it all went to shit. So, like the uh that being like a so the explanation was obviously the watcher shows up before a huge key event happens because he shows up on the Genosha battle in X-Men 97. He shows up right before then because that's a huge event. Yeah, Ben wouldn't know that. That episode, one of the best episodes Marvel's ever put out. Like seriously, honestly, my dog walks some low-key season two stuff, but we'll get into that later. Um, so uh he shows up in those important moments. So him showing up there the last time we saw Fist lose his Vanessa. Now, yeah, uh, this is a conversation me and Brandon were having, and he's like, Now, obviously, do we think that they're gonna tear open the multiverse because of this? Because he has a line where she says, How many worlds do you want to take over? And he says, How many are there? And then she dies. No, come on, like okay, you're opening my mind to this a bit more.
SPEAKER_02I can't lie.
SPEAKER_07I think it's intentional, so um, I definitely do, and I Think it's a really cool touch, especially no.
SPEAKER_02I think, yeah, if it's intentional, it's really cool. It's really it is super good, and you're making me lean more towards intentional. But I won't lie, when I first saw that and I saw like I do think it was cool, it is cool how it's but like I just I mean, maybe it was like CG, but like how do you break the window in that way in such an intention, and then have the you line the shot up like that? Like, I don't know, I don't know. I I thought that it was a happy accident, and then like sure, I love Brad Winderbaum, he's brought in a lot of great Marvel television stuff. But like I I feel like he just took that opportunity, yeah, yeah. Of course, of course, my boys.
SPEAKER_07Come on, man. You know me, you know me. Yeah, I mean I think it's a hundred percent. It I it like makes it, dude. It adds like an eerie element almost. No, yeah.
SPEAKER_12When you oh you gave me that context to it, yeah, absolutely. I agree, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So because it's like it's almost like canon events, but like for kingpins instead of Spider-Man's.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, so I don't know, like what the hell happens from here, um, and how does Kingpin play into it? So yeah, um, but yeah, I like I like him in Bullseye kind of just like fleeing, just like, yo, get let's get we gotta get out of here. Um, and I'm really excited for this next episode. I won't get into like spoilers, but I think people have kind of alluded as to what they're gonna cover and what's gonna happen. Um, and I I think we're in for like some really, really good shit. Just like conversation, like talking stuff. Yeah, I need uh I need uh baby. Yeah, I'm very excited. Um other thoughts on Daredevil Born Again? Great episode, man. Fantastic stuff, man. I yeah that that two-episode drop last week really came in clutch, dude. It's like I feel like this show has hit a a stride that's like gonna be hard to talk.
SPEAKER_10I'm I'm really fucking annoyed though that there's only like we're halfway through the season. We've got no Jessica Jones yet. Like, what do we do?
SPEAKER_02I w I rewatched her whole show, rewatched her whole damn thing, and she's only gonna be in half of this damn season.
SPEAKER_05So, what you're saying is is you want Matt to be in the show less, but you complain that he's a character?
SPEAKER_02Hold on, wait, what? Who says who's who says that because Jessica's on screen, Matt can't also be on screen? You bozo. Who says that?
SPEAKER_07I'm just also what's really wrong with like just having her in the back half?
SPEAKER_11Like, what's what's inherently wrong with because man, she could have been in this whole time in the back half. She could have been in there this whole time, man. I love me some Jessica Jones, man.
SPEAKER_07It'll be fine, it'll be fine.
SPEAKER_02It's like after I I finished her, I just finished her show, and it's like I have post-show depression, but like I know I'm gonna get more of her, so I want more of it right now.
SPEAKER_07See, that's how I felt after the boys. I had some like post-the boys season four. Like, as much as I didn't really like the season, it ended so highly that I was like, God, I kind of want some more of the boys, but like not Gen V. I don't care about the world, I want more of these characters. These characters, sure, sure. That weight, that weight was uh was kind of a pain, but lo and behold, it's here. Bro waited like three years to watch the boys, yeah. Which I mean, I still have my fatigue, but it's all right. Boys season five has dropped its first time.
SPEAKER_11You just gotta get through this season, you're and you'll be fine.
SPEAKER_07I'll be fine, yeah. I mean, it's uh it's the last season, you know, so it's kind of like a stranger thing situation where you know, once we got to the final two episodes, the final episode or whatever, it's like all right, I'm kind of over this, but you know, it's the last hurrah that's been a big part of my life, so I'm here for it. So it's kind of how I'm tackling this season. Final season of the boys review in three, two, one.
SPEAKER_03Triple thumbs, baby. Triple thumbs.
SPEAKER_07Oh man.
SPEAKER_02Um I think this is uh I think this is a fantastic start to the season. Um, I think I I'm still a little bit bitter about uh I'm I'm interested to see what episode three is, uh, just because I'm I'm still bitter about the not for some reason doing the three episodes and then continuing after that. I assume that's because of the the uh cliffhanger-ish thing at the end of uh episode two. Um, but like I mean if you watch a trailer for the season, like that's not really much of a uh of a of a of a um what did I I just said the word cliffhanger. Cliffhanger. That's not really much of a cliffhanger if you've seen a single trailer for for this for this season. But uh with that being said, I mean everything that they do so far, with the exception of like why maybe they'll talk about this later in the season. Why the fuck does Annie vape now? What the she's so she's so tortured, she has to vape. Like they're they they keep like it's like they're awkwardly like showing the fact that she vapes, like they're I don't know why like they just focus on her every time she's hitting it.
SPEAKER_12I'm like, what I okay, whatever.
SPEAKER_02Uh also little tidbit Starlight.
SPEAKER_12Meanwhile, Starlight. Yeah, exactly, bro. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Uh also a little tidbit. I want to point out in my skimming of season four, uh, after after the whole stuff happens with the clone, Annie tells uh Huey, you're getting tested for everything, uh every disease known to mankind. I'm not getting uh I'm not getting shape shapeshifter syphilis. Uh and then pretty much right after that, Huey's taken and putting in into a concentration camp. Most certainly does not get tested. And then when he breaks, when he breaks out, they immediately have sex. So, like, I don't know. You got whatever he's got now. All right.
SPEAKER_05So maybe that's what she's thinking. This this was like Emma and Charlie, you know, he was in the concentration camp, they're putting everything behind them. All right, buddy.
SPEAKER_02Um keep going over. I think obviously the the the Kimiko stuff is really cool. I loved that at the end of season four. Like, that was such a a shock moment. Uh, like she finally speaks, and then like now we get to see that come to fruition. And it and it it's so good because it feels so weird, it feels so uncanny still, like listening to her talk. Uh, but she's great, she's hilarious. Uh, I think I I'm glad that she uh the actress is finally getting a chance to to to speak uh in in the show. Maybe she had did in some flashbacks or something, and I just uh for am forgetting. But uh my one quarrel with everything that happened so far, and I will be getting into spoilers for uh for for you guys chat. My one quarrel with this, and I guess I I hope Aiden left his headset on because I I I want to hear what he has to say about this too. Um I do feel like everything that happened with A-Train at the at the very end here felt a bit rushed, which is a bit of a bummer to me because of how they've handled his character up to this point. Because we go from season four, uh actually, I'll go all the way back to season three with his brother after he gets paralyzed, and then A-Train kills the guy that paralyzed him by dragging him across the street, and his brother's pissed at him for that. He's like, I wanted my kids to see him, see his mugshot on the TV. Now they're never gonna get that chance. And he kicks him out of his house. He wants nothing to do with him after that. And then cut to season four, uh, A-Train's telling his nephews all of his stories about being a hero, and none of them are true, they're all bullshit. And his brother comes up and tells him, 'You've never actually saved anybody. Like you, you don't, you don't get to talk. I told you to stay away from my kids,' that kind of thing. And granted, in season four, he ends up saving somebody, saves MM and everything like that. But then I just feel like we we never see his family again after that, his brother and and his nephews after that. And then all of a sudden we jump to I get it, I get why they're on the run. I get why he took his family with him, but we just jumped over this whole forgiveness aspect of him and it with his family, and we're just at that point now where they're talking, and he's like, sure, being on the run's a pain in the ass, but like I get to see you doing your thing, being happy. And I'm like, Okay, this is cool, this is great, but I just would like to see how we got here because all this happened off-screen, and then now A-Train's dead, and so like I still really cool the way they did it. Like, he e he could have survived if he just ran right through that girl, but but character growth, and he dodges her, and he dodges her, and he and he's a cinema, dude. It's so good, dude.
SPEAKER_05And he saved he saved Huey as well. Like, that would actually dead without him, which is crazy. But um, I I I think the reason that they rushed through it is mostly driven by the fact that it's like the final season, and they've talked about like it being so crazy and not shying away from like we're killing off characters, we're doing a lot of stuff, whatever. And so I I feel like at some point when um because they said that they actually they knew the ending of this season and kind of worked backwards with the question of like how do we get here while incorporating the stuff that we want. And so I think part of it is like you gotta tie up the loose ends, or you gotta make some choices. So, like we would either be complaining that we didn't see that development and you know care as much or understand what is happening between A Train and his family, or on the flip side, we would complain if they spend too much time on that and then we don't get to do other things. So I I I think either way, it's like you have to choose how to allot the time that you have to tie up all the loose ends with the characters and and get to the point that you want to with the finale. Sure.
SPEAKER_07And I think the biggest thing out of all of this is they should have just fucking done some of it in season four. They should have just spent some of that time there in season four.
SPEAKER_02Um, because I like like A Train is gone for like the last three episodes of season four. Yes, and like you could have shown him on the run with his family, and that development could have happened there.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, yeah. I I just I think of some of the stuff that they did cut away to in season four that could have been A Train's family, because like they did a lot with A-Train and Ashley, where A Train's like, This is our chance, like you let's go, we gotta go, which I thought was awesome. Like Ashley sitting there cheering up, think probably thinking I should have just gone with him, like I should have just left. But like A-Train was really bought in, and we got to see, we got to see a lot of that. But yeah, like his brother just comes up out of nowhere, like in episode six, I think, or like very late in the in the season, yeah, brother just comes out of nowhere, grills him, and then that's it. That's all we see until this episode. Like, I think this episode is like his death and everything is perfect if you build some of that up in season four. Because I think the way it all plays out right here is awesome. Like, yes, he's there with his family, like he finally got his happy ending, and then boom, it's all for nothing. If you build that up into like the the finale and then into the beginning of season five, dude, like I think it would have been so great, but um yeah, they just they spent their time elsewhere, um, which I also well I was gonna say, I've also heard that like speaking of spending your time elsewhere, like the the Gen V kids aren't really in this season a whole lot, but I don't know how much of that was uh a lot of rumors that I saw that are now debunked. So I will retract this.
SPEAKER_02Well, they're meant they're mentioned in episode one, not that you would know that, but they are, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Uh uh yeah, I do know yeah, Marie Moreau and that the crew.
SPEAKER_08That's that's a dumbass.
SPEAKER_07So I mean, if this comes down to the case, I know you know, bro. I watched the recap video. I watched the recap video. But he's colours, he's covered. Everything you need to know before watching basically watch Gen V, bro. I I know that uh that uh you know, dude's dad, what's his name? Photon or whatever, like shows up and just like kicks Godolkin's ass. Like it just all screamed.
SPEAKER_03What the hell are you talking about, my boy?
SPEAKER_07I don't know what the hell is this boy talking about. What's the dude's name? The the the the one that died, his dad, like starts to help the kids out and then like like kills.
SPEAKER_02Oh, the actor, the actor that died, his dad in the show. He does help them, but he he's not the reason Gadolkin dies, though. No, it's it was uh technically, I guess, but but not really.
SPEAKER_07I forget, I forget what the recap video said, but uh yeah, no, I'm gonna go.
SPEAKER_02Marie Marie Marie kills him. Marie kills him.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I yeah, I know. But wait, but like before that happened, his dad went in there and like kicked his ass a little bit. Yeah, because he can with Marie and uh Joe uh the guy that the guy girl that can switch draw, I think. Yeah, yeah. Uh I think he went in there with with them. I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_02Because his power, his power lets him not he he's not in in uh influenced by Gadolkin's power because of his telekinesis.
SPEAKER_07So yeah, bro, I'm caught up. I know I know that uh like I know everything with Kate and uh the other dude from last season, like they're good, they're good guys now.
SPEAKER_02Like yeah, but you when you watch season four and you see you see Frenchie getting taken away, you have no idea what like you don't know who those people are.
SPEAKER_07I mean, obviously, I know who they are, like I know that they're from Gen V. Like, I'm like, oh yeah, how do you know that? Because I've seen like I've seen the the advertisements for you, bro. Like I see the people, bro. I'm not sitting through that garbage fucking show, bro. I'm not season one is good.
SPEAKER_08You are you should you should. I mean, yeah, already season season two. There's no reason for this.
SPEAKER_07After this, bro, that's it. I'll watch the soldier boy spinoff.
SPEAKER_02But what I okay, honestly, even after Gen V season two being bad, I would rather watch Gen V season three than that soldier boy spinoff show.
SPEAKER_07I do not give a shit about that. I'm clipping, I'm clipping the fuck out of this when it comes out, and you start to be like, This is actually pretty good, bro. I'm not gonna lie, this is great. I'm gonna come back to this and be like, Oh, what was that she said? Fucking probably won't even honestly, I probably won't even watch it.
SPEAKER_09I probably won't even watch it.
SPEAKER_05Probably all right, we'll see. I'll I'll remember this, anyways. Back to what we were saying. If the result what the hell is Ashley's power? Sorry, what the hell is Ashley's power? She's bold.
SPEAKER_02Can she read minds actually, or is does her head just talk to her?
SPEAKER_01I I don't I have no idea.
SPEAKER_02Because, like, what the fuck? And why does that mean that she doesn't die? Like, the reason like they were they're like, oh, Ashley knows too much, we're gonna kill her. So because she has a uh head on the back of her head, how did that make her survive and not get killed by Homelander and and them for for having too much information? Like, come on, bro.
SPEAKER_07I don't know. You're asking the wrong people.
SPEAKER_02Amen. Or you're asking questions. No, these are these are questions that need to be answered. Maybe maybe it'll be answered later in the in the in the season. But it's just like these are like this is hand wavy stuff that just should not should not be hand wavy.
SPEAKER_05But it's what I just said, it's the same thing with the A-train stuff, which is the answer, some of these the answer to some of these things is that we had a bad fourth season. And so now you're not that bad. Yeah, now you have a final season where you have to rush through things or skip over parts to make it the best that you can with what you agree with. You gotta pick and choose. We're gonna get a good season, but it's gonna skip some parts to get to the good stuff. That's just how it's gonna be.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, blame season four for being dog shit, bro. Blame season four, season four though. It wasn't dog shit.
SPEAKER_12You said that you said you said the back half, you said the back half of the season is nope. I said the final two episodes. The final two episodes are good, whatever. That's included in the back half.
SPEAKER_07Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02You said the Huey, the Huey and his dad stuff is good. You said that stuff was good.
SPEAKER_07It was fine, it was fine, bro. It it it seeing his dad die. Oh, yeah, that hit kind of uh because I'm like, damn, it's his dad, he's been here since the first season. But do I like why do I give a fuck about Huey just sitting there whimpering?
SPEAKER_06Oh, dad, please, dad, please, mom, you're a bitch, dad, please, dad, please. We could have had A-Trains development, bro. We could have had some A-train character development. The fuck are we doing? Yeah, buddy.
SPEAKER_02That's how I feel about Kimiko's brother in season two, buddy. Kimiko's brother in season two. Uh uh fucking uh fucking deeps deeps fucking uh self self-help quest in season two. Um, uh Becca and and and oh my gosh, she's being held prisoner. I'm like, I don't care, I don't care about any of it. There's no like there's no development for anybody other than Homelander in season two and Billy.
SPEAKER_07Yo, I'd take a thousand season twos over here's here's trunk versus Kamala, bro. The show. Like, I don't already see that shit every fucking day. Yeah, let's make Starlighters versus Homelanders a thing. Oh my god, yeah, that'd be great for this show.
SPEAKER_02As if I like don't need any more super that was what you're describing, was literally episode one, doesn't happen a singular other time in this rest of the season.
SPEAKER_07What are you talking about?
SPEAKER_02Tell me, tell me one other time. Yeah, yeah, tell me one other time. It happens. Tell me one other time.
SPEAKER_07One other time, what happens?
SPEAKER_02The the the that the that there's starlighters versus home homeland dice or whatever the show, no, no, no, give me give me one, give me one other than episode one when he's putting starlighters in fucking camps.
SPEAKER_07That is the whole fucking thing of season four. Are you dumb? Are you that doesn't happen in season four?
SPEAKER_09That doesn't happen in season four.
SPEAKER_07It doesn't have to happen. It's set up, it's the whole fucking back arc of the show. What does he tell Victoria Newman? That happens, that happens this season. What does he tell Victoria Newman? What does he tell? Oh, you didn't know the camps were a thing. Okay, so oh, and then the oh, the president's gonna the president's gonna bow to you, homelander. He's gonna do whatever you want. Okay, cool. Yeah, let's get all the starlighters in camps. They take them to camps at the end of the season. Are we gonna be able to do that?
SPEAKER_02But no, that's my point. That that that doesn't there's no actual starlight starlighters versus homelanders uh at any point other than episode one. That's and that's what that's what you originally did.
SPEAKER_07The rally that was episode one sage where sage uh called um like kills uh shoots one of the um she throws a uh she throws a cup at him. That's episode one. Yes, it was.
SPEAKER_02Yes, it was. Buddy, I just watched it. I just watched it. It's episode one, it's literally episode one.
SPEAKER_05I'm not gonna lie, this sounds like fake news. His last name is Hernandez, lock him up.
SPEAKER_09Get him out of here.
SPEAKER_07I lit I what whether it was in episode one or not, whether it was in episode one or something. Now it's changing.
SPEAKER_09Now it's changing, huh? Now it's changing.
SPEAKER_07It's the entire premise of the fourth season.
SPEAKER_11That is actually the premise is is trying to save the president.
SPEAKER_02It's trying to save the president um from soups. But but sure, I mean uh there's a there's an element of starlighters get it and and and uh you you concentration.
SPEAKER_07You lightly skimmed through season four. How are you gonna tell me as I just watched it two weeks ago, the entire season?
SPEAKER_11How are you gonna tell me that I'm more fresh on it than you, clearly, because episode that's episode one. What you described, buddy, is episode one.
SPEAKER_05By the way, I actually agree with Aiden here. I think it was like very political.
SPEAKER_02It is the entire season is Starlighters versus I'm not I'm not hold on, I'm not disagreeing, I'm not disagreeing that it was political because the entire season is is focused on like president presidential elections and and and focusing on on getting that's what I'm saying. Victor, like okay, but that's not what you said. That's not what you said. That's not what you said. Because it was specifically, you said specifically it was Trump versus Kamala with in inside the Starlighters versus the the the Homelanders, which you you skip you skip to any fucking homelander scene where he's sitting there talking to Newman or he's sitting there talking to Sage.
SPEAKER_07He says the word Starlighters so many times. It is the whole fucking thing of the show. It happens in episode one and it ends with him putting them all in camps because they're starlighters. It is the whole arc of the show, and I'm saying I'd much rather have a season two where we just spend time with the characters, whether it's good or bad, than what we got in episode uh in season four, which is turning Homelander in uh Starlight into fucking Trump versus Kamala and Republican.
SPEAKER_02So you're you're acting like we didn't get any character stuff in season four. So we get the best A Train character stuff in season four. We get some great MM character stuff in season four, with him wanting to quit because of how it's affecting his daughter and how she's going.
SPEAKER_07And the best MM stuff, not season three? Like, are we saying that what happened in season four is better than season two?
SPEAKER_02I'll give you the best, I'll give you the best MM stuff is in season three. Best A-train stuff, no, that's season four. Hands down. Hands down that's season four. Hands down it's season four, dude. What it what about season three is so good because he he runs and kills it. Season three is him hitting rock bottom. Season three is him hitting rock bottom. That's what season three is. So like season four is his comeback tour, is the beginning of his comeback tour. So like season four is where we actually see character growth for him. Other than maybe, I guess season three in Hero Gasm, he apologizes to Huey. That's I guess the the little bit of character growth. Yeah, he kills Blue Hawk because of how it affected him and actually goes off at him about this. It affected him, it affected his family. But like he apologizes to Huey. I'll give you the Huey thing. He apologizes to Huey despite that, despite everything. Even in his apology, though, he he tries to nail Huey and say that he's a piece of shit as well. Um but hands down, season four for A-Train is that's when like he he has that moment with MM where he says, like, that I that felt better than anything I've ever done at VOT because for the first time I didn't hate myself. We never got anything like that from A-Train in any other seasons. So for you to act like there ain't no character work in season four is is is blasphemous.
SPEAKER_07And I'm not saying that there's no character work, I'm just saying that there's more of it in other seasons. Whereas this one focused on Homelander versus Starlight and making it political, two sides clashing. Like that is what the entire overarcharching story of season four is. That is what it all is. Whereas season three, I thought was a lot more entertaining, season two was a lot more entertaining, season one was great. Like uh this is the absolute lowest that the show has ever been. There is no denying that. I think season four is the absolute lowest of the show, and it a lot of it just feels like they needed to buy time to get to season five, with point being the Huey and Billy stuff that I mentioned earlier. That that huge decision at the end of season three, not touched upon at all. Like, that's character shit. Cool, character shit that's just left on the writing writing room table.
SPEAKER_11Like you see, I I already addressed the Huey and Butcher stuff, though. So for season as it pertains to season four.
SPEAKER_07But like uh in terms of making it like the decision the uh the choice that Billy makes at the end of season three, and then having them not talk to each other at all, season four, share a couple scenes with each other. Like, I don't you think them going their separate ways and then coming back to arguing in season five is a a good excuse for them?
SPEAKER_02Well, I think the butcher that we see in season of their show the butcher that we see in season five is not the same butcher that we saw at the end of season three. Um, like this this this alien soup thing inside of him.
SPEAKER_07We're not talking about season five, but I'm talking about season five.
SPEAKER_02No, but but you're no no you're I know, but you're you're saying you're you're you you mentioned season five uh as it as it pertains to to Butcher now and them like having the their they're they're at each other's throats so far in this season, right? Uh ver which is a stark contrast to him not killing Homelander in season three to to to save Huey. Um But as I said about season four uh with with with their relationship, like season four, it starts off with Huey very much like not wanting to abandon Butcher. Like he's fighting, he's fighting MM and the rest of the team want to kick Butcher off, but Huey wants to keep him on. And Butcher is devolving lower and lower uh because of like his illness and everything like that. And eventually he gets to a point where he has to fully succumb to it, and at that point he makes the decision where he that Huey just does not will not forgive him for because I mean maybe he will forgive him in the future, I guess, but just don't what are you gonna you gonna I I was just looking in episode four episode?
SPEAKER_07No, so you said it was just episode one, episode four, join host Firecracker and her celebrity guests for the live six-hour premiere as they expose Starlight's Adrena Crome parties, the episode where they pin Starlighters against uh the homelander stuff. So hey buddy, it's here here you go again.
SPEAKER_02Is that the one is that the one where they where they where they reveal that she had the she had a uh I don't think we can say the word okay that's that episode? See now is that very focused on starlighters or is that focused on Starlight herself, which would be character, which would be a character moment for her.
SPEAKER_07That is not a character moment. What what the fuck are you talking about, bro? Oh my god, oh my wrap it up, bro. Wrap it up.
SPEAKER_02Them exposing something about her like to the whole world, a very private moment for me.
SPEAKER_07You're okay, you're saying that's more of a character moment than it is Starlighters versus fucking Homelander, Homelander versus Starlight, these fucking political figures going at it.
SPEAKER_02You think it's more of a character moment than it is that I think that I would like to say that it's intended to be that way, but I will give you that maybe it didn't come off that way. I think it's intended that way, though. Yes.
SPEAKER_07Um, anyways, I brought it up just to show that it's yeah, it's more than just one fucking episode and the finale. I mean, it's literally the overarching story, and it's just like I don't know. I we went from season three. This is my fucking whole point with all this. We went from season three when they introduced Soldier Boy, whenever we had Billy and Homelander and the boys coming this close to finally killing Homelander and whatever corrupted soups were were messing with them. Um we went from that to complete 180 Homelander versus Starlight in this political war and putting citizens up against each other and putting Starlighters in camps. How did we get there from season three? Why did we get there from season three? I don't I I cannot make that make sense in my head for season four.
SPEAKER_02Season season three ends with with Newman being uh becoming vice president.
SPEAKER_07Uh uh but what does that have to do with Starlight and Starlighters and this whole fucking thing? This whole story that season four is.
SPEAKER_02And then that's also the beginning of like in season three, we see Annie go public with like her distaste for VOT. Like, I feel like it's not it's not an unnatural progression point for the story, is my is my point in saying that.
SPEAKER_07Like it after season three and after the events of season three, it just feels so out of left field to make this a whole uh Kamala versus Trump type of thing. It it just it really feels like they're like, hey, this is a topic of conversation, let's make our show about it to make it satire.
SPEAKER_02See, and I won't even push back on that. I I do think that they uh they kind of leaned a little heavier into the what they're they're they were paroding, oh my god, I can't say the word, but you know what I'm trying to say. Um but even in saying that, I just think that uh they still took the ample amount of time, with the exception of maybe Butcher, because like Butcher was very much they did a lot of they tried with Frenchie, but but that's the thing. I don't think it landed. I don't think it landed, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, like none of it trained could have easily been there, sure.
SPEAKER_02And I'll and I'll I'll agree with that. Yeah, I I think the Frenchie stuff with with the his his boyfriend and him killing his family, like nobody cared about that.
SPEAKER_07I didn't certainly did that in uh season two, I think. We already did it there. Why did we need to rehash it all? Like, why did we need to do why did we need to take it a whole nother? I don't remember. Um better than season four.
SPEAKER_05All right, buddy. Can I be honest about something?
SPEAKER_08Here we go.
SPEAKER_05I mean, I'm happy for you guys for the you know the last 10 minutes going back and forth, whatever. I I don't I don't care much about what's being talked about.
SPEAKER_03I knew that's what I knew that's what he was gonna say.
SPEAKER_05Um yeah, the semantics of like we're arguing choices. I mean, yeah, like I don't to me we've had four seasons, and like we're getting season five so far. It's like the best that they can do with the cards that they gave themselves, you know. They they could have set themselves up better, they could have dragged the show on. We're getting what we're getting, and I'm I'm happy with it so far.
SPEAKER_03Sure. Um, well, we've talked about episode one. Let's talk about episode two of season five, then.
SPEAKER_07Rock hard, baby, rock hard. Yeah, that is I mean it's fine.
SPEAKER_03What you liked episode one more?
SPEAKER_07I think so. Yeah, um, I like the premise of episode two. I mean, I do like the you know, this like trying out this anti-soup stuff, like seeing if humans can carry it. Like, I do like the premise of all of this. Um teenage kick sink was just a lot. I love the crow, like you know, I love MM and all of that. Like, I think that I think that stuff is really one out for A-Train. Yeah, I think that stuff is really hitting. I I do like how they're taking mother like MM's character this season. Um yeah, I mean, the teenage kick stuff was just a lot. I was like, oh my gosh, man.
SPEAKER_02Dude, my one thing for this season, like, since Soldier Boy's still alive, like we need to have some sort of resolution, uh satisfying resolution for MM and as it pertains to Soldier Boy. Like, you don't bring Soldier Boy back and have that mean nothing to M MM's character still. So that would be a fumble in my mind, but I'm jumping ahead, obviously. Um that was interesting to see the the the rock guy, like yeah, the the rock rock solid or whatever whatever his name is. Rock mountain?
SPEAKER_11Rock hard hard rock hard, that's his name. Okay, of course.
SPEAKER_05Why would I thought it was rock solid versus rock hard? This is the boys.
SPEAKER_02That's true. Um, I for some the maybe uh I think they called him the living mountain or something like that. I for some reason there was something about a mountain that I thought I remember them saying. Uh but I the him holding his breath thing, I don't really know why that mattered. They didn't really I guess like it was a time-wasting thing, but uh ultimately like I guess he ended up feeling safe anyway when he felt that he got that uh Soldier Boy got the the virus. Um well he just he needed to like breathe it in. That was the whole thing. No, yeah, I know, but just like what uh what was the uh it just didn't really amount to anything, I guess.
SPEAKER_05Like right, they could have just released it and then left, and at some point he would have thought.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he would have had to breathe anyway, yeah, exactly. Um but I mean uh that's that's a small thing, it doesn't really matter. Uh I do, yeah, I I agree. I like MM with the with the Crow girl and him like uh like everybody's finding humanity in in in soups, with the exception of I mean, not that Annie doesn't find humanity in soups, she just doesn't believe that her herself deserves to live, so she's willing to do anything it takes to to take out the the people that that need to be taken out, even if it means her dying. Um yeah, I think I agree episode one was better than episode two, but I mean some of the episode two stuff was was was still really good.
SPEAKER_03Um as it pertains to to Soldier Boy uh pulling up on on the three of them. Uh like I like what he said to the to the um actually no, I I can't I can't say that. Never mind. I like what he said to the teenage kicks people to go hunt them down though.
SPEAKER_02Yep, yeah. I can't I can't repeat what he said, at least for one of them, the fairy. Yeah, that's the one that made me laugh.
SPEAKER_05No, that was yeah, that was good. I is it him who he I think he was talking to Huey at some point, or somebody was talking to Hugh at some point and was just like, How are you still alive?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, I was like, that's kind of he's yeah, yeah, that's what he he says that to Hugh. Yeah, how does how does this scum like you? Oh, that's what I wanted to talk about, uh the deep, bro. And uh at the end with with Homelander, he's like, It should have been you, and he starts doing the laser eyes on him and he literally pisses himself. And like, I wonder if after like the conversation that he has with A Train in episode one, I wonder if this is like the sign for him to start to change, or like honestly, I could truly buy with just how pitiful, or I guess if you want to like Sigma in his mind, uh the deep is he could that would this changes nothing for him, like him wetting himself, pissing himself in front of the dude. He could still just very much just bend the knee and and and and keep just sucking his dick. But I don't know, I can see it going either way, and I think it's it's it's intriguing. Blow a train, deep blow a train.
SPEAKER_05Jarvis.
SPEAKER_07Stop just that.
SPEAKER_05I didn't I didn't I had nothing else to add. Uh no, uh yeah. Uh I'm I don't know. Like the deep to me is there's almost no actual like character depth to him, in my opinion. But I also like him as a character, but he's so just like he's there for the comedic relief, he's there to just like bend over for Homelander and and do Homelander's wishes or whatever. He's there for the you know a podcast with Black Noir where Black Noir's not saying anything, or the the sun tanning thing for Uranus, like that whole thing.
SPEAKER_02Repeated use it said it may give you cancer.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, so like that that's kind of what he's there for, which is fine because I don't think I don't think that he like overstays his welcome.
SPEAKER_07So more ash and completely I was gonna say, what do we think is going on with Black Noir? I'd rather talk about Black Noir than Ashley. I'm sorry. Okay. Uh what do I think is going on with Black Noir? Yeah, what's going on? Who's under there? Why is he not talking? What's um I mean, do you think it's a big deal? I saw a lot of people saying dude from Gen V might be like the Black Noir, like kind of undercover. Oh, I don't know where they were getting that from, but um, I mean it's yeah, that'd be crazy, actually. A lot of people were I saw that theory Gen V really blown. Um fuck Gen V. Um, I saw that theory like being like it was that was real popular. That was like kind of everyone's first thought. Um, obviously you have the Homelander clone, like the the comics did. Um I just didn't know if you had any or if you did one of y'all.
SPEAKER_02The they have the other the other guy that was in in the under the suit in season four, and like he he can fly and he he is narcoleptic. Uh but uh yeah, I I could truthfully I can foresee the I could see the Gen V kids taking that guy out and then putting um I forget the guy's name, but let's say Max or something. I don't fucking know. Uh which also where did that dude come from? Where did the he's the brother of the guy who died the uh in ep episode one of Gen V. Uh he's the crazy one who sees the puppets in Gen V. Sam, thank you. Uh Sam, yeah.
SPEAKER_07I could see I could see that being being something Sam under Black and White, but like I wonder why. Why did AJ?
SPEAKER_10Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sam. Like what?
SPEAKER_07Well, because I know their fucking names. Fucking tip shit. I know their fucking names. Holy shit, I watched season three.
SPEAKER_05Hey, okay. Earlier you were talking about the character who can change their gender. What's their character's name? I know it.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I don't know. It was like um, I don't know, something with a J.
SPEAKER_04I actually forget. I I'm not gonna lie, I forget their name.
SPEAKER_05I mean, Aiden's right. It does start with a J. It's Jordan. Yeah, it's Jordan.
SPEAKER_04Jordan, Jordan.
SPEAKER_07I said I said Jonathan or something earlier. Uh, anyways, why Sam? Why Sam?
SPEAKER_02Why was Sam like the big running theory whenever the episode well, he's just the most powerful, and he's the most he has the most similar power set to to that noir character. So, like, and he's I think he's the only one of the team who's invulnerable besides like Jordan and maybe Marie. No, Marie's not, she cuts herself, she's not invulnerable, but besides like Jordan.
SPEAKER_05Sam, though, I I don't see him having like within his personality, the ability to compose himself to do something like this.
SPEAKER_02That's fair, that's definitely fair. That's definitely fair. Uh I don't know. I guess he had Gen Z Gen V season two is so bad, I don't remember. Like, did he have like a character growth moment where that would that showed maybe he has a better grip on his sanity? Because, like, if that's the case, then I can buy that this being the case.
SPEAKER_05Definitely a little more locked in and learned more about himself compared to the first season.
SPEAKER_02But also with what Aiden said earlier about the Gen V characters not really being prominently in this season, which also would line up with what the showrunner Eric Kripke says he doesn't want you to have to watch the other shows for you to understand this one. Uh so like that would be a kind of a bigger move if you were to have Sam under the uh Black Noir outfit with no explanation. I'm sure we'd get an explanation if that were the case, but still, people would just be like, who the hell is this guy if they've never seen Gen V? So it's probably not the case. Uh, but yeah, I don't know why that guy's not talking then if it's not the case, because like he was talking all throughout season four, just fine. Maybe he just doesn't want to piss off Homelander. He's in he's under the same kind of thing as the deep, and like Homelander doesn't want Black Noir to talk. He wants this Black Noir, he wants to have the illusion that this Black Noir is the same one that he killed, uh, even though we that's not the case. So maybe that's that's all it's chalked up to, but uh yeah, I don't know. Well, if that's the case though, like I just feel like what was the point in bringing back or giving us another Black Noir?
SPEAKER_07Like story wise, who's this guy even from like where where is he from? Why this guy? Is he just a random soup? It's gotta be something.
SPEAKER_02The like the new the the guy for who plays him in season four in season four, yeah.
SPEAKER_07What it was have we seen him before? Because I recognize his face, but I don't know if it's from the show or something else.
SPEAKER_10I don't think it's from the show. I don't think so. I just didn't know why they picked him.
SPEAKER_02I think, yeah, I think he's just a random guy. But to get back to the Ashley stuff, the the reason I bring it up is because like I just I also have that same question of like, what's the point of this? Like, why is Ashley still hanging around in a in an environment that clearly like they will at a at a moment's notice they will kill you? And like she understands that, and she almost left with A-Train. Now she's the vice president of the United States, I guess. So like she has some power there, but she really doesn't, though. She really doesn't. She's still living her life in fear. So I just, where is this growth for Ashley coming in? Because like it's seemingly she's a very stagnant character, and I just don't understand why we're keeping her around. It just seems to add nothing but comedic levity, which the show already has an abundance of. Uh, and I I just don't I don't know. Uh not to like I think Ashley's a good character, I just think they they haven't done justice to her. That's what I mean. Like, that's why like I think she's a good character. If they had gone down these paths to like make her change and make her like, I don't know. It's just it just seems like a wash, a waste at this point. I I don't know. Interesting to see David Diggs. I thought that was kind of funny. David Diggs is like that was that was yeah, that was Aiden's pick for uh for Ben Grimm for a while, uh, for the Fantastic Four. So that was funny seeing him. That's my go, dude.
SPEAKER_07I love seeing him in this in this season. Such a pleasant, pleasant uh surprise seeing him in the trailer. I was like, holy shit, dude. What is David Diggs doing in season five of the boys? Yeah. Oh, anything else on the boys season five?
SPEAKER_03No man, I think it's a good start, but uh it's not like an amazing, amazing start.
SPEAKER_02Uh season uh episode one was really, really good, and episode two was pretty good.
SPEAKER_07Pretty good, yeah. So I'm I'm excited. Like I said at the beginning, I'm bought in. Uh, you know, I'm bought into the show. It's the final season. You know, I'm here for the ride. I'm excited for it. So um, I can't complain a whole lot. Regardless of how I felt about season four.
SPEAKER_05Alrighty, gentlemen. Can't be yawning, Aiden. It's only last show of the night.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I mean, we've I said we can't have a two hour, 50 minute episode, and we're fucking doing it again. So Invincible episode five. Review. Um last of the big three. Every episode's gonna be like this, man. We're gonna get these uh these weeks rolling out Daredevil, boys, and invincible. So uh part of that is Invincible Episode 5. So uh review in three, two, one.
SPEAKER_09Aiden's a hate's Aiden's a hater. Aiden's a fucking hater.
SPEAKER_05Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, was that one thumb?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it was one thing. It was one thumb.
SPEAKER_07I um bro. My biggest thing is when I found out that this episode was gonna be covering Nolan and Oliver waiting for Mark to heal. I really wanted that to be the focus. I wanted that to be the main focus. I wanted that to hit a lot harder, and I feel like they did a little bit with it. I feel like they could have done a lot more. Um, so it was it was good, and I liked the episode. I enjoyed it. The animation, fucking hell, man. All right, we gotta snip it. You said it, you said it with the Debbie and Nolan stuff, bro. And I like I told you, I I was talking to Brandon about this, and I said, Look, dude, you're just now bringing it up with the Debbie and Nolan stuff. I I've I've like uh when I went back to rewatch season two going into three, I like I just had to accept it for what it is. So I've never said anything about it. Like, I'll I'll talk about it when it's great, but I just what was a highlight of bad animation for you in this episode specifically, Oliver, Mark, and Nolan um coming in to save the day, mainly because it just feels so bland. Like, and I'm not like I don't know, like comics, something, man. Like they're literally just standing with like a tan background, and that's it. Like in the comics, they're like at least flying through rubble, and there's like stuff happening in their shade, and like, yeah, you know, yeah, like you're drawing it, there's a lot more attention to detail, but like I don't know. I like you can't, there's not much of an excuse to not like do something similar to that in in the show. So to just have them standing in front of a tan background and just floating right there, like no movement, like come on, man. It's just gosh, it's so bad. But I've already coped with this. I mean, whatever. I just I just assume that this is the show's norm. It's like, all right, we're gonna have bursts of like good animation, but other than that, yeah, not much for me. Yeah, I've come to terms with it as well. Yeah, my main thing though was yeah, I just wish they would have done a little bit more with Oliver and um and Nolan. I feel like that was a prime moment too. I feel like it's a I feel like I feel like it was a perfect moment to kind of dive into a lot of that uh a bit more. Uh and I love whenever Oliver finally is like, tell me about her, tell me about my mom. Like, I I want to know. And Nolan starts to get into it, but um, I don't know, most of it was just like Nolan struggling with these um caterpillars, and then Oliver would kind of be hesitant the whole episode to kind of open up to him. When I found out that we'd have like a two-month wait, a two-month time skip of Mark recovering and Oliver and Nolan kind of you know being forced to talk to each other. I was expecting like some really good shit, like you know, just conversations off the fucking wall, and it just wasn't that.
SPEAKER_05So, um dude, these leaks are poisoning your brain. Like you hear things and then you assume things. I went in not knowing anything about the episode that I was about to get, and so I don't have these expectations in my mind of what should happen.
SPEAKER_07I didn't set no fucking expectations, it's just if you have them two sitting down, if you have them sitting down together for two fucking months, and a lot of it is just time's rolling, montage, montage. That is expectations.
SPEAKER_05You literally heard that it was two months of them waiting for Mark to heal. All of a sudden, you're thinking of what that could mean. Me, I don't know how long's gonna pass, I don't know what's gonna happen. So I'm not thinking like, oh yeah, two months, we got a lot of time, we're gonna flesh some stuff out. You your expectations are set differently because of what you know. That is just true.
SPEAKER_07Whether I knew or not, I'd have the same complaints. Two months together, and we montage through most of that shit and have a couple conversations is inexcusable. Expectations or not, it's that's that's what we fucking got fed this episode.
SPEAKER_05And guess what? I thought it was great. I actually thought it was amazing, and I think if they spent the whole episode focusing on just the two of them, I think we would have completely thrown off the pacing of this season so far because yes, I want those moments absolutely just would have been the first time they've done that. The episode before started with the front half the episode before started with the front half focusing on Nolan's Apology Tour and also focusing on uh Mark, Oliver, the family, their their family dinner before going off to war. That was half of the episode. Then the other half, battle, conquest, the crazy ending. This is like the same thing, except it's Omni Man, it's Nolan and Oliver for the first half of it, and then the second half, we get back to the big war that's happening. Like, this is literally the same thing, but we're changing the emotional thing that we're spending the first half of the episode on. I think we would have thrown off the pacing of the war, the Viltrum war, completely off if we completely and only focused on Nolan and Oliver.
SPEAKER_07Well, one, I mean, they they did that with fucking the Damien Darkblood shit. They're not opposed to throwing off the pacing of the and that was that was an absolutely focus on dog shit, exactly.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, but awful episode, exactly.
SPEAKER_07Whereas you're dealing with Nolan and Oliver, there's a lot of good shit to do. I'm not saying spend the whole fucking episode there, but give me more. Like you're talking about you have Nolan's apology tour, and he meets with Debbie and he and he's like sitting at the kitchen table, or um, they're sitting at the kitchen table having dinner. That's the first half of the episode. It's like cool, man. Like, there's a there's a lot of shit happening there. We're not fucking montaging through, and we're you know, we're not just not having any conversations with. We absolutely he sits down, he sits down and has a whole conversation, has a whole conversation with uh Art or his costume dealer, has a whole conversation with Debbie, and then Debbie has a whole conversation with them. There's no fucking montages there, and then we jump into go into the war. Like, what are we talking about? That is the the second half, like that is the start of the second half of the episode.
SPEAKER_05You literally can the exact same thing you just said is is this episode, which is conversations with Oliver intermittent with other things happening, and the mind those conversations just aren't hitting.
SPEAKER_07Uh, it's just it's not what I would want. If you're telling me what am I supposed to say about that? If you're telling me that Nolan and Oliver are getting a bunch of time together, okay. What hey, first half of this episode is focusing on, or even just looking back on it, and we have two months, and most of it is spent with them just fighting these caterpillars, or you know, like the training montage, which was which I thought was cool, uh, because it adds a lot to it. But fuck, I would have liked to see some more conversations, I would have liked to see them talk a little bit more. Um, I would have liked to have a little bit more of a focus there too, split with the um uh Viltromite war and Mark showing up. Even a conversation with even a conversation there with Mark, like spend some more time with them talking to Mark about everything or Mark's thoughts on on stuff. Like, we just jump straight to hey, we have all this, boom, they all show up and assess the damage from there. Like, I would have liked to see more time of the no the uh Graysons together, dude.
SPEAKER_05But okay, and you've probably seen this meme when the Graysons pull up to the war, it's literally the Thor Ragnarok, the lean forward, the lock in. That's what it was like.
SPEAKER_07I like if you'd yeah, no, it's great, it's it's great. Like, I'm not saying that I didn't like this episode, I'm just saying I want I I care so much about Nolan and Mark and Debbie and Oliver, and I care so much about those dynamics. Or like sometimes it's hard if we if we have if we're a little bit light there, but we're heavy on Alan and Zoe, um and like the coalition, kind of just like you know, regrouping. I mean, it's cool, it's fun, it's entertaining. I don't think we've been heavy on those things at all. Regardless, I care more about the Graysons, I care more about this group and these conversations here. So, yeah, it's cool when they show up. Uh, I just literally just wish that they spent some more time with them. Like, I I wanted to hear, I want to hear Mark's side of things. I want some more conversations.
SPEAKER_05Of course, I want more time with them. And in a perfect world, we would literally permanently delete from trash the Damien Dark Blood episode in hell. 100% get that out of here, and we get more time for any of this stuff. I'm gonna be with you on that 100% of the time, but we moved past that into one of the best episodes in the show. And to me, this is like just a perfect continuation follow-up of they are finding their stride. 100%. I wish that you could take out the the fluff or the bad episodes and give us more of the stuff that we love. But guess what? We looked past that and then got peak. So I'm gonna live in the moment that we're in and actually enjoy the stuff that we do get, even though I agree that, like, yeah, they should have sacrificed some other things to give us more of the stuff that we want.
SPEAKER_07Well, I'm not even saying like the Damien Dark Blood stuff is way behind me. I'm just saying this episode, like the scenario in hand, the situation at hand, I wish was fleshed out a little bit more. Like, I still think it's a good episode. I I liked my time with this episode. I just would have liked to flush some of the more emotional side of the Nolan and Oliver stuff, and even a little bit of the Mark stuff. So I was I don't fucking hate the episode. I'll agree with close up.
SPEAKER_02I'll agree with the Mark thing that you said, Aiden, but I I think you're tripping hard about the Oliver and uh Nolan stuff, just because, like, I mean, you get the conversation with uh Oliver disclosing to Nolan about like why he's actually mad at him, and it's because he overheard him talking to Debbie about his mom. So like they they they come to a resolution with that, but then still that Oliver's not ready to talk to him yet and not ready to have those conversations with him because of a mixture of things. Um, but we get that, and that's a little bit of a little bit of character and relationship growth. Uh, then flash forward to uh sure there's a little bit of a montage, but it also uh actually no, the montage doesn't happen yet. Uh Nolan tries to break the ice with with training, uh, and and we actually see them physically try to try to train, and like we get to sit in that moment and and see Oliver try his hardest, but he's just getting fucking he's not getting hit around by by by Nolan, but he's not landing a hit on Nolan whatsoever, um, which is just I don't know, father, father-son bonding time, because we never got to, we've never seen this with the with them before. Uh, so we don't and we've also never seen Nolan do it for the first time, other than like maybe you could argue uh when he's teaching Mark how to use his powers, but it's very different setting, and also like they have they've had their relationship for so long. This is like we're watching this relationship blossom from the start. Um so then we have we have that we have that training montage thing, and then we cut back to the campfire uh after uh a little bit of a uh the montage, and Oliver wants to hear about his mom uh and and and and wants to hear about everything that what what life was like over there. Um and then Nolan tells them about that stuff, and then they realize they need to get more stuff for Mark because the pro he's not getting enough protein, he's not gonna survive. So then they go and and and try to kill more of these caterpillar things, not just for meat, but for for for protein uh that Mark can actually uh ingest and not have to chew. And there's a little character moment for for Nolan as well as Oliver, and they understand each other a little bit, with uh Nolan wants to kill the thing, and then Oliver's like, what whatever it may be, maybe he just maybe it's because he relates to it because it's like bug-like and and he he comes from like a bug-ish uh bloodline. Um, but more importantly, it was a tactical decision. Don't kill her. She can't lay more eggs if we kill her. And then Nolan, that there's another moment of learning for Nolan where he's like, You're right. Okay, uh, I I should I should restrain myself here. Um and then all of that to to help Mark. Um, but then on the walk back uh on one of their times, they're sitting there talking just talking about life with uh with Debbie and and and and and and life life on Earth and life with uh with I forget his mother's uh Oliver's actual mother's name and dress that and Oliver's talk, thank you. And all Oliver's talking about how one time back with uh Debbie or his Earth mom, he there was a there were lobsters and he got a tingly feeling. And like, I don't know, there's like there's little there's so many little moments. I just don't know how you think we didn't get enough of it. Uh like I wouldn't say I'll agree with the mark thing. I just named five, brother. I just named five in one episode.
SPEAKER_05I want to say something, and this is this is me kind of taking a step back and just like acknowledging uh a truth about Charlie and appreciation about Charlie. You are so good at remembering so many things for for somebody who consumes as much media as you do, because like I can point to how things make me feel. I could not have gone through and listed all of those specifics about the conversations between Oliver and Nolan. I couldn't have done that. See, I I don't know if it's just because of okay.
SPEAKER_02Why didn't you do it? That's five, bro. That's five. How is five not enough for you in a 40-minute episode, 45-minute episode? You're tripping, you're tripping hard. But I don't know.
SPEAKER_07I wanted to see more of the Graysons together, bro. Like, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02I'll agree with the Mark stuff. I would have liked when Mark woke up to like sit and like I want to hear what he's thinking about the Conquest thing. I want to hear what Nolan has to say about him fucking killing Conquest. Like that's just brushed over. I don't love that, sure. Um But as for the Oliver and Nolan stuff, I think this is a much needed episode for uh for a relationship between the two of them, and I think it was uh pretty well handled, uh very well handled handled, I would say. Um but yeah, I I guess it's just stuff that I that I like. I try to remember. But even then, like I I struggle with the stupid things, like I can't remember characters' names a lot of the time. You guys have to remind like I just forgot Andresa.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I just remember the stupid stuff, yeah.
SPEAKER_02That's not that's not what I meant. I mean I meant Aiden remembers the stupid stuff. He's the one that reminded me of Andresa. So um uh I you know, I I wanted to get your guys' thoughts on this. Uh I have I'll tell you my original thoughts on it, and I was talking to a co-worker about it, and I've since changed, but I want to hear, I'm gonna try to describe it the way that I described it to the co-worker and see if you guys have the same conclusion. So the grave that Nolan digs for conquest and puts him in it, what do you think the other two headstones are for?
SPEAKER_07I think it's to show Viltrum, like the shadow casted Viltrum's the Viltrum logo. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Did you think that thing same thing, Benjamin?
SPEAKER_05I actually didn't really think about it, to be honest.
SPEAKER_02Really?
SPEAKER_05No, I like I didn't think about a a further significance other than what he what he said to Oliver about even conquest deserves a grave. Yeah, deserves a grave.
SPEAKER_02See, yeah, I I looked at it as uh three graves, uh like just three headstones, and then only he only placed conquest in one, and he had plans for the other one. I was like, what the hell? He planning on burying Thrag, and then who else? Himself. Uh, but then I when I talked to my co-worker, my co-worker said that about the the the Viltram logo, uh Viltramite logo, and I was like, Oh shit, I'm stupid. I am dumb. Holy cow. Uh but yeah, I think that I think that's what it is, is the Viltramite logo thing.
SPEAKER_07So yeah, there's a shot that the sun is like setting and it the shadow casts it in a way that shows the I didn't even see that.
SPEAKER_02Um Thrag, you're on fraud watch, buddy. I'm sorry, you're on fraud watch, pal. Nah, nah, man. Nah, it needs to be said.
SPEAKER_12Just wait.
SPEAKER_07Needs to be said, but you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna this boy's on fraud watch. He's on you're gonna walk your fucking words back.
SPEAKER_02You're well, there's a reason I'm saying he's on fraud watch.
SPEAKER_07I'm not saying he is a fraud, he's on fraud watch, but I think you're jumping the gun even there, brother.
SPEAKER_05But Aiden knows the next two episodes already, so and he's got his expectations set, bro.
SPEAKER_07So if Thrag doesn't meet him, even if I didn't, bro, like just I mean, trailer and and how they're building him up. It's like you you'd be dumb not to expect like this motherfucker Conquest is bowing down to him. The fuck do we mean we're not taking him serious? Like, sure, what do we mean he's on Fraud Watch?
SPEAKER_02Like, what do I mean, brother? His ship was blown up with him standing inside of it, and he fucking he took that shit like the good little bitch he is, bro. Flew a fuck flew the fuck away, doesn't do anything, doesn't even throw a fucking punch at all. The fuck are we talking about, bro? Like, that's that's ridiculous.
SPEAKER_05You have to contrast contrast that with Thaetus. Where is the betrayer here?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, bro, doesn't stand down, bro. Bro is on go mode, man.
SPEAKER_07Oh my god, I can't fucking wait. I'm so glad this episode comes out in here in a couple days. I cannot fucking wait. Y'all are gonna look like fucking fools, bro. Oh my god. Don't ever get it.
SPEAKER_02It's not even no, it's literally, it's not even like it's not even as much as you're no, no, no, no. It's not even as much as you're trying to make it out to be. Just because literally, they're just they're set, they've been setting Thrag up, but all Thrag is doing is sitting there, he's not doing anything. And you're it's not an unreasonable thing for for for me to be saying what I'm saying right now. No, you're just you're you're just locked in for the for the potential expectation of it all, buddy.
SPEAKER_07No, jumping in it's not an expectation, it's a no-in, bro.
SPEAKER_05Like, I'm basing our thoughts. We're basing our thoughts off of what the show has actually shown us.
SPEAKER_07You're basically um off of what will happen. You not fucking you not looking at spoilers, bro, does fucking nothing, bro. Like, it doesn't fucking matter. Like, I I I know what the fuck is gonna happen. Cool, so what? I knew what the fuck was gonna happen the whole conquest episode, still felt great about it, still was pleasantly surprised, still saying it was the best episode. I knew everything, it doesn't fucking change nothing. Like, you're acting like I measly walked through this entire show not knowing. I'll watch a video and see what happens next week. Cool, I just want to see it animated. It doesn't fucking change a thing. Like, I I know I know how thrag is coming. Like, this is uh uh yeah.
SPEAKER_02See, okay, I didn't even pay attention to that. Um well no, and you know that I know what uh happens with Thrag too, but I'm just saying that like as of right now, Thrag, like there was no I I don't think there's any fucking reason uh based off of what I know about Thrag. It's it's the same same problem I had with uh the similar problem that I had with Cecil not putting the the disruptor device in in Conquest's head. Like I know what Thrag is capable of and there are currently four or five other Viltromites on that planet right now you could all easily easily wipe out the the coalition's biggest players right then and there. You can do it right then and there, and you're not doing it. I like I just don't it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make sense. That's why he's on Fraud Watch.
SPEAKER_07Um yeah, I mean there's nothing like directly, I mean, at least that I know of, that explains why he um did anything, but um like just looking at like what other people's thoughts are, I mean, yeah, it literally just seems like he didn't want to risk losing any more Vilcher Mite lives, so he just decided to be like, all right, we either fight and lose and risk losing more soldiers, or we regroup and retreat and just kind of think this out. See, and whereas I and I think I think that's why, like, because I've seen a lot of discussion how people don't like Lee Pace's voice as Thrag. Oh, well, like I wanted a commanding, like deep voice, like I'm fixing Thrag's voice. And it's like, I don't think Thrag is to be taken as this like conquest type of figure, like uh the shit Charlie knows. Yeah, we know how Thrag is moving, but he's he's not like he's smart, like he's calculated, he's not. Gonna rush into battle to lose some like if he knows it. Mark Omni Man and like Alan might have a chance at fucking them up and Zoe too. Uh Tadis. What's Zoe doing? Sorry. Don't disrespect tech jacket. Don't disrespect it. She took out one of the fucking marks, bro. She's on front one of them. She took out one of the marks.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that was a year ago, though. She's on Froad Watch 2, Hikey. She's Hike on Frod Watch.
SPEAKER_05She's either getting killed or she's getting Alan killed.
SPEAKER_02Like, there's no Alan's on FrodWatch 2, brother. What the fuck is he doing? Oh my gosh, man. Kick some shit in high gear, brother. It's crazy.
SPEAKER_07Anyway, so yeah, I uh I don't know. I don't know if it's so much as like we're hyping Thrag. Uh Brandon brought up a good point. He's like, I think people's expect like I think people just had too big of an expectation for Thrag and who Thrag is, to where you see you hear his voice or you see him retreat, and you're like, oh come on, bro. Like that's pussy shit. Where it's like, no, I mean, like, yeah, we saw Conquest not really give a fuck. We saw how crazy Conquest Conquest was, where it's like Thrag is I don't know, more calculated, more um, but but see, we say that, but then he does this dumbass move to go attack the most guarded planet in the coalition.
SPEAKER_02Like, I just don't know. Like, how can we say he's calculating when his commander is telling him that it's a bad idea, and he's like, shut the fuck up, buddy. You're my lackey. Get get to work, pal. Like, I just don't know how we can say he's calculated when he's not when he's doing stuff like that. I think though I wanna I wanna be completely transparent though. The reason I think that he ran away is is one for saving Viltramite lives, sure, but also like he has Argyll's skull and he doesn't want to like he doesn't want that to break. I'm sure that he cares about that a lot.
SPEAKER_07And I think also just like drawing them to Viltram, where they think that they'll be able to catch him off guard and have an upper hand, uh, where he has a whole fucking army of Viltramites just kind of chilling there on the planet. And so they they pull up to Viltrum thinking that you know let's let's attack them there, let's stop them there. And he's like, all right, they're gonna come right to our they're gonna play right into our trap. Um I think is another uh is easily another reason why him retreating right there could make sense. Maybe perhaps fantastic.
SPEAKER_05I would take this over the boys' episodes.
SPEAKER_04Both of them?
SPEAKER_05I would well like individually.
SPEAKER_07Aiden, what the fuck did you just say? Bro, I like the fucking episode. I don't know why we're acting like one thumbs up.
SPEAKER_12You gave the boys, didn't you give the boys absolute cinema? No, we all gave Daredevil absolute cinema. What did you give the boys? Two.
SPEAKER_02You okay, so you get two thumbs up, but thumbs up for each episode.
unknownAll right.
SPEAKER_07Because I thought both episodes were fine. I thought I thought episode one was really good. I'd still take the the stride that we're on with Invincible, I'd still take it over the boys.
SPEAKER_05The ranking is clearly Daredevil, Invincible, the boys one, the boys two. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, I'd agree.
SPEAKER_08I might put it's a toss-up between Invincible and Daredevil for me as number one, but fair. But uh sure. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's not okay, buddy. You're you you think that that they need to have 20 conversations in one episode for it to be good character development. Shut up, buddy. All right, holy shit.
SPEAKER_07They need to fucking they need they need to see. No, okay. I agree with the marketing. I agree with the marketing. We love that slop. That's great, character.
SPEAKER_09Hold on. You said you love that slop. You literally said you love when they pull up. You said you like that shit. You so shut up. All right, you said you like that shit.
SPEAKER_07Bro, and I said that I like the Viltramide shit. We're acting like I fucking hated this episode. I'm waiting. You can don't call it slop then. Don't call it sloping if you like it. I think it's slop to not have a single fucking conversation there with Mark, other than him talking to Oliver and then a couple things he said to Nolan. I agree. I agree. You fucking agree too. Boom. I agree with the Mark video.
SPEAKER_02Thank you. But you're also No, don't say boom, because you're not acknowledging the con the great conversations that were to be had with Oliver and Nolan. You're brushing those away and acting like we like that was not. You simply chalked it up. No, no, no, no, no. No, you said you said that the one conversation that was good was when he asked about to hear about his mother, and then you chalked up the rest of it to a fucking montage. No, that's not what happened.
SPEAKER_07Not what bits and pieces, and then a montage, and that was a great conversation. One and more. Yeah, the rest of the stuff didn't hit for me like it hit for you. I wanted a little bit more. Sue me, put me in fucking cuffs and take me to jail. Like, what the fuck is so wrong about what I said?
SPEAKER_02Holy shit. Brother, brother wants hour and a half long episodes every fucking time. Let's go, man. I want that too. I want that too.
SPEAKER_07But no, I know they gotta they gotta spend all their uh animation money on fucking voice actors. So, you know, I just it's fine. I know we'll never get to that point. It's not in the budget.
SPEAKER_04It should be, it's Amazon.
SPEAKER_07I mean, come on, come on, bro.
SPEAKER_02We need yearly invincible, and that too, because people want yearly well. So you are you saying that you would you you would wait two years for a season and be fine with that?
SPEAKER_05No, I wouldn't.
SPEAKER_07No, I mean, um, I wish the animation was better, but if this is what we're doing, then it's like, yeah, just give me yearly invincible.
SPEAKER_05At first, I was pissed off with season two because that was that felt like such a long wait, and they did the whole split thing and whatever, and that was dumb. But ever since we went from two to three and now three to four, um I'm with it.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, yeah, it's good. I mean, the story needs it, like the the length of the story and whatnot, like it needs it, but god damn, that animation is rough sometimes. It is very rough, yeah. And this episode was uh kind of an add-on. I had it pulled up. I wish I could uh I wanted to look. I saw a lot of people talking about the beginning of the episode. Are we sorry?
SPEAKER_02I I I I keep interrupting you, but uh keep keep remember what you're saying right now because I do want to get back to that. But um, do you know? Are we getting the thing that I know about Thrag this season? It's not happening this season. I mean it happens on I thought it happens on Viltrum.
SPEAKER_06And I thought you would looking up leaks and really I thought you would know more than me.
SPEAKER_12Bro, holy fuck, man.
SPEAKER_07Get off your pedestal, bro. Fucking hell. I thought you would happen.
SPEAKER_02I thought you would know more than me. That's why I was asking you. But I don't even know.
SPEAKER_05I don't want to know what happens in like the finale.
SPEAKER_02Like no, he's he he won't tell you. He's just gonna say yes or no if it happens. It doesn't happen this season. No, okay. Dang, okay, that's interesting. I mean, my I I know events, I just don't know the timeline of them, so um yeah.
SPEAKER_07I mean, I don't think so. I mean, I just I haven't I haven't seen that in the cards, like based on what I've watched and based on things I've seen, like how the season pans out, that is not in the cards. Okay. Um something else is, and then I yeah, I have no idea where we're going then. Okay, yeah, something, and I think it's like on that level of like, oh fuck, okay, that's how thrag is coming. Like it's okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well, okay. No, there's one there is one other thrag thing that I do know, and I think I'm a hundred percent certain that that's happening this season, actually.
SPEAKER_07Um I'd be interested. You'll have to tell me. Yeah, I'll tell you that. I'll tell you that after. You'll have to tell me what it is. Um, but yeah, there is, I think there is something this next episode. I'd be shocked if it were in the finale. Um that yeah, I think is gonna like change a lot. I think Charlie, I uh cannot fucking wait to see your reaction to um well, I guess it's something that happens and that would probably happen next season. But I think the finale, I think I I was talking to Brandon and I was like, dude, if this is where we end off, like I rain, this is where we end this. This this is where we end the fucking season.
SPEAKER_02You can't wait to see my reaction to Thrag's motion. Is that what you're referring to? Like, like just the idea, dude.
SPEAKER_05We gotta work on our phrasing here. No, just with motion, dude. Just Thrag's motion. Aiden said, see how Thrag is coming.
SPEAKER_07Like, I there's just yeah, I really you're the finale, like where we leave things off.
SPEAKER_05Okay, I think it's really cool.
SPEAKER_02So dude, I mean, yeah, two episodes left, bro.
SPEAKER_05Like why are we only getting seven?
SPEAKER_02Oh, wait, uh never mind. Are we at three? We have three episodes left. I could be wrong.
SPEAKER_05We just watched five, no?
SPEAKER_02That was five? Okay, okay. Never mind then. Yeah, we're getting three. I'm tripping. We're getting three, three more. Uh are we?
SPEAKER_01That was six.
SPEAKER_02Oh, it was six. Okay, then we're on we're getting two, two more.
SPEAKER_12Bro, because of episode four being oh my gosh. Holy wow, yeah, two episodes, two episodes left, bro. Like, that's crazy.
SPEAKER_11That is wild.
SPEAKER_07That's not wild. Interesting. That's it for the words from nurse podcast. Like, comment, sub, all that fun stuff. Leave a comment, we'll read it out next week's episode. It's a long one, but I'd be surprised if anybody's even listening at this point. That was crazy.
SPEAKER_11Uh, that's why they made the feature for you to pause it and come back. We appreciate y'all.
SPEAKER_07Yeah. All right, we'll see. Well, I'll see y'all in the next one. Be adios.
SPEAKER_10Come on, Ben.
