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Daredevil Born Again Is Better Than Invincible | WFTN #138
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Daredevils second season has finally wrapped and along with Mortal Kombat 2, The Boys, and some box office updates... We will be tackling everything about this finale. Lets us know your thoughts on all of opur topics down below for us to debate next week!!
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0:00 Intro/Comments
2:00 What We Watched This Week
6:00 Charley Has Watched Attack On Titan
15:40 Box Office Draft Updates
40:30 Mortal Kombat 2 Review
1:03:50 The Boys S5 E6 Review
1:27:24 Daredevil Born Again S2 Finale
1:43:00 Best Superhero Season Ever???
1:54:30 Daredevil Finale Discussion Continued
2:04:20 Outro
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Not even give him a chance to respond. I love that. Welcome back to the Words from the Nerds podcast. Where we bring you all of our lovely wordy news, discussions, opinions, yada yada yada. Everything under the nerdy sun. Video games too, sometimes if these guys let me talk about it. And it's not some fucking Nintendo thing. Whoops. I wrote the rule. Edit that out. Um I'm joined by my two lovely co-hosts, Aiden and Benjamin. Um gentlemen, how are we doing today? Psych. I don't care. Um everybody who's new here, if you don't know, every single episode, at the beginning of every single episode, we read aloud every single comment that was placed on our last episode. Um, and last episode was a doozy for those of you who weren't around for it. Um, our longtime supporter, Mimish, uh, joined us on the podcast once again. It's been a while. It had been a while since we had him on. We always love having him on. He's always in the comments encouraging us. Just like he was again on the very episode that he starred in. Mimish said, Hey, the legends themselves. Thank you so much for having me on, you absolute legends. Mimish, thank you, man. Thank you for joining us, brother. You know we appreciate you, man. Some of us more than most, i.e. me. Um, but you know, it's neither here nor there. Uh then Memish also said, hashtag best podcast ever. You know it, baby. You know it, you know. I could say a lot of things, but uh, I'm gonna not I'm gonna refrain from saying a lot of those things. So you know it. You know it, Memish. You know we deserve it. Of course, we're up there. Uh yeah, so I guess without further ado, let's do a little tiny segment of what we've watched. I want to go last, me personally. Uh oh. Save the best, save the best for last. Um let's just go in a rotation. Uh Aiden, hit us up, man.
SPEAKER_02Oh man. Uh, what did I watch this week? Not a lot, man. I think I watched Michael again for the third time. Uh my buddy hadn't seen it, so um, I was like, uh dude, you have to. We gotta go see it. So go see it again the next time. We went and saw it. Uh, that would have been my first choice. Um, but he wanted to go to the Alamo, which is like just more for general audience. Everyone loves to go to the Alamo. So they actually also have a season pass. You pay like two dollars per movie, but you can watch up to a move a movie a day, so 30 movies in a month, all for free, uh, two dollar service fee, and that's it. So I have that in AMC. I'm probably gonna cancel that soon. But it came in clutch this week because I was able to watch um Michael and Mortal Kombat the day after. So I got to watch both of those with my buddy. Uh, just I was like, I think he'd like both these movies, you know, they're good general audience movies. So we watched those, and that was about it, man. Very uneventful. Uh, watch Daredevil and the boys. Oh, and Gary. Uh not Gary, yeah. Gary. Yeah, Gary. We gotta talk about Gary. Yeah, we gotta talk about Gary. Yeah, I have to watch Gary as well.
SPEAKER_01Gosh, I just I don't blame you because I just watched it last night, man.
SPEAKER_04So I remember like we talked about it when it first dropped, and then it kind of left my brain that, like, oh, there's there's an episode of uh of the bear to watch, and then just was busy with other things, so yeah, I kind of forgot about it to be honest.
SPEAKER_02Watch that, uh, so I'm excited to talk about that. That's about it, man. I super light this week.
SPEAKER_04Sure. I watched a couple of things. I finished Monarch Legacy of Monsters season two, which just finished coming out on Apple TV. It was alright. I don't think I liked it as much as season one. Uh and the whole kind of shtick of just like, hey, let's just keep like to some extent it's like lore, but to another extent it's excuses to just make the story keep going and branching into like different aspects of the world. So some of some of the concepts that are introduced are really cool, and others it's just like, okay, we're doing this just so we can keep telling stories within this universe, and it doesn't always feel earned. So I enjoyed it as a whole. Having Kurt Russell and Wyatt Russell play a younger and older version of the same character, genius, very, very well done. Uh, and works perfectly. Sometimes they fade transition between the two, and it's like, oh my gosh, they look they look identical. So great casting and decent season overall, definitely nothing crazy. But since I had watched season one earlier this year, I wanted to check out season two. Um I rewatched the first Mortal Kombat going into Mortal Kombat 2. Talk about that a little bit later. And yeah, other than that, Daredevil and the boys.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, cool, cool, cool, cool. Um I too re-watched Mortal Kombat uh one in preparation for Mortal Kombat 2, and yeah, we'll probably save a lot of that for the actual Mortal Kombat 2 discussion, as well as Mortal Kombat 2. I watched. And as Aiden mentioned, I watched uh the Gary uh episode of the bear. And I mean, without talking too much because Benjamin hasn't seen it, oh man. They still got it, man.
SPEAKER_02They still they still got it, they freaking got it, right?
SPEAKER_01They got it. I mean, I guess I shouldn't say still got it, because it's written by John Bernthal and Evan uh Moss Backrack. And I don't know that they've written other episodes of the show. I they maybe they have, maybe they haven't, I don't know. But this episode was great, it was phenomenal. I was crying. Uh that's all I'll say. I was crying. Um but there's one other thing that I watched. Oh no. Uh-oh. There's one other thing, and it's I mean, depending on who you talk to, it's kind of a big thing. Because somebody's gonna have to watch something because I watched it. I started Attack on Titan.
SPEAKER_00No, oh my god, no, oh my god, yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_01I'm not super far, I'm not like this, and it was all like by accident. It was all like happenstance. My my friends wanted to hang out on Friday night after I watched Mortal Kombat. I went over to one of their houses and we're all just chilling. And they've been among there, it's not just you, Aiden. Everybody, almost most people I know begged me to watch anime. I whether it be One Piece or Attack on Titan, Vinland saga, yada yada yada. Um and they they sat me down and trapped me, and they they turned on the damn show, they turned on episode one, I watched it. I was like, pretty damn good. I I I felt some type of way about that ending. I felt some type of way. And I want to, I'm interested to hear from you about this next part, because then they instantly went from episode one to Levi's backstory. I watched Levi's backstory, episode one and two. Um I guess the whole I think it's the whole thing of Levi's backstory. So I saw everything that happened with that, and that was like, holy shit. Like that was crazy. So huh. Interesting. Um, which I haven't even met Levi yet in the main show, so like I don't know why they jumped to that.
SPEAKER_02And like the way they introduce Levi and the way Levi is in the show, I don't necessarily think it's uh like I don't think them showing you his backstory necessarily hurts anything. Um man, I would even go as far as saying it might make some moments a little bit better, yeah. Um once you meet him and once you spend some time with him, and obviously as the seasons go on or whatnot. Um, that's interesting though. I I wonder why they would have done that. Maybe they think that the that you'll like just really like Levi. I know Levi, Brandon told me he was like, Levi's probably gonna be your favorite character. He's actually his English voice. Did you watch it subbed or dubbed in English? Dubbed. Dubbed. Um, his English voice actor voices Zorro in one piece. So I think Brandon was just like, I think you'll really like Levi, plus Levi's just walking aura. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I I think oh my gosh, what do you do to that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01I mean, I can spoil because Ben's never gonna watch. I could spoil it, but it's it's fine.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, um, I I I this is tough. I think Mikasa is my favorite character.
SPEAKER_01No, that dude says that's actually so funny because during the whole first episode, I was like, yo, fucking Aaron, Aaron's a little dude. Is this people's goat? Yes, he's a bitch, bro.
SPEAKER_02He's a freaking bitch. I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you right now, if you continue watching, that does not change for like the first couple seasons. Yeah, but then but like, yeah, uh Aaron, gosh, Aaron has his moments, so you gotta bear with him for a little bit. But yeah, he treats Mikasa deserves better, bro. Mikasa deserves better, anyways. I uh I absolutely love Mikasa, so I don't think um showing Levi's backstory necessarily hurts anything. I think that's actually pretty interesting. So um that's pretty cool. That's that's pretty cool.
SPEAKER_01That's what they they had that sentiment too, but I just wanted to make sure from from somebody that I could I like sad, so yeah.
SPEAKER_02Wow, Charlie's first anime. You've got a responsibility now, you gotta pull your yeah, yeah. I'll start. I'll I'll start Chuck. We'll do a weekly Chuck, Attack on Titan, whatever.
SPEAKER_05Um, so so you've it might be on Hulu Disney Plus.
SPEAKER_01Oh, is it?
SPEAKER_02I don't know if you have that. He he pulled it up on Crunchyroll, so I just assume yeah, if it's if it's on uh you could probably watch it on Hulu. Um, so you watch the first episode and then you watch Levi's backstory. That's all you've seen so far.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I haven't seen episode two, no, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Cool. Um, I will say the worst part of the show is the middle section of season one. So you gotta bear through that. I think that that's the slowest the show ever gets. Are you done with it? Season two, three. I still have a couple more episodes to watch. I because I have to record it if I watch it. So I'm like, you know, um, but if you're starting it, uh then I'm really gonna have to get on it because you'll finish it before me. But yeah, no, um well, that's that's funny. Yeah, you have to you have to give season one some some time.
SPEAKER_01I mean uh I mean I fat start. I like I I I'm kind of okay with giving it time. And honestly, like I think I appreciate Levi's backstory as well because like it it kind of engrossed me into the it's it's a lot more world building in that uh than than I think even episode one does. Like episode one, there's still a lot of things that are very ominous and and like you just don't quite understand things. But uh Levi's backstory, I don't know the order you're supposed to watch it in, um, but Levi's backstory seems like it it kind of just tosses you in to uh like you know a lot of things, like the underground part and everything, like because that's not mentioned anywhere in episode one.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Well, the underground, I'm not gonna lie. Literally, it's mentioned once throughout the entire show. Really? Wow. Yeah, so it's it's kind of it's kind of interesting, yeah, that you that you um they sh they made you watch that. I mean like I said, I think it only golly. That was crazy. That was so crazy. I think you'll you'll come to I I think you are going to love Erwin, and I think you'll see him as season one progresses. Um, he is a fucking hate him right now in America.
SPEAKER_01Well, I don't like Erwin, Erwin. I don't I don't like him after Lilo's really yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, no, just wait, man. Oh, dude. They're their relationship is awesome, but I think Erwin as a character, I think you're really gonna you're really gonna like him. So I'm I'm excited to see this journey. Wow, that's that's funny. That caught me off guard.
SPEAKER_01Well, just I don't know. It obviously it's just from Levi's perspective, but and like he's not if anything, like he I will say he he he was just doing the right thing the entire time, and Levi could have could be viewed as the the the antagonist in that situation, but just the carelessness for the like the lack of care for oh my gosh. I don't know, yeah. I don't know. I'm sure you're right. We'll we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. But yeah, yeah, bro. I've been sitting on that one since Friday. Uh like I'm gonna drop this on the podcast, bruh.
SPEAKER_02Wow, dude, let's go. Wow, that yeah, that completely took me by surprise. That's crazy. Well, and on on top of that, uh the the one the news this past week, the one piece finally has a release date and um yeah, the the new like um remake faster version or whatever. Um oh gosh, I think studios wit studios does the first three. Gosh, Brandon's gonna come here, come in here and just fact check me to all hell, but Wit Studio does the first three seasons of Attack on Titan. They are doing excuse me, the animation for the One Piece. So um, Attack on Titan is like um uh what they're known for, like they were really in their bag with the animation there, and now they're doing the one piece. Uh, seven episodes, about 40 minutes per episode. It's gonna do a huge chunk where like a lot of people were saying, man, you could probably finish one piece in just about less than 250 episodes um with the pace of this new remake. So that'll come out February, I think. Um we'll see. Okay, we'll see.
SPEAKER_04So we're not fixing anything.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, buddy's a thousand episodes right now. I know, but 250.
SPEAKER_04Holy hill. That's not bringing me anywhere closer.
SPEAKER_02Good. Stay all the way over there. We don't need you, buddy. I'm not gonna lie. Stay over there, like this is that's crazy. This is peak that you just you can't handle, bruh. If you know you know, it's a it's an if you know you know basis, you don't know. So uh yeah, buddy. Uh I'm sorry, man. I'm I'm gonna lock the gate on you a little bit. Um, hell yeah, dude. Fuck. Well, that's that's awesome.
SPEAKER_01Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Um, it's it's just funny because like I hadn't I still had no plans to do it, they just locked me down into it, and then like when I walked out, I was like, Aiden's gonna have to watch Chuck. That's funny, but worth it. Hey uh um anyway, let's move on to a little tiny uh box office draft update. I know it seems like we're probably bringing this to you guys quite a lot, but uh, and there was discussion about leaving it off of this episode, but I wanted to bring it in just because I had two projects dropped this week uh and also a little bit of an update on Aiden's uh Mollywap of the summer. So uh Brandon, I didn't did Brandon jump up another 100 mil from Mario?
SPEAKER_02It's close to a Billy, by the way.
SPEAKER_01It's in sheen closer, yeah. It'll hit him. I don't know. I I feel like I remember I it was like the other night he was sitting at like I want to say 60 60 million or something like that. And then the next time I checked, it was it was 700. I was like, damn, that shit is crazy.
SPEAKER_00But uh his next project until June.
SPEAKER_02So well, dude, my next project isn't gonna be till July, middle of July. Um, but what's interesting is, and I don't mean to continue to crap on Brandon because I know he feels his types of ways about Mario, but uh Michael is going to be the clear cut number one pick after six months here in uh here in a little bit, because yeah, I think that thing is definitely um uh making a billion dollars.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I think we talked about number one. It'll be I mean, I don't know. Fuck.
SPEAKER_01So I mean with I didn't even know about the IMAX re-release um or going back into IMAX. Uh I didn't know about that until you said that. Uh and then it still hasn't come out in Japan, I think. I think it comes out maybe this week or something, and then or it's either Japan or Korea, and then whichever one it is this coming week, the other one is next month sometime. And China extended their their run of the movie as well.
SPEAKER_02So uh let me take that statement back real quick. Brandon got the clear-cut number one winter pick, but it's crazy that his hit pick is only gonna gross a little bit more than the first pick of the winter season. Um, which is Charlie taking Michael. Sure. That is a billion-dollar movie, and that's just insane to me. It's gonna make so much money. I had to buy tickets for my wife. She's coming back home from watching it right now, and it was sold out. The theater I bought uh tickets for her for sold out on a Monday afternoon.
SPEAKER_01Not that this was hard to predict, but like I said this way back when I added Michael to our rotten, our inaugural Rotten Tomatoes draft. I said that Michael was gonna be a huge movie. Not again, not that that's hard to predict. Um, but I think I said back then it was uh I was I had a feeling it was gonna be a billion-dollar movie.
SPEAKER_02Well, it was it was so good, dude. Like it that that helped so much that like how good and like how monumental the movie was just in terms of performances and you know, general audience, like uh pandering to the general audience as bad as that sounds, because it is a really good movie, but yeah, it's just so it's rewatchable, it's just so rewatchable.
SPEAKER_01Dang, he's gonna have the one-two hit of his bomb pick and probably one of his bigger summer movies.
SPEAKER_02What's crazy? Uh Amazing Digital Circus. I don't know if you remember, we were talking about that a couple weeks ago. Um, their final episode is coming out uh the same day as Scary Movie and He-Man. And it's a race for number one between Amazing Digital Circus, Scary Movie, and He-Man, and He-Man might not even beat any of those two movies. So it's like He-Man might might pull a Mortal Kombat from this week and just come in third on a on a trifecta weekend. Yeah, bro.
SPEAKER_00That that is this is gonna hurt us. This one's gonna hurt us, man. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_04It really is. It's very unfortunate.
SPEAKER_02We need a we we need like a a Barbenheimer situation to pick up pretty quick.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, bro, that'd be fire. Um, okay, moving on from Brandon to the second place boy on his way up to the top.
SPEAKER_01Devil Wears Prada 2, 433 million dollars. I will admit, because I said two weeks ago when we got in our little tiss tizzy tiff thing. I was like, I can't wait for this movie to be a fucking flop. Well, look at me now, you know.
SPEAKER_00Look at me now.
SPEAKER_02Two weekends, that's all it needed. Yeah, two weekends, uh, and two weekends, and it's only 150 mil behind Michael. Yeah, it's eyeing Michael's three weekends.
SPEAKER_01It's eyeing like a 700 mil run to end its run with like 700 mil.
SPEAKER_02Which I'm I'm kind of like a set. I've been doing the even on the low end to say that you're disappointed in that. On the low end, a 650 million dollar gross on the low end for this movie. That is 400 and that's 400 million dollars that I take home, right? If on the low end it's 650, which is what people are projecting. The reason I'm upset is because I needed this to behave like the one-one pick of the summer, and I think Moana which Moana is so up in the air. I think Moana hits 900 mil, or it uh just like doesn't have the legs that it needs.
SPEAKER_01See, I don't even know if I need that.
SPEAKER_02Minions is gonna do good, so it's like if Moana makes 900 million dollars and it has a uh 200 million dollar budget, which is what I predict that it will have, I have the I have the same amount of growth as Charlie with Moana and Devil Wears Prada. I I can't have Devil Wears Prada fall in line with where I picked it, which is three minions and Moana outgrosses it. Like, that's just that's not great. Like isn't that literally what you would expect to happen? I needed to perform more. No, because I thought I was getting a steal with Devil Wears Prada at three. Brandon was literally this. Brandon was literally debating this or minions and went with minions, and this fell to me at three. I needed it to behave. Like it would make 800 million dollars and I'd have a 550 million dollar profit because then there's no way I think Moana makes that. So then I'm like, cool, I gotta steal at the third.
SPEAKER_01Which you think Moana doesn't make just 300 million dollar profit? Sorry, is that what you said?
SPEAKER_02No, uh 550. Okay, yeah. If if this makes 800 million, I have a 550 profit. I don't think Moana makes a 550 million dollar profit.
SPEAKER_04I think it's good. I don't know.
SPEAKER_02No, that's like a billion dollars.
SPEAKER_04Lilo and Stitch made over a billion dollars. This is Moana. We're talking about okay.
SPEAKER_02Here's here's where Brandon because I said a million break even. I said the same thing. This is where Brandon pushed back for me. Lilo and Stitch is so popular. Disney makes billions of dollars just off of Lilo and Stitch merch, like per year. Like Lilo and Stitch blows Moana out of the water in terms of popularity. This is the pushback I gave him, and I once he comes on to draft, like as we get closer through the summer, or maybe we'll have him on as like a midway point once more of these blockbusters start coming on, um, or start coming out. His sentiment is just, I don't know. It's like it's unfair to kind of compare it to Lilo and Stitch because Lilo and Stitch was made for streaming, so it had a small budget, and Lilo and Stitch is just so popular amongst Disney fans that Moana doesn't really come close to that. He we were talking this past weekend. There are people that have leagues that have drafted Moana as bomb picks. Like, I just I don't know.
SPEAKER_04I have no idea what this movie I saw a league that somebody drafted the Odyssey as a bomb pick. I've seen some of the worst draft boards in history online.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. See, my thing, my only worry with Moana is the budget. Because I I I I'm with Ben. I think I think this movie, I think it clearly makes a billion. I don't because like I don't know. And this is very anecdotal. This is anecdotal, and I know you're not disagreeing, but uh, this is anecdotal, but uh like uh Cassidy, she works in a in a in a head start, and like all the little kids, they they they're singing Moana songs all the live long day, they got Moana merge on, all that stuff. I know it's anecdotal, but like if that if that's here, then like you gotta think that's other that's that's other places. And obviously, yes, I think Lelone Stitch clearly far and away for for both people our age as well as kids. Like, I do think that that has the the the the bigger namesake. Um but I just I think Milan is nothing to to to shy off shy shy off or shy about. Um just the that budget, man. It's that budget. Yeah, if it's if it's a 200 million, which I think is it's I do think that's possible for sure. Oh my gosh, excuse me. I do think that's possible, but I just uh I don't know. I I have some sort of hope for some reason, even though there's uh CGI pig, there's a CGI chicken, there's a CGI crab, there's a uh CGI powers from the rock, and CGI uh you imagine there's gonna be the CGI lava mountain girl. Uh I forget her name, but like, oh my goodness, like, yeah, that's it could it could break 200 million, probably, like very easily. So I don't know.
SPEAKER_04And The Rock probably got paid like I don't know, 50 mil.
SPEAKER_01Probably he probably got paid stupid amounts.
SPEAKER_04Gosh.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I don't think the budget's gonna look too great for me on this one, but I I think if it if it's over 200 mil budget, I think I agree with you, Aiden. I don't think it makes a 500. I don't think it makes the same profit that that uh devil war's Prada does.
SPEAKER_02But yeah, no, I think it's simple. I'm I'm I'm very happy with Devil Wears Prada. I just I would be even happier if it outgrossed uh or if it got me more profit than uh Moana at number two, because then that would mean that I did something that got me a leg up on the competition and put me even further away. Like I said, I'm really confident in my board for the summer. I think I'm going to um be pulling away. If not, I'm gonna be a little bit behind Charlie. But this right here, grossing more than Moana, would help put me a little bit ahead of Charlie, I feel like.
SPEAKER_01So also, though, even if that doesn't work out the way that you would want it to, I don't think you had another option because I chose Moana before you. So like this was the only logical next step or route for you to go.
SPEAKER_04So 100%, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, I don't I don't even understand viewing it like, oh, I need to feel like I made a better decision than Charlie and have a leg up on him. It's like even if you didn't, you got probably the third best pick. Like you can't really stop.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, I know I'm not, and I'm not, I'm so happy with this, but yeah, I want more, man. You know, I want I want so much more. So greedy.
SPEAKER_01I want more.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I love that.
SPEAKER_01Dang, yeah, that's crazy. Your next is the Odyssey. That's wild.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, not till Odyssey, and then my two August picks. So I'll be I'll be your your your alt pick, I guess. Nice. Which, like, depending on the budget, I think that one can make some money. I'm not gonna lie.
SPEAKER_01I saw the trailer for it before Mortal Kombat. I was so disinterested. I was on my phone.
SPEAKER_02It's so bad. But dude, millennial, uh, millennials and uh older, they love neighbor godsy. Um, so I don't know, we'll see. Yeah, it's not gonna be Spider-Man.
SPEAKER_00Spider-Man. We'll see, man.
SPEAKER_02Oh, and then Spider-Man, yeah.
SPEAKER_01We'll see, we'll see. Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna have Odyssey and then Spider-Man, and then the rest of your summer picks. Oh yes, Benjamin. Um, we don't got to touch on you too much. I know you haven't had much activity. The trailer for one of yours came out, um, Evil Dead Burn, which has been getting a lot of buzz. So I bet you're happy about that. Uh a lot of I saw somebody say that it they think it's the best trailer of the year so far. I don't think I'd say that. I don't think I'd agree with that, but um I mean, you people do you. Uh it looks good enough, and I think, yeah, I think it'll be it'll be somewhat of a of a hit for you. I'm still I'm waiting on backrooms, me personally. I know you're hanging on for your Star Wars love, but I truthfully I'm I'm very eager to see how backrooms performs because I think it's gonna be do great, and I just want to see how great it's gonna do.
SPEAKER_04This is the only that's the only reason why when we did this draft for the summer, I wanted the fourth spot because I knew that I would be able to get backrooms with the back-to-back. Sure. And I don't know. I'm listening, I've been.
SPEAKER_00Did this budget change? Not to interrupt you. Did this budget change? No. Okay.
SPEAKER_04I've been called the king of cope on here a few times, and it's probably true. I have a lot more confidence in my picks than maybe I should. Truthfully, do I want this movie to succeed just as a Star Wars fan who wants to see more movies in theaters? 100%. Do I actually think that this is going to like absolutely crush? I don't think it's gonna crush. I think it I think it's and I think it'll do better than people are expecting. We've seen the projections going up week after week, they just keep getting a little bit better, and it it seems like people are more confident that it's gonna at least be a strong opening weekend. Do I think it's gonna crush? I don't really know, but I'm leaning on the heart here as a Star Wars fan.
SPEAKER_03Grow goofy, can't wait to go to the theater.
SPEAKER_04I'm I'm I'm excited for it, and I'm anticipating either to be very, very happy or to just kind of you know lose this whole draft. All for the love of the game, you know, all for the love of the game.
SPEAKER_01I want to reiterate too, like, I want this to do well for a multitude of reasons. As as Ben mentioned, for Star Wars sake, even though I'm not the biggest Star Wars guy, I do want it to do well for that reason. I also really want it to do well for the sake of it being a Star Wars thing, but in the sense that it's not like a traditional quote unquote Star Wars thing, like i.e. the Skywalker stuff, uh Jedi stuff, even though Grogu's grow Jedi adjacent. Um but as somebody, and you I know you guys love it too, but as somebody who absolutely loves the fuck out of Andor and knows what we can get from Star Wars something that is not fucking Skywalker bound or Skywalker adjacent, even though I guess it kind of is sky because it it leads into a new hope technically with I but not to get into the minutia of it, just if this can do well and then Disney sees and Dave Falone sees that like this can be something, a route to take Star Wars away from all that and do different stories. I think that that is that is wholly and largely uh so much better for Star Wars as a property. Um, and I think I know a lot of people are maybe tired of it, but I don't I would hope not.
SPEAKER_04Like I just think it's not in a great state, is the problem.
SPEAKER_01Sure, sure. And I agree with that. I saw somebody like somebody said, Well, they're making another Star Wars movie, and I was like, brother, we haven't had one since I graduated high school. Like, what are you talking about, bro? It has been so long. What do you mean, another Star Wars movie, bro?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no, it's actually been such a long time, but no, you're right. And I've been very, very pleased with the people who had the chance to watch the like first 25-minute opening look um a week ago on May the 4th. They did special screenings everywhere for like 30 minutes of the film. Only seen positive reviews of that, raving reviews of it, actually. People saying, you know, any doubts that this is just like another episode of the TV show, go watch it. You are wrong. It needs to be seen on a very, very big screen, and people saying that they can't wait to watch the rest of it. So I've I've literally only seen positivity. They I think we talked about this last week, but the review embargo is a couple days before the release. Uh, they're giving it a bit of a buffer, so they're pretty confident that it's gonna be positive. I think word of mouth is going to be good, but I really think it's just up to the Star Wars fandom. It it really is.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we'll see, man. We'll see. Um, and then of course you have power ballot. We've I think we've we've we've I don't know if we we've shit on it very much, but just I obviously it's gonna be profitable because I imagine it's a relatively low budget unless Paul Rudd asked for a stupid amount of money. Maybe Nick Jonas did. Uh but who knows? Yeah, we'll see. Uh, on to me. On to me. Uh I'm the very best. Some say the best in the draft.
SPEAKER_05A lot of people would say last place, by the way.
SPEAKER_01Uh Michael, man, Michael. Uh total gross of$581 million right now. Uh, it's already, I think just now after this, after this weekend, has become the highest grossing uh biopic of all time. So that's cool. That's cool. I will say, like, I it's it sucks that like looking at that 80 81 million uh profit just because of the budget being so high, like I would have obviously I would have loved to see more. I think this is in the vein, the same vein of Aiden, like, I wish I I had more. Um so like it's I know it's gonna keep climbing and it's gonna have a lot more time. It's just gonna take a lot of time to really see that number climb. Just I wanna see it now. I want to see it now. I want to I want to get above Ben right now. I don't want to fucking I don't want to sit here, bro.
SPEAKER_03100 mil, boy.
SPEAKER_01What the fuck is gonna happen? Hey bro, trust next weekend, bro. Next weekend, what do you mean?
SPEAKER_03Actually, between this Mortal Kombat and obsession, you might you might.
SPEAKER_01I'm crossing you next weekend, 100%. Um, but you know, that's whatever. Uh Mortal Kombat, golly man, cool 60 on its opening weekend, which like I think it's not it's not horrible. Like, obviously, it was projected 80. Um, so like 20 million below. It's not great for sure. I don't I think it'll like in an ideal world, I'd love for it to just just sniff the tails of of breaking even like SendHelp did. So it's crazy. I was one of the people like I was doubting it. Like you, you and Brandon uh were set were selling me on it. Not not not to selling me to not selling me to pick it, but but after I picked it, you were selling me on it. And uh same with the Billie Eilish one. Like I just wasn't I thought these were both bad picks by me. Like I just was like trying to pick something. Uh so and I mean I think the Billie Eilish one will break even. I'm not too worried about that. I just don't think I'm gonna see a great profit from it. Um, like 20 million after weekend one, I'm really not stressing. Like I guess the drop the drop off could be really, really bad uh for next weekend. I don't know. We'll see. But Mortal Kombat was a little bit more.
SPEAKER_02It's it's crazy to me that Mortal Kombat was fighting with Michael's third weekend and Devil Wears Product's second weekend for first place, and so came in last. That's brutal.
SPEAKER_01Um, you know, I overall it's not like I'm really worried about my placement uh in the grand scheme. Like these are gonna hurt a little bit, sure. But again, I hope that Mortal Kombat can sniff that break even, uh sniff its coattails a little bit at the very least. And I at worst I hope that's the case for uh Billy Eilish as well. And then I just gotta have Michael drag me up and Toy Story drag me up and have me clinging on until Moana. So obsession is probably gonna make you like 30 million.
SPEAKER_04You think I I really think so. I feel like word of mouth has been really good. I've seen a lot of advertising for it. Yeah, there's definitely a tiny, tiny budget. I just got my ticket actually to go on Wednesday for an early access screening. Really? Yeah, so you're welcome.
SPEAKER_01I mean, you were gonna see the movie anyway. Um, but thank you. Yeah, uh, interestingly enough, I was looking at Undertone uh because I just wanted to get somewhat of an idea. Uh even smaller budget uh than Obsession. And I I'm trying to remember the marketing from this year. Uh I don't know that it went too crazy hard. There were a couple trailers in theaters, but like I'm seeing Obsession do things like the text Nikki uh stuff, uh leaving billboards and stuff everywhere. I don't know how much IRL marketing like that really gets people to go, but I mean, I don't know. It's cool, nifty stuff like to posting on Twitter, text Nikki at this phone number and seeing some people interact with that. So I don't know.
SPEAKER_04We'll see, I guess it's projected to do seven to ten in its domestic opening weekend.
SPEAKER_01Okay. So how how well do horror movies do overseas?
SPEAKER_04I mean, look at the look at the mummy. I don't know. I think it depends. But like the mummy for me, like yeah. Click the breakdown.
SPEAKER_01Wait, where's the where is that?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, the little eye by gross. It hasn't been working for me lately. Yeah, it's not working.
SPEAKER_00I I clicked it, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure it's literally like 56 million of the 86. Yeah, I think yeah, I think only like 30 million is domestic, so okay. Wow, I didn't present. I don't know if that's like a universal thing or just a you know a one-off thing, but Yeah. Yeah. So I could easily I easily think you could make 40 million off of the movie.
SPEAKER_01I hope so, man. More than anything, like I'm not even I haven't even thought about the the budget for this movie, really, other than like comparing it to Undertone and whatnot. I'm just excited for the movie. Like I really am. I just I think it looks great. So I'm very excited to see it, which is rare for me with horror movies. So uh and then like we talked about Moana, uh Toy Story as well. Uh Toy Story is one that kind of I keep overlooking because I keep wondering about Moana, uh Moana's budget mainly. Uh, but I should also be worried about Toy Story's budget because as we've talked about, Toy Story 4's budget was pretty pretty wild. My only hope is that maybe like they reined themselves in. Because I remember Toy Story 4, like a large part of the conversation was talking about the leaps they've taken with the animation. Like you you had things like the cat, the cat, and that one scene in the in the antique store. I remember that was a a big, a big not a selling point necessarily for the movie, but that was a focus point in some of the marketing. So, and you had you had you had people like uh Key and Peel in there, which I don't know how much they costed at the time to to get them in the movie, but um Keanu Reeves was Duke Kaboom, yeah. Keanu Reeves was in that as well.
SPEAKER_04So not a Toy Story fan, by the way.
SPEAKER_01Keanu Reeves isn't?
SPEAKER_04No, no, no. I'm saying I'm not like doxing myself that I like love Toy Story for or anything. Oh. I only saw it the one time in theaters. I just remember Duke Kaboom, I promise.
SPEAKER_01That's actually crazy because I only saw it the one time and I could not have told you that guy's name. I could not have told you with the gun in my head.
SPEAKER_04So it's Keanu Reeves, that's my guy, you know?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's true. He is your guy. Yeah. Uh anyway, that is our little box office draft update. We will uh keep coming back to this periodically. I don't know if we will next week, maybe when I cross Benjamin, just to look at where I'm sitting.
SPEAKER_04Probably obsession opening weekend at a bare menu.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's true. That's true. We will probably talk about obsessions opening weekend. That's true, man. That'll bring me back down another 2.5 mil, Ben. So yeah, maybe I won't pass you.
SPEAKER_04You'll make it, you'll make it back right away with that movie.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00True.
SPEAKER_01All right, but on to our first topic of the episode Mortal Kombat 2. Um we have all seen Mortal Kombat 2. Initially, before we started recording, Benjamin and I assumed that Aiden had not seen it, but Benjamin got Aiden spoilers. He got Aiden spoilers because he went to Letterboxd and he saw. Uh so we did we discovered that Aiden did watch it. I do not know the spoilers yet, so um our thoughts on Mortal Kombat 2 in 3, 2, 1. Yeah, I think this, I think this movie's alright, man. I think this movie's alright. I I had a fun time. Um if I was gonna compare it to the other video, big video game drop of the year, Mario, I had a better time with this than I did with Mario, me personally. Um maybe that's just because I'm a bigger Mortal Kombat fan than I am a Mario fan, uh, even though I love Mario like I grew up. I grew up with both of these things, but um this one just I don't want to make it sound like I'm a blood and gore guy or anything like that. That wasn't even like a lot of what stood out to me. Because I truthfully, I was surprised at how little there was uh fatality-wise and and whatnot in this movie. But just I found it funnier, I guess. Like I remember I told you guys that I know remember I told you guys I was sitting in Mario bored. I was bored throughout like the entire movie.
SPEAKER_04You mean funnier than Mario? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought you were saying funnier than the first Mortal Kombat movie.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Uh and I guess, yeah, we'll we'll touch on on the first Mortal Kombat movie here uh uh in a little second as well. But yeah, I found this movie funnier than Mario. I I just I I think maybe that's part of the reason that uh I tried I enjoyed it more. I think it's just still there's just not really much to grab onto here. It felt like the the movie couldn't decide who the main character was, whether it was Katana or Johnny Cage, and it just like it's like it switched halfway through and trying to tell us that Katana was the the main character the whole time, and it said, and like the the the uh narration at the end were I can't remember exactly what it said, but it just when when you when you discover that you had something within you the entire time or something, I was like, that was was that katana's arc? Like what I like okay, that was Johnny's arc. How the fuck was that katana's arc? But all right. Um, but that whatever. I mean, it's a it's a fun enough movie. Um that being said, I still don't think Carl Urban should have been Johnny Cage. Like he yeah, he took he took me out of it, man. Sorry. I like Carl Urban, but it really felt like to me, and maybe this is just a me thing, it I I'm trying I'm trying to think of other times where I've heard him talk with an American accent. I've never seen the dread movie and was he was he was British in Ragnarok, right? Or like as Guardian British or whatever, yeah, I imagine. So, like when in this movie, it just sounded like he was trying so hard to not sound Australian. Not like Like Butcher Australian, just his regular voice Australian. Like he's really not, he hasn't mastered the American accent yet, is what it sounded like to me. And so like that took me out of it a little bit. And I also just I wasn't feeling the Johnny Cage annoying charm that I that I feel in the games for from him. So like I don't know. But I still was able to find some enjoyment. Kano was better this time around, I think. Not as funny, but Kano was he was he was just better, less annoying. I guess I don't know. Yeah, I was gonna say, like, that that's why before you last thing I want to say, that line, though, this was really funny from Kano to to um to Quanchi. Quan Chi's like, I have other matters to attend. And he's like, if it's more eyeliner, trust me, you're good. You're good. So funny. It was funny.
SPEAKER_04He's the funniest part of both of these movies. I didn't know if he was gonna be uh, you know, making his return for this movie, and I was really upset because when rewatching the first one, he's just so I don't it's just the way he delivers it and the timing of it, so overconfident the whole time. Yeah, he gets his powers and it's a laser eye. He turns he's like, Well, it's it's better than fireballs, you pussy. It's like it just every single time, it's so good, he's so funny. Um, I was gonna say that the comparison between this movie and Mario Galaxy, I actually think I feel very similarly about both of them, which is both movies really just like throw a lot of the stuff that the franchise has to offer, just throws it at you as an audience member, and you're thrown into it with really not much of a story, and like the little bits and pieces don't connect very well. And even like there's a moment with with Johnny, Johnny Cage, and he's told, like, you you've grown, Cage, and and he's just like, it's called perspective. And I'm like, has he like has he grown? Like, what what are we talking? We're acting like he's gone on some grand character arc throughout this movie, and it's just not at all what happened.
SPEAKER_01So he's just willing to be more helpful now. Like it's like, all right.
SPEAKER_04So I actually I would I would compare these movies quite a bit, um, both of them being like enjoyable and a fun time, but this one just like I mean, it's just a fun time, and I didn't I didn't find that much more to latch on to. I also think it's a huge spit in the face to the first movie when it comes to uh Cole Young.
SPEAKER_01So, you know, we'll get into that at some point. All right, yeah. I didn't know, I didn't know you're a goal Cole Young lover.
SPEAKER_04Here's the thing, here's the thing, and I we don't need to go too deep into it right now. It's not that I'm a Cole Young lover, and like that's not a highlight of the first movie, and whatever. I I know like there there was lots of people who were going back and forth with it being an original character, yada yada yada, so on and so forth. But what I'll say is if you're going to spend an entire first movie building this guy up as a main character in this storyline and then completely disregard that, that's where I think it's a disservice. Not saying I agree with you. Approached it well from the very beginning, but you can't make him the main character of movie one and then literally a nothing character in this movie.
SPEAKER_00Sure. Ada.
SPEAKER_02I liked it, man. I had a good time with it. Uh yeah, I mean, I don't have a huge connection with um the first movie or with uh the Mortal Kombat games. I mean, I played them, right? Like I was a Baraka and um uh Raiden main. Those were like my guys.
SPEAKER_01Oh, this boy was teleporting, he was doing the fucking Raiden, which was cool. That was a cool nod in this movie. They did do that.
SPEAKER_00The I what the what the that they did that thing to Shang Sheng. What Shang Sung? Sheng Sheng.
SPEAKER_02So that was yeah, I I liked uh, you know, so uh you know I like the characters that I've always liked. I mean, I was always more of an injustice guy. I mean, I would like go, I navigated more towards injustice and like playing the absolute shit out of injustice. Um god, who was my injustice main? I think I tried to get really good with somebody. Oh my gosh, I can't I can't think of it.
SPEAKER_01Flash, Green Arrow. Wait, the first injustice or the second?
SPEAKER_02Maybe it was Flash, the first injustice.
SPEAKER_01Green Arrow.
SPEAKER_02Um it wasn't Green Arrow.
SPEAKER_01I think it oh uh might have been Starfleet Wait, Starf Starfire or Firestorm was she was she waiting for yeah fire firestorms injustice two.
SPEAKER_02No, no, no. I'm uh what is Starf Starfire? Wait, I'm trying to think of Starfire. Starfire, yeah, uh Teen Titans.
SPEAKER_01Was she I don't know if she was in the first one.
SPEAKER_02She was in Injustice 2, I think that's what I'm thinking of. I'm thinking of as two.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02Uh Starfire, yes, I tried to get I tried to get uh really good with Starfire. I was a big starfire guy. Um I tried to I tried to get really good with her after I realized that I couldn't get good with um Flash, but my buddy really liked to play Flash, so I was like, all right, yeah. Um but yeah, Starfire was Starfire was 100% my girl. Um I think I tried to play I tried to get good with Black Adam and I um also failed there. But Mortal Kombat, I mean I just don't really have a huge connection to, and if I did it was when I was really younger, but anyways, I like the movie, I had a good time with it. Um I think the fights were really good. I mean, I was thoroughly entertained the entire time. I think the Liu Kang fight is like one of the coolest like fights I've seen. Yeah, Liu Kang and Kong fight in a while. It was so good. Uh because he does the thing where he just stands there and I'm like, all right, come on, are we gonna do another like pity, you know, death or pity end of the fight? Um, like, oh, I'll I'll let you live now. And um he kicks him, he grabs his elbows and just pulls him in. I was like, oh my god, it was the coolest thing ever. So um Luke Hang was just amazing in this movie. Um, and you know, I I didn't like the plot is essentially just what we've been going through with the boys, just moving the MacGuffin around until you can finally grab it and then uh you know get to the conclusion. Um, you know, I obviously it could have been way better. I only gave this movie three stars. I think it's a three-star movie. Um Brandon was a lot lower on it. I think that helped my viewing because I went in with super low expectations and I was like, hey, you know what? I'm not mad at this um really at all. Uh I it gave me exactly what I expected going in, um, plus a little bit more. So I I can't complain, man. I'm what can I say? I'm I'm I'm easily entertained, and this movie kept me entertained the whole time. So that's that's fine with me.
SPEAKER_04This is bro, this is weird, and this is almost like a a step back in giving me perspective that I don't really understand how I view things or come to my opinions on things. But even though this movie is like hype moments in aura, great action scenes, you know, a list of stuff that in theory should please me, I didn't love this movie. Like, I gave it a two stars. I'm yeah, lower than Aiden. And even though it's like, yeah, each action scene, I was like, yeah, that was cool, whatever. I still left it just being like, that was not good. Like, I'm not a I'm just not a fan of it at all.
SPEAKER_01You didn't you didn't care for the Lu Kang Kung Lao, right?
SPEAKER_04No, I like I liked the individual fight scenes themselves. I even thought that Katana and Johnny Cage was a pretty good, I mean, not as good, but creative, fun uses of of the environment and weapons and whatever, good moments within it. Um, and I mean Shao Kahn as a as a villain.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I thought that was phenomenal. Like, I loved every scene that he was in. Uh Aura Maxing, absolutely just thought he was incredible as a villain. Yeah, he was he was, bro. Like his design, they always had the camera like down low looking up, so that he always looked so imposing no matter where he was at. Uh, they filmed it in the proper way. But um, I liked every action scene. There wasn't like any bad action scenes, I would say. It just at some point was just like cool action scene after cool action scene, and nothing else to really latch on to.
SPEAKER_01The one, and this is a short one, I think. The one action scene that I didn't care for and it felt like they were just trying to do something cool, but it just didn't work, was when Raiden gets his uh throat slit, and then like there's just rays of going across the entire screen. I can't see anything going on, and they were just trying to like make it look cool. And I just I like I was like, I I don't this is doing nothing for me. Um something that I wish they had done, and I imagine this would have looked goofy, but like if you're gonna go for it, like go for it. Like with Sindel, like don't just give her the screen, give her her hair too. Like, do the do the she has like crazy hair that she can whip people with and grab people with, like, just do the damn thing, bro. Um, maybe they'll do that in the third one because she's still around. If there's a third one, golly, this one's not performing well.
SPEAKER_04I also I love the environments of each of the fights. I feel like each time they're setting it up. Um, you know, obviously, I think I think we know we know the standout, but even like uh Shao Kahn versus versus Cole Young, like just the setting of that, it's like okay, they're clearly like setting a stage for it. It's like that's a cool environment. The fight scene in hell, that's a cool environment. The nether realm, um, that that's a cool environment. All of those I I thought were were pretty cool. I mean, there's a couple generic ones, of course, but they they really like tapped into it, uh, which they did that in the first movie as well, but I think it was a little more generic in the first one. This one, like there's kind of more unique settings for for the different fights.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. A lot of like, and well, then the first one, like they've they've had a callback to I I don't know if you call them uh maybe not a callback, but a a reference to uh stages in the games. And the in the first movie, the one where Jax is fighting the guy with the the hammer, yeah. That's that's the pit. And I they didn't utilize that one well. I really wish that they had a fatality where Jax just uppercutted the guy and he fell down into the pit onto the spikes. Um that would have been yeah, yeah. They did do that in in a in a in a somewhat cool way for that. But uh, and then I do like this time around with Shao Kahn and Cole Young, like they utilized the the actual actual stage. Uh something I wanted to mention, and I believe I said this to you guys while we were on the trip, but uh the guy at the bar, um, the bartender, uh when Johnny Cage was there, that's the the creator of Mortal Kombat, uh, the original uh creative creative director. And we walked past that guy at Comic Company. I remember you mentioning that. Yeah. Oh, yeah, we walked past that.
SPEAKER_00You were like, whoa.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, superior Mortal Kombat.
SPEAKER_00That was Ed Boone. That was Ed Boone.
SPEAKER_02I was like, shut the fuck up, bro. Keep walking. We gotta play to this.
SPEAKER_04Hey, I probably got hyped with you, right, Charlie?
unknownNo, you didn't.
SPEAKER_02He didn't.
SPEAKER_01Like I said, bro, I I'm the only like actual Mortal Kombat fan of us, which is fine. Which is fine. And I wouldn't even say like I'm a super Mortal Kombat fan. Like, I uh I didn't play Mortal Kombat 11. I uh I just I got Mortal Kombat 1 is the most recent one, which is the most recent one that came out, but and I barely played 10. But anyway, uh another thing that I wanted to say about the Cole Young fight with Shao Kahn, uh, and then contrasting that with the Liu Kang fight with Shao Kahn, they already established early in the movie that Liu Kang is the best fighter of the Earth Realm fighters. So for Cole Young to be able to kill Xiao Kahn, quote unquote, just because uh not because, but uh just and Xiao Kahn still gets to live because he's immortal, yeah, to have Liu Kang. I guess technically you could say he would have burned him alive uh at the beginning of the fight if he wasn't immortal. But if Cole Young can kill Shao Kahn, Liu Kang should be running circles around Xiao Kahn. It shouldn't even be difficult for him. Like that's just uh that's just a little crazy to me. But then and also this is a more of a cinemasins thing. I guess the last one could have also been considered a cinema since thing. Uh katana, Jade gives Katana her fans, her blade fans, and she all instantly knows how to use them against Johnny Cage. Like she's fucking she's throwing them bitches around like she's been using them for years. Like that shit was crazy. I was like, didn't you just get these? Like, what the fuck are we talking about? But whatever. I get it, I get what they're going for.
SPEAKER_04So you said earlier that like you didn't want it to seem like oh big fan of gore and blood and whatever, but I'll be honest, fatalities are kind of a part of the games and the movies. I don't understand how they don't have fatalities that are as good or better than the first movie.
SPEAKER_01Sure.
SPEAKER_04I don't really get that. Sorry, like the none of them super memorable other than like maybe the last katana.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah. Katana's last one was was very memorable, I'd say. Um obviously the the Lu Kang Kung Lao one, I think, is memorable just because of how it was done. Uh getting kicked back and then grabbing like a like the fake out.
SPEAKER_04It's worse than it's not. It's worse. Yeah, I will give you that.
SPEAKER_01I will give you that. I I I agree with that. Um, and I have a a a soft spot in my heart for the Cole Young one just because he gets pushed into the the acid, but sure. That's not what technically kills him. So yeah, I just wish there was more. I just wish there were more fatalities. Like I don't know. There was the I don't know, it felt the the one with noob and scorpion felt very lackluster to me. Like that one just you blink and you miss it, and I just I didn't really care for that. I like Scorpion has the potential to do so many cool I think the way he killed Bihan in the first movie was better. Like just the the hellfire was was was was good.
SPEAKER_04So yeah, and then I agree with you gordo in the first movie was definitely a lot. Goro, sorry, big fan, big fan, gordo goro in the first movie.
SPEAKER_01Bro said fat in Spanish.
SPEAKER_04I don't know Spanish either. I don't know. Um yeah, he was another one in the first movie that definitely was uh better than I think almost anything in this movie.
SPEAKER_01Like his character or his death? His death. His death, okay.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, sure. Yeah, just like the guts cut open and then stabbed through the head, like you know, everything spilling out and whatever.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I see a lot of people wanting Cole, the actor. I think I think they're saying they just want the actor to come back, as as Kenshi, who if you don't know, he's a he's a blind samurai uh in Mortal Kombat, and he has like he has some powers as well. Uh but I I just I don't know how they want that to work. Like, do they want Sonya and uh I guess not Jax anymore? Golly, R.I.P. Jax. Uh do they want them to just see Cole and and and or see Kenshi and think that it's Cole? Like, I don't know. I don't know how they want that to work, but whatever. I I I won't I won't put too much stock into that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I mean dude, Cole, that's I don't know. That's so stupid. I don't how are you gonna create an original character for an entire first movie? And then like, I I don't know, was the audience reception to it so bad that they're just like let's pretend like we never made this decision. That's probably all it was. Let's bring in Johnny Cage, forget Cole ever existed.
SPEAKER_01And then like I don't think the audience reception would have been that bad if Cole Young wasn't the main character of the first movie. Like if he was an original character but he was a side character, I think it would be it, it would have been fine, but him being the main character. But I do agree with you, like they if once they did it, they should have just yeah, stuck with that and not made him necessarily made him the protagonist again, but just gave him more in this movie than they did.
SPEAKER_04That's just the problem that like a lot of video game adaptations have had. Like Sonic had that, even the first Mario Bros. movie had it, which is like starting off in the real world and then incorporating the video game aspects and not just like fully committing to it. Yeah, sure. Which like Mario is more understandable, like they're literally from Brooklyn, whatever, and then we we travel uh to the universe, but I don't know. For for like Mortal Kombat, like if you could just fully tell the story within the universe and not yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Well, like technically you could say that it is that unit because Earth Realm is like part of that, but like I I see I see your point though, as to like like following Johnny Cage in real life, going to a Comic-Con, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, or in Cole Young's character with like boxing and whatnot in the first one, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, the point more so is like I feel like video game adaptations are scared to just like fully embrace the universe that they're in, and not that Earth can't be like a part of it, but they want to base it closer to reality, similar to like the Minecraft movie. It's like we're not just gonna tell a story fully in Minecraft, we're gonna show you how these real-world characters, these humans, get into Minecraft, and then we're still gonna keep going back to Earth, like it's a location within the movie, and we're gonna keep going back there, and it's gonna be a significant part of it. Rather than I feel like what this movie did a little bit better, even like I feel like this had a better balance because we brought in Johnny Cage, but then otherwise, like the Earth Earth being the Earth realm didn't have like as big of a significance, whereas in the first movie it absolutely did. Like Sub Zero pulls up to Earth, like we go back there all the time. Sure, Cole Young goes back to his family, multiple battles take place there, like it happens quite a bit.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I last thing I'll say about this movie, uh another Cinema Sin thing didn't love that, like and I guess you could argue that it's because of the the amulet or whatever, but how using Raiden's powers does Shao Kahn get to become immortal? But Raiden, so like he gets his throat slit and he heals. Raiden just with before he got his powers taken, before Shang Sung bottled up his powers in the amulet, he gets his throat slit and he's just he's sitting there and he's like, Oh my god, uh like what are we doing, bro? Come on, man. He's he's an actual god, like he's a god. So I just whatever, whatever, man. Mortal Kombat 2. Go see it, please. I need money for my draft.
SPEAKER_02Nice. Um sorry for talking so much, guys. That segment. Fuck, man. I just I feel so strongly about this movie.
SPEAKER_01Hey, bro, whenever you whenever you're ready to run the ones on Mortal Kombat, buddy. All right. Whenever you think you're ready to watch in Justice 2, bro.
SPEAKER_04Come get my favorite part of watching the movie was seeing a trailer for the Odyssey.
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah, I did. I saw that trailer as well.
SPEAKER_01I did not uh on to the boys, Le Boys, season five, episode six. What were our thoughts, gentlemen? In three, two, one dang.
SPEAKER_02I didn't mean to put two thumbs up.
SPEAKER_01Ben's a natural born hater this episode, ladies and gentlemen. Crazy, dude.
SPEAKER_04It's a great episode. No, it's a great episode. Um, I'm mainly pissed off at Sage. Like, I don't, I'll be honest. How are you this dumb, bro? How are you this stupid? I don't know if we're just hopping right into it, but like for your superpowers to be that you're the smartest person in the room and to literally be told by Ashley that, like, yeah, this is what Soldier Boy is thinking, then to coordinate that everyone is in the same place at the same time for the thing that nobody wanted to happen to happen, and then to be like, How did this happen?
SPEAKER_01It's like hold on in Sage's Defense. She'd planted the laptop for Soldier Boy and Homelander to find about.
SPEAKER_02But that's that's the thing. She's saying her people people with you. She says people are so easy to predict. Motherfucker, are you not the smartest person on the planet? Yeah, you've fallen on your face fucking twice this season. Also, what is this character assassination?
SPEAKER_04Remember last last week when we talked about this, and I was just like, I I'm not a fan of her plan. If this is her plan, and you guys were like, Well, maybe she has like other motive, maybe she's lying, maybe there's a hidden something, whatever, they're gonna switch it up. Yeah, no, she actually wanted to go hide in a bunker and read books in peace, which she should go and just do, anyways. Get off the dang show. But she actually was serious, and it's so dumb. I don't know, it's like really bothering me because outside of that, I am a big fan of this episode. I really did like this episode and everything that happens. I just can't. Get over the fact that in order for that to happen, we have to have Sage become the dumbest character in the show.
SPEAKER_01I and you know, I the only other thing that I'd say in her defense as well is like I I don't know if I see how else they get the V one from Bombsite without Soldier Boy. Like, do we think they could have talked him down? Like, I just don't know if I see that. I don't know if I saw that happening. Or if them taking him down to take it, you know.
SPEAKER_04I thought they could have, though. I mean, they weren't they kind of getting somewhere with it, like not only having her hostage, but then initiating the conversation of just like it's not what people want. Let go. I mean, he he got he got to that point, and he did that with Soldier Boy, obviously, because there was like now a realistic way for him to live out his days. Yeah. But he did get to that point. So it might have happened. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but was that because of his past with Soldier Boy, which is something I'll I want to talk about as well at some point. Um, but is that because of his past with Soldier Boy, or is that was that just genuinely because Soldier and or is it because Soldier Boy had something to offer him? Uh like you said, like the because none of the boys could have done that, you know? Yeah. I don't know. That's like I just think it's an interesting thought to to have. But also in saying that uh say also smartest person in the world. Do you not know that uh Goldie is wearing a fucking VOT Alert necklace that can be tracked? Because, like, sure, you could argue you she could say, oh no, he wants he doesn't want Homelander to have it. Of course, like, okay, even if even if that's the case, why would you want Homelander to come here then? So, like, if you know that, if you know for sure, if you're so sure that Soldier Boy's not gonna give it to him because Soldier Boy hates him right now, that's all fine and dandy, but why would you still want Homelander to come here? It's not like he's gonna kill Homelander. Like, he could have killed him in that apartment, but he didn't do it after you left, after you planted the computer, or could have depowered him or whatever, but he didn't do that. So why would you want Homelander to come here? So so that just tells me that you're just dumb and you just did you're not actually as smart as you think you are. Because you you you couldn't even clock a a a vaudalert necklace all uh around Goldie's Goldie's neck just in the picture that you took to send a bomb site. Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_04To go from yeah, I called him, he's on our side, to then the worst thing possible happening that we've been trying to avoid for this back half of the season. It's like, what do we do?
SPEAKER_01I don't know.
SPEAKER_04It's hard to excuse that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the way that it goes it goes about getting done. Absolutely, I agree. Uh the fact that it happens, though, I am happy because one of my complaints, I think I said last week, is that like it felt the stakes felt so low to to little to nothing, like they were just non-existent, and now they they feel tangible, they feel real, and they feel scary in a way. Um, like even just just looking at Butcher, like like turning like run, like, oh my gosh. I felt that. I felt that, my boy.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god.
SPEAKER_04The only I'll I'll have one more complaint, and then I do want to talk about a lot of the positive things in this episode, but I saw a clip recently from a previous season where Homelander is giving a staged interview talking about his mom, and like it's a very it's it's a moment that really shows that Homelander, as crazy as he is, is was also like very in control. He was calculated, even though he was also evil. And I feel like, especially in in these last two seasons, he's really just become like a whiny little baby, and like I kind of missed Homelander when he was still just as evil, but he was calculated and very like precise about it. And I guess it's just like as he's lost his grip on control over everything that that's kind of shown in his character and now has affected him in those negative ways, but he doesn't feel as like intimidating as a villain as he used to, he feels more like a powerful crybaby that still somehow is gonna get his way.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I've seen people highlight clips of like him and Maeve in season one um uh framing that guy as like a um uh this threat on on some political figure's life or whatever it was. Um, and the whole time they're walking up there, like I don't even just the way he talks and carries himself, he's so coherent and like you said, calculated, like uh you know, conniving. Um and now he's just yeah, I it I and I saw people in the replies being like, well, he's literally psycho, like he's literally losing his mind, he's going insane these past couple seasons, like he's talking to himself in the mirror, and um you know he's losing his grip on reality. I'm like, yeah, that's a good canon way of explaining why, but it's not like it's good, it's not like I enjoy this version of Homelander compared to seasons one and two of Homelander. So um I think that clip of with him and Maeve, I was like, gosh, dude, this is night and day of where we're at now. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I mean, with that said, I I do want to say that I I did like this scene where he lets the one doctor guy from Stranger Things lets him go. Uh it like it it shows his I don't know cognitive uh ability to some degree. Like he's not entirely a whiny baby, like he he can look at situations objectively and and look at them and look at people and have even have respect for certain people for not fearing him.
SPEAKER_04Well, yeah, isn't that the only reason is that he doesn't yeah, yeah, he didn't he didn't fear him.
SPEAKER_01So um which I that he's done that in the past too, or uh like I think it was last season with the the woman from the lab that he was raised in or whatever, he didn't kill her but killed everybody around her and left her in there. Uh but anyway. The other part that I wanted to talk about from this episode um in regards to the sage stuff. Maybe I maybe I'm cope maxing, uh, but maybe her uh her her plan really maybe this is all part of her plan.
SPEAKER_00I don't know. Maybe what maybe she what are we talking about?
SPEAKER_01This is how she what she this is the Grandmaster plan, bro.
SPEAKER_04The only way that we're recovering this is if somehow she has knowledge that V1 mixing in with his current bloodstream would somehow not work the way that we think it will, which is him becoming immortal. Like it if the mixture ends up causing more more chaos and he loses his powers or whatever, whatever it may be. That's like literally the only way that I think they can redeem her having this master plan. Or she's an idiot, Homelander wins, and that's it. I just think that'll happen by the way.
SPEAKER_01What happy ending? I'm gonna be mad. I'm telling you right now, I am going to be completely upset.
SPEAKER_02Gosh, that'd be insane, dude. That'd be so ballsy. Well, I don't know.
SPEAKER_04I think the V1 worked, especially given, not gonna lie, I think the title of this next episode very revealing for what's about to happen.
SPEAKER_01The Frenchman, the female, and the man they call the man they call mother's milk, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, like I obviously think we're going to like spend a lot of time with their characters and ultimately just kill them off, which to me would mean that the v1 worked because now we have a serious threat, high stakes, people are gonna start dying. Um, I think the V1 worked.
SPEAKER_02I just I I did see someone theorize that Soldier Boy was holding the V1 in his pocket when he depowered bomb site, which means he could have depowered the V1. That would be lame, dude.
SPEAKER_01This would be so lame, but like what then what makes him like blast up and then like clearly something's happening to him, you know? I don't know. Because like I saw that too. Okay, all right. Sorry. Um that's I if that happens, if he comes out on top of this, it's just it's gonna make the entire show feel like what did I watch this for? Like what like serious, what was the point of this? I I continued this to watch this despicable dude, this horrible fucking guy, get his come-uppins in whatever one way, shape, or form. And for you to make me sit through five seasons and I don't all I see happen to him is become more of a whiny crybaby and occasionally get punched or locked in a in a room with with radioactive material, so he gets a little sicky. Like, nah, man. Uh fuck you for wasting my time. That's that'd be the ultimate middle finger.
SPEAKER_04How how else do they do it? Like, let's say the V1. Literally, what happens, dude? What do you want them to do with these final two episodes? He has the V1 where we left off.
SPEAKER_02I I I again think that they are gonna try to recreate some kind of soldier boy blast or power or something to depower Homelander. Like that has to be where we go as you depower Homelander. Soldier Boy's not gonna do it.
SPEAKER_01Um, and then what I think if Soldier Boy does it, I think it's on accident, like he's aiming for somebody else and he accidentally gets home.
SPEAKER_02Or that would be so yeah, or I'm sorry, or that would be pitch something.
SPEAKER_01No, I agree. I think I'm just shooting out if so if Soldier Boy was to do it. Because I'm with Aiden, I think they're gonna find a way to do a different way to do it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Well, and that's like after watching that, after watching that new Rockstars video, and and where she points out that they're carrying equipment. And uh what you're doxing yourself right now. Oh, yeah, yeah. My bad, whatever. I'm already here. Um dude, all right. I was working, all right. It's background. Uh but I did pay attention to this part just so who uh who was narrating uh Jessica? Come on, okay, uh the goat. Anyways, um, but yeah, like uh her pointing out that they were like wheeling uh old equipment and they are watching trials of Soldier Boy's tests that they used to run on him. Um their point of them recreating that power, like I feel like that has to be where we're heading, you know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because like that's not enough, that's not a power that Soldier Boy originally had. So that happened after his Russian experiments. So there has to be a way to recreate that somehow.
SPEAKER_04But I still like piece that together for me. Let's say that's the route that they're going, that the boys are going to try and recreate this power that Soldier Boy has. Who who does it and then what's the result of it? Because like as a as a base concept, let's say Starlight has the ability to do it. Um and then like she deep, yeah. So let's say she does it and then like butcher kills Homelander. Like, tell me logistically how that works, where it's actually like interesting. Like, I don't I don't know. If Starlight figures out the ability to to depower Homelander and then they just do it and kill him, I don't know if that satisfies me enough.
SPEAKER_01Well, who says he has to die though? Who says he has to die? I just don't want him to win. That's my thing.
SPEAKER_04Well, that's also fair, but uh what I'm saying is pitch the ending to me then. Like if if that's a route you think they're gonna go or something something else, what what would be an an ending that you would be happy with? Because you didn't you don't like the the Homelander winning.
SPEAKER_01Uh him getting depowered, I think, is a great ending for him because I think that that's where he he feels like the most superior, like that's part of what his identity. So like I just think that him losing that and becoming that thing that all season everybody's been not everybody, but those willing to stand up to him have told him that he is, not even just this season, but but in past seasons. I him finally becoming that and becoming what he fucking fears the most. I think that that's fucking phenomenal. I think that's great.
SPEAKER_02Well, I think even bringing it full circle, uh, especially with Butcher kind of uh, you know, two episodes ago, talking to Huey and you know, kind of talking to talking to MM as well, just being like, look, man, do it for your family. Like, don't don't just completely throw all of this away, like make it mean something, and having that emotional conversation with Huey. I could even see him kind of turning back, and they depower Homelander, and he realizes, like, yeah, you know, uh, maybe he should just rock. Maybe this is worse than death for him, and I'm okay with that. You know, I don't have to kill all the soups in the world. This virus isn't gonna work on him now. We pivot from that idea, and like I don't know, butcher also coming to terms with that. Uh his story coming first full circle, where he doesn't just get super bloodthirsty and torture and kill soups. You know, these cards are dealt, maybe they're dealt like this for a reason for him. And Homelander's deep powered, he has the option to kill him, and he just opts to just lock him up and you know, at least try to take a step towards you know making the world of the boys a better place. I think even seeing that could be satisfying for Butcher's character. Um especially for Butcher's character and everything that he's been through.
SPEAKER_04I don't yeah, I don't disagree with you. I just I think if that's the route that we're going down, we shouldn't have waited until the end of episode six to give Homelander V1.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Like if we're potentially going to get it for one episode and then we're gonna reverse it and then win. I don't why why couldn't we have done this two episodes ago?
SPEAKER_02This this should have been episode four, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Sure. And I I I want I want you to explain. Do you do you think the the Homelander winning thing is good? Do you think that's that would be a good thing?
SPEAKER_04Writing-wise, it depends on the implications for every other character, I would say. Like if by Homelander winning you mean that like all of the boys are just dead, but then I don't think so. So it it really it depends.
SPEAKER_01So what if like they're in prison?
SPEAKER_04Yeah. I mean, obviously, I'm expecting a lot of them. Yeah, obviously I I expect that a lot of them are going to die, but um I don't know, like I think given like the entire premise of the boys of VOT, that like there is an ending where Homelander slash VOT remain in control of the world and kind of rule by uh the iron fist. And like I I feel like I could see that playing out in a way where like I buy into it, I understand it. And it's not like a it's not as much of a satisfying ending, but it's an ending that like can make sense conceptually, I guess, from like how this whole show is founded, which is like the idea of forming this group to try and take down these the superhero, evil superhero organization. That's like I don't think that in order for it to be satisfying, I don't think that it has to be that the boys have overcome this organization.
SPEAKER_01I don't I don't think that necessarily well I disagree that it's about the organization, I think that it's about the organization for one person, and that's mother's milk. I think for most everybody else, I think it's about the soups themselves. Uh like MM has problems with VOT because of what they did to his his entire family. And I think all of them don't like VOT to some degree or another, yeah, sure. But they're largely just in it for Homelander because they think Homelander is a horrible person. Like they've they've all had horrible experiences because of Homelander. I don't I'll like I think that Stan Edgar's words about VOT still shining through at the end of this are completely true. But I think Homelander is separate from VOT. And yeah, I'm more so I just think is having him come out on top after all this this time, and I he doesn't see any consequence whatsoever. Like, sure, there's some realism in that, but that doesn't mean it's satisfying, that doesn't make it a satisfying way for the show to end. And I can I see what you're saying as well with him getting the V1 right now, and then for him to just get it undone after one episode doesn't seem satisfying either. But also, if we're talking about this season, what exactly has been satisfying about the overall plot? So, like, one, we're gonna get an unsatis unsatisfying thing in one way, shape, or another. Just which more which unsatisfying thing do you think they're gonna lean more towards?
SPEAKER_04I want to answer both questions. So I would just think that considering this whole season has been about virus v1, like it's all kind of in a similar vein to one another. I easily think that the v1 could have been incorporated into the story earlier and would have allowed us to not just be like chasing a different McGuffin every couple of episodes. Absolutely, I think they could have done that very, very easily. As for the Homelander winning and how I could perceive that as a satisfying ending, Homelander as a character, he loves himself, but also to an extent, he does love validation and he wants people to like fear and respect him for his power. And so I feel like an ending which would be a way that he wins and loses at the same time, is if he's successful, let's say a lot of the boys die, he has v1, he is now the most powerful being in the entire world. Let's say that as a result of that, he now also loses his father and anyone else that he loves. He loses all of his support, whatever it may be. He gets what he wants by becoming the most powerful person ever, but in doing so, loses everything else. He loses everyone's support, anyone who loves him, all of that is gone. That loneliness, I think that could be an interesting way to end things on his victory that still you feel his loss. Now, that's a very similar thing to just like, oh yeah, he loses his powers and that will lose, he'll lose in the same way. Um in that regard. So I say that just to say that like it it's not necessary. I mean, I don't know. We'll see what they do and kind of go through the hypotheticals of how they could have ended it and made it more satisfying and whatnot, but I think there's a way that they could go about it with him winning and not losing his powers that still can have similar satisfaction to him losing.
SPEAKER_01True. I know you were just giving out a hypothetical, but like my response if that were the case, like I all I would see like he's the most powerful person, and like nobody likes him. Okay, what's to stop him from just go like as he said, if they released the video back in like season three, he'd just go crazy and start killing a bunch of people and destroying infrastructure and destroying the world. Like at that point, so it's just like then he still wins in a way, like he that brings him some sort of pleasure. So I don't know. I don't know.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I I guess just like I I could see it being an interesting dilemma if it's however they set it up, that like he can remain the most powerful person in the entire world if he like sacrifices soldier boy or something like that. That's an interesting dynamic because I don't like the validation from his father, he might value just as much as his power.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, fair.
SPEAKER_01I don't know. We'll see. Two episodes left. Been a disappointing final season thus far, plot-wise, episode to episode wise, enjoyable.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I like the last couple of episodes. Yeah, yeah, me too.
SPEAKER_01Um yeah, on to the true finale of the week. Daredevil born again, season two, episode eight, the season finale. Gentlemen, our thoughts in three, two, one.
SPEAKER_04Wait, you guys are lower on this than me?
SPEAKER_01I mean, I have a couple corals. I have a couple corals.
SPEAKER_02Bro, this is what I needed. No, I love.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think it was yeah, it was far.
SPEAKER_02I think it was phenomenal, dude. It was like a nine out of ten for me. Eight and a half, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, same for me. I didn't uh I I ended up not even waiting. Normally I wait to watch both episodes the next day, but I I watched Daredevil that night and I was like, ah, it's a finale, bro. I gotta get to this thing. Um right after we were and watched it. Yeah, we got away. When I was a boy. Um yeah, I think um this episode, I think it obviously is fantastic. Uh a lot of great stuff. Ben, just to get out of the way, uh, what was spoiled was uh my because we can say it now, Mike Coulter posted on Instagram a selfie of him, uh Kristen Ritter as Jessica Jones and uh Charlie Cox in in a in a fucking yeah, in an orange jumpsuit in a prison uniform.
SPEAKER_00Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_02Honestly, maybe maybe even more spoilery, like Matt literally just has like a full beard, too. So I think it might even bleed into season three like spoilers that he just posted. Oh my god, it was so funny, dude. I'm like, dude, that's crazy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he posted that like three weeks ago, bro.
SPEAKER_01Like we've we've been known, it was actually crazy.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it was wild.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was wild.
SPEAKER_04Wait, so you guys did you guys think that's how this was going to end with Matt going to prison? I thought so, yeah.
SPEAKER_02That's I did, but here's the thing I didn't know how, and I thought he would still have like the comic stuff, like his Daredevil mask in orange. And then the clip that I saw last week when we were talking, and I was like, wait, Ben, what did you see specifically? The clip that I saw was Matt telling Fisk, me and you both know that there was another person there on that boat, and that he's standing here in this room. And I turned it off and I was like, ads, dude. I turned it off and I was like, He's gonna fucking say he's Daredevil, bro. No way, so I just like stayed off of literally everything, and I just watched the episode. And as I'm getting closer to that moment, I was like, Oh, it's about to happen, dude. It's about to fucking happen, dude.
SPEAKER_04Everyone on the marketing team that does mid-season trailers needs to get fired. I can't, yeah.
SPEAKER_02It is to be fair. I don't know if it was in the trailer. Somebody literally just posted it and was like, Oh my gosh, look at this moment, literally before the episode came out. And I was like, How are they grabbing like is this a TV spot? Like, what even happened? But I'm I'm like, dude, that's the most obvious, like, he's about to reveal himself clip I've ever seen. And of course, like I'm piecing together what would make him go to jail. All right, it'd be that. So that was unfortunate, but it didn't take anything away from that fucking moment, man.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god, that was a lock-in moment. I was laying down watching it, and then as soon as he started talking, I was I was up. I literally sat up.
SPEAKER_02No, did they top did they top the I beat you moment? I don't think so in the end, but they got close 100.
SPEAKER_01They topped it.
SPEAKER_02No, you think they topped it there in the end with him? They'll talk that was a great scene.
SPEAKER_01I'll give you they did not top absolutely it's at the same level.
SPEAKER_04Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_02No, that no, that that I will say that is so fire to tie it all back to Foggy and the entire theme of this season. That being Matt saying that to Fisk in the end to tie all of Foggy's themes back from his death in season one and Matt losing himself.
SPEAKER_04Charlie, I had to take my rose tinted glasses off. This this was peak.
SPEAKER_02That moment's not better.
SPEAKER_01It's peak, it's not better.
SPEAKER_02It it is. I'm telling you, I don't know if I I don't know if I'd agree that it was better, but I took a little bit of time and then so good.
SPEAKER_04I absolutely think they did.
SPEAKER_01Well, yeah, that and yeah, I took mercy a little too a little too seriously. Kingpin just got to murder 15 people inside the building and get away with it, but yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure, bro.
SPEAKER_04Crazy. Yeah. If you're gonna be one of these people, because I I've seen people on social media talking about and be just like, he did all these terrible things and he just like ended up getting away with it.
SPEAKER_01You clearly no, I no, I know he didn't get away with it per se, but like he at the same time he fucking did though. Like it, like that the the offer for the deal came before he murdered 15 people in inside of this, like like I don't know. I don't know if the deal should stand after that. Obviously, yeah, Kingpin still lost in a way, like he doesn't get to go back to his city, and like there's the argument to be made, like, yeah, every time he goes to prison, he just works his way up this system and gets out. Okay, who's to say that he can't work his way when he has he has nothing restricting him now, other than he had to renounce his citizenship? Okay, he'll get that back in a fucking month. Like, what are we talking about, bro? Like, I just don't that's not an argument.
SPEAKER_02It is kind of crazy that like the the especially with what Matt says earlier in the season, where he's like, I have to believe that there's a little bit of justice that the system works. Like, I have to believe that a little bit of the system works, that's why I can't kill Fisk. Buddy, the system's working against you now. You're in jail and Fisk is free on a fucking beach for Christ's sakes.
SPEAKER_04Like, okay, but he also beat him, he also did legally beat Fisk. Like that moment in the courtroom.
SPEAKER_01Bro, he legally beat him in season one. Like, what are we talking about, bro? Like, it like it's the that's my point. Like, I think it's a great moment, yes, and I think it's it there's a great dichotomy there. Absolutely. Like the fact that Matt is in prison, he's sitting in his prison cell. He's clearly in a worse off situation than then Fisk, who's sitting on a fucking sunny beach, and Fisk is looking miserable and Matt's fucking smiling. Like, yeah, there's great, there's great uh poetry to that. But the like, I don't know, bro. Like beyond beyond, like he he he has beaten legally before, but I don't I don't see why this is like supposed to be any sort of wild level of different. Like it's not it's just not, it's not, bro. Like now Vanessa's dead.
SPEAKER_04I think it's different. Well, okay, I don't inherently think it's different. I will agree with you there, but Fisk had such a tight grip on the entire system surrounding presume, on the entire system surrounding the court case with Karen. Like it was his task force taking on his initiative a court that he founded to do his bidding. And even so, Matt was able to break through that and still get him punished for it for his crimes, and in and uh where he had to end up taking a plea deal and leaving. Now, you might say, ultimately, does it matter? Will Fisk come back? Yes, a hundred percent. I agree with you there that the result ends up being the same, but it's more the fact that, like, this helpless situation where it feels like Fisk has such control over the city, who's running it, what policies are being done, having the anti-vigilante task for force enacting his will, and then also controlling the courts to make sure that everything happens exactly the way that he wants it to happen. The fact that Matt was able to break into that and be successful in a legal setting, I think that is very, very well done. I will still agree with your point, but I just think that there's a little bit more to it.
SPEAKER_00Sure.
SPEAKER_01And I I agree with I agree with your point as well. I and I acknowledge that there's more to it. I just don't think that the more to it is it is still like that much vastly different. Like I don't know. I it was satisfying though, and that's what I I will give it. Even with my gripes with it, I it still felt satisfying.
SPEAKER_04I just feel like that moment gave like for Karen who's sitting there hearing Matt go on his whole spiel, I feel like that gave her hope in the justice system that like he's been trying to convince her of that all season, that like there's another way to go about it, and she hasn't really believed in that and she's been doubting that, and thinking you have to go to more extreme measures in order to enact change and to to see kind of her revelation of like no, even with Fisk having control of everything surrounding us, justice can prevail.
SPEAKER_01I think that I just don't think that they I don't I just maybe I think that they just haven't it's not that they haven't been in that sort of situation before. Like season three was largely that like Fisk had his hands in the FBI. Uh like sure he wasn't a s a a city official, a government official in any sort of big, big sense like that, but like the FBI was the anti-vigilante task force of that season, if you think about it. Like it's not like it was all that vastly different. And he's had his hands in the police force before that. So like I just don't think it's wholly, like wildly wow, this is such a different different path for for for them to take, uh, aside from him just not being a US citizen anymore, or at least a citizen of New York.
SPEAKER_04Um It's not that it's different, but like do you think that they it's it goes a little deeper than before?
SPEAKER_01No, like I and like I said, no, I acknowledge that I acknowledge that it goes that it goes deeper. Uh the the steps that had to be taken in in and of themselves, like him having to rede reveal his identity, uh him having to go to prison after the fact. Like I like of course there's there there's deeper meaning behind it. I just don't think that what transpires is I don't know enjoyable enough to to glare gloss over those those those those problems with it. Like I did have a great time and I I I agree. I still I think it's a nine out of ten, but that that one point is a is a strong one point to lose because I think that that I don't want to say egregious, but it's I think it's a problem for sure. I don't I like Matt gets more mad at uh Frank for killing people, for killing bad guys than than he did at Fisk for killing 15 New York citizens. So I don't know.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I don't know. I mean that's a good idea. I don't disagree with I don't I don't disagree with anything you're saying. But also five seasons of fighting the same guy, I mean, kind of like the just yeah, there's not much you can do. Absolutely, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Take the deal. Like if Fisk was sitting there and killed one more person right before Matt got to him, like that's not gonna change the fact that the deal's on the table, you know.
SPEAKER_01But that's my thing. I think it should. That's what that's what I that's part of what I'm saying. Is like I think I think that should change things. Like, I I think that the attorney general should maybe pull that deal. Like, I don't know. Like, I don't think that that's something that should be left on the table after 15 citizens in New York were just murdered by by this fucking super soldier.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so Kingpin hallway scene. It's crazy. Great fight scene, by the way.
SPEAKER_01Great stuff.
SPEAKER_05Boo!
SPEAKER_01Yeah. No, I uh I loved it. I don't like I I guess I don't want to like just sound like I'm just shitting on it whole wholeheartedly. Like uh obviously I I think it's great. I think it's a great moment. And I I think that that that moment when he when he's sitting there telling him like we're we're both bad for the city in in some way, shape, or form. I think that it's a great moment, yeah. I think you're tripping that it tops I beat you, but um you know everybody everybody has their own taste.
SPEAKER_04Uh I I mean I think I would need to re-watch the first three seasons and get back to that moment, but I don't know. This this was special to me.
SPEAKER_02The only reason but like I want you to know I started laughing specifically when uh Hector Ayala's daughter showed up because in that moment I was like, I did see our second.
SPEAKER_00I thought of I immediately thought of Aiden. I immediately thought when she just swings in and starts slicing on. All right, yeah, so what are we doing? Oh man.
SPEAKER_02Like, uh, have you seen the picture of that dude holding the pit bull and the pit bull is just like being choked by the call, and the dude's like post it up like that, and he's like, he's trying his hardest to make this motherfucker look vicious.
SPEAKER_01Oh god, yeah, yeah. I I hope in the future, because there's they they already said there's gonna be a time jump for season three. I hope I hope they can make her a little bit more interesting. Come come next time with Matt being in prison and everything. Now's the perfect time. We'll see. And I don't know, and and in in regards to what you said about Karen, also, I'd say I find it hard to believe that she took looked at this whole situation and came out of it like, wow, yeah, Matt was wholeheartedly right. Like, there's another way to go about it. Because, like, sure, Fisk is gone, but look at everything that Matt lost because of the way that he went about it, the way he did. His identity is now revealed, and he has to go to prison. So, like, I feel like cynical Karen is looking at that. I do think that that conversation meant something to her, like as it relates to foggy and everything, even though she wasn't there for those moments, uh, at least the ones that we saw uh from this season. But I just think that Karen wouldn't look at that as a renowning or renouncing win, like a a wholeheartedly wholehearted win, and she still find a way to pick at it and complain about it. I'm uh honestly, I I I would not be surprised if that's a talking point for her come next season.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, not that it like completely solved it for her, but I do think it was like a very important moment that like on her trial, that's when everything happened, and she could really, you know. Obviously, the lengths that that Matt had to go to revealing his identity and whatnot, but like just seeing that there's there's hope in the justice system, um even if it's not like a full solution to everything, it's at least a little bit. Yeah, very important question that I have for you guys Is this better than Invincible Season Four?
SPEAKER_02No, no, no, no, this one episode or this season?
SPEAKER_04This season, season as a whole.
SPEAKER_02I don't think so. I also don't think season four is better than season three. I think season three is untouchable. I saw an edit the other day that I was like, yeah, man, there's season three is fire, bro.
SPEAKER_00Season three is fire.
SPEAKER_02Season three of Invincible might be the best season of superhero television ever. Holy it'd be up there with um with like Daredevil season three, but that's about it. I don't think that's that crazy.
SPEAKER_01I yeah, I don't think that's crazy. I don't think that's crazy. I I well, I don't it being the absolute best, I don't uh necessarily agree with, but it's up there, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I just don't like there. I'd have to think about it, but I don't know if it would be top five. Loki season two seasons of comic book shows? No.
SPEAKER_01What the fuck would you put above it?
SPEAKER_04Daredevil season three, Loki season two.
SPEAKER_01Sure. I'll give you those are the only two penguin. What else are you gonna say here? I would give X-Men 97. Uh X-Men, I'll give you X-Men 97 as well. I prefer but you haven't seen X-Men 97, so you can't even say that.
SPEAKER_04I won't, I won't. I prefer the penguin to Invincible Season Three. I'm lower on Invincible Season 3 than you guys. I mean, I I personally I don't even think Invincible Season 3 is the best season of Invincible. I think that's season four. I even have Invincible Season 1 over season three. We've talked about this. It's my third favorite invincible season. Wow, and I I think I think I'd have this season of Daredevil above all of it, so I don't know.
SPEAKER_02All of it, every all the entire show of Invincible, you'd have Daredevil brother, get him off the fucking podcast, bro.
SPEAKER_01What the fuck did he just say? What the fuck, dude? You just this was the guy just last week, mind you, Chad. Just last week, he was like, I don't know if this season is really hitting for me like the other stuff, bro. He no, shut up, shut up. He literally said, he literally, he literally said, Well, what was it that, oh, this just it's just not as memorable. It's just like I'm not I'm not really feeling the same feelings that I felt before. Like, when at that time I was like, I mean, I think you're a little crazy. Obviously, I can't change your mind on that, but like you do you, bro. And now look at him fucking glazing it. He's glazing the entire season. Recency bias is the thing, ladies and gentlemen. It is a thing, and he is suffering from it. Holy shit. What the fuck did you just say? What did you just say, bro?
SPEAKER_04That is insane what you just said, Benjamin. Twisting my words in an insane way misrepresentation. I said it is absolute peak daredevil. I was there to praise it as much as you guys did, but that it just wasn't quite sticking with me as much as I would expect it to do for it being peak daredevil. And guess what?
SPEAKER_01Now it's the best, it's the best, it's better than all of invincible. Now a week later, it's better than all of invincible now. What? Brother, I don't know. You can't be a serious person. You can't be a serious person.
SPEAKER_04It might not go to toe toe-to-toe with season four of Invincible. I will give you that one. Do I have it above season three? Yeah, because I I have Invincible Season Three as the third best Invincible season. I'm sorry. Argue with a wall. I don't know what to tell you. This I mean the another dude, don't remove me, okay? This might be better than Daredevil season one. I'd have to read that. This might be the second best season to Daredevil.
SPEAKER_01It's better than season two, I'll give you that.
SPEAKER_04Well, I like Born Again more than Daredevil Second.
SPEAKER_01I know. I didn't like Born Again more than season two. Born again season one. Yeah, but Born Again Season Two is better than season two.
SPEAKER_04OG season two, born again season one. Toss up OG season one, born again season. That's not insane. But it's not OG season three at the top.
SPEAKER_01Like I don't think a single episode of the Foot Clan stuff. Sorry, that's that's Tina the that's Tina's Mutant Ninja Turtles. I don't think a single episode of the hand clan stuff in OG season two is anywhere as bad as that uh one episode with Mews dying uh from Born Again season one. That episode is atrocious. Like I don't I don't know, I don't know how you how you can say that that a season containing that episode is better than OG season two.
SPEAKER_04I just don't know. I'd have to go back and look at my take on it, to be honest with you.
SPEAKER_01That's crazy. Crazy, dude. I like you came to play today with your takes, man. I'll give you that. You came to play, but holy fucking I didn't think. First, you're sucking you're sucking Homelander off. I want him to win, actually. And now you're fucking sucking Daredevil off. Holy shit. Last week he was fucking shitting on the show, ladies and gentlemen. Look at him now.
SPEAKER_04Fuck, man. This misrepresentation is just crazy. Honestly, blow me and be accurate with my points, because I don't know what I'm saying that's so crazy. Like, I don't know. I don't I don't feel like it's insane. Maybe just Invincible Season 3.
SPEAKER_01I was not episodes one, two, and three of this season of Daredevil. Great stuff, man. Fantastic stuff. You're right, man.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, episodes one, two, three of Invincible Season Four. Episodes one, two, three, four, five of Invincible.
SPEAKER_01I don't I don't know what that point is because I'm not I'm not saying I'm not a champion for season four. I mean I am in to to a certain sense, but I'm not saying that it's the best season. Episodes one, two, and three of season three? Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah, buddy.
SPEAKER_04Like, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_01All right, okay, dude.
SPEAKER_04Invincible four, one, three, two.
SPEAKER_02Come on. Crazy, blasphemous. There's there's literally powerplex, invincible war, conquest fight, plus the uh filler uh time travel episode, plus the first uh the first three episodes of season. Cecil backstory, the Cecil stuff, Cecil and Mark, Debbie. Yeah, but I don't know, man.
SPEAKER_01You're you're you're kind of crazy. You're lost, pal. You are so lost. It's crazy. You guys just the aura loss that you've had this one episode is actually just fucking. I don't think you'll ever recover. I don't think you'll ever recover, man. Dude, I I want to personally go and make clips of this shit so people can clown on you. Like it's actually crazy.
SPEAKER_04I like that. Listen, maybe there's recency bias, maybe I need to rewatch all of Invincible and all of Daredevil. That's just how I feel. Also, the the Invincible season three being one of the best seasons in all of comic book TV show history. Maybe yeah. That could be a crazy take.
SPEAKER_01I'd I'd be willing to admit that that's a crazy take.
SPEAKER_04But Daredevil season one, Daredevil season three, Penguin.
SPEAKER_02What, that season three is the best show or the best season of the Yeah, that it's the best.
SPEAKER_01I'd be willing to admit that that's a crazy take. That it's the absolute best. But uh be it being up there, I don't think it's crazy.
SPEAKER_04No, I don't think that's crazy either. I think the You said it's not even top five. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm like top ten, sure.
SPEAKER_01I think that's I think it's crazy to say it's not top five. I think that's sorry, unless you're five again. I think I interrupted you.
SPEAKER_04Well, it's not in any particular order, but I think in a top ten, invincible season one, three, and four would all be there. I think the penguin would be there, OG Daredevil one and three would be.
SPEAKER_01Alright, yeah, you left off, you left off on penguin. So, okay, you have you have you have Daredevil and uh Loki season two and penguin. What's what's the other two?
SPEAKER_04Um OG Daredevil season one and three.
SPEAKER_01Um those are the other two? Because we're going off seasons.
SPEAKER_04Again, I'm just listing off like what would be in my top ten. I don't know if there's any particular. I just want the five. I just want the because I interrupted you when you were doing the five. Okay, if I had to pick five. I honestly a lock is Loki season two and the penguin. I love those to death. Okay. I think they're incredible. Uh Daredevil season three has to be there. Um I would go I think Invincible season four. I think I would have that there.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_04And then the fifth spot is probably between Invincible Season 1 and a Daredevil season. Like, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01But then like in the Dark Not Daredevil season one, because you just you just put Daredevil 1 again season two above season one.
SPEAKER_04I said back and forth. I'm I'm not I'm not deciding it would probably be a Daredevil season, but then like next up is is Invincible Season 3, The Punisher season one, um, which I have recently rewatched.
SPEAKER_01I haven't rewatched, I haven't watched that in a minute.
SPEAKER_04So season one I think is phenomenal.
SPEAKER_01I'm not inclined to agree with that.
SPEAKER_04Season two is a bit of a stinker, but you haven't seen X-Men 97, so yeah, that's fair.
SPEAKER_02But I mean, yeah, I think the only the only one I'm willing to put above it confidently uh is Daredevil season three.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I think like clear clearly though, Daredevil as a whole and invincible as a whole are the two best comic book shows that we've ever gotten. Sure. And Invincible just gonna be getting better. Am I redeeming myself a little bit?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, man. You you basically you need to be on you need to be on Fraud Watch for the next couple weeks.
SPEAKER_00Holy shit. That is crazy. That was actually insane, man.
SPEAKER_04No, it's season one of Punisher is really good. Uh with Billy and whatnot. But Billy Butcher.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, from what I from what I the couple things I remember, sure.
SPEAKER_04I mean, maybe it's egregious to it wouldn't go, it wouldn't be top five, but would it be the showrunner for the for Born Again worked on Punisher season one?
SPEAKER_01I don't know if he was the showrunner of that show, but yeah.
SPEAKER_04Um, and then uh Eben Mas Back Rack was in that as micro. Um, I I I really like that then here's a lot. Yeah, that's crazy. It would be a bit lower, but it would probably sneak into the top 10 of seasons.
SPEAKER_01Um I you got an interesting list, man. I'm sorry, you got an interesting list. I was just I'll just leave it at that. I don't want to flip, I'm done flaming you, man. I don't want to flame you anymore.
SPEAKER_04I was actually like I was about to say between that and then Aiden's comment just now about micro, like, have I upset you guys? Did I do something? What okay?
SPEAKER_01Don't go don't go all soft on me.
SPEAKER_00Sorry, I'm doing it for the content, bro.
SPEAKER_01I'm doing it for the content.
SPEAKER_00Double meeting. Golly, did I upset you guys? Holy shit.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you've pissed me off, actually.
SPEAKER_00No cap on God, bro.
SPEAKER_02Um cap on God, bro.
SPEAKER_01Uh, back to the episode discussion, I guess. Yeah, yeah. Back to the episode discussion. Um, I loved still having uh Jessica Jones here, even though I mean she even had a little action interaction with uh with Wilson with Kingpin. Uh that was a little I don't know why he said it like that. Like as if she'd be working with somebody else. Uh he he said uh interesting the cho the sides you've chosen, or he said something like that, who you've chosen to align yourself with, I think is what he said. She said, keep stepping. Uh and turns out Luke Cage is the uh one that was working with Charles. Uh a lot of people on the internet aren't gonna like that because they said Luke Cage would never do that. Luke Cage just did, buddy. Um and now Bullseye's going off to work with him. And we I I saw in an interview with uh Wilson Bethel that he will be back in season three. He hasn't read much of what he's uh gonna be doing, so uh, but he will be back in season three. And we also know that I don't think this is a spoiler for Benjamin. I think that yeah, no, yeah, discussing film posted this. Uh Iron Fist is coming back as well. Um, so that'll be cool. Um and I don't know.
SPEAKER_04I'll be honest. I'm I'm on the fence about all this. I don't want to Daredevil Born Again season three. I don't want that to become the defenders.
SPEAKER_01Sure. I don't think I think I like what they're doing, they'll be in it as much as Jessica Jones was in this season.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I'm fine with that. I just want it to be Daredevil centric, and not just like, oh, this is an excuse to give all of these characters another season of their shows.
SPEAKER_01I did also see that they said they're gonna be doing different Daredevil villains from the comics as well in season three.
SPEAKER_02So Lady Muse, let's go, guys.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Lady Muse will be one of them. So technically just Muse, but but yeah, Lady, but yeah. So maybe technically different villain, but also same villain. Um and then what there's one other thing I was gonna say. What was it? What was it? Oh, um, overunder on him being in uh Spider-Man brand new day now. Do we think that's why Peter's in a prison?
SPEAKER_02Under, no. I I think he is 100% in the movie. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I like that.
SPEAKER_04I think there could be a I guess I need to reword it. I think there could be a conversation with him in prison.
SPEAKER_01But you don't think he's like the one edited out of that shot fighting the hand or anything?
SPEAKER_04No, and I don't think that Spider-Man's like breaking him out of prison.
SPEAKER_01Sure.
SPEAKER_04Other people are theorizing that as well. Yeah. I don't think it's either of those two things. But do I think that there could be a conversation?
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Okay.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I I think he he I I don't know, he has to be in the movie. Like, I feel like of course he's in the movie. Has to. I mean, I just want Daredevil in the film. Imagine, bro.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. The first time Punisher's in a movie, also the first time Daredevil's in a movie. Bang, bro. Bang.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's like you got Daredevil, you got Hulk. I mean, yeah, throw Matt in there too, and he's already this would be a Spider-Man movie before. Um, yeah, do it, man. Why not? I think it'd be it, it makes perfect, it makes perfect sense.
SPEAKER_01Um real quick, gotta shit on the Heather arc again, because it's just fucking atrocious. I know we just talked about Lady Muse, but like as we talked about in the past, there could have been so many good things with this, but they just fucking I don't know if they rushed it or if they just didn't care to actually give it any semblance of nuance whatsoever. But watching her put on the mask at the end of this did nothing for me. I just like, yeah, okay. Yeah, I knew I knew that's where you were going, but you made me feel nothing for it. So yeah. Um yeah. Also didn't really love that there wasn't that much buck in this episode. Uh I would have loved to see him like more of his reaction to I guess we didn't really need more than we got. Like, we got that moment of him walking into the office and Fisk Fisk asks him about Daniel, and he just gives his answer and I think in a regretful way, but I don't know.
SPEAKER_04I mean he got shot, but yeah, he wasn't.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, he got shot. So he ended up after that.
SPEAKER_04He was kind of yeah, but he wasn't really a part of the conversation very much after that point.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Like I don't why would why would bullseye do that too, by the way? Like the the guy says you get ready to take the shot. Daredevil's walking out, and then uh he's like, sorry, pal, wrong bullseye. Why would you do that? You just lost your element of like what the fuck?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I don't know. Uh yeah, I bro, there was a moment like dead middle of this episode that I just got like the craziest whiplash where things are going great. This is like there's no corny dialogue, like uh courtroom scene is hitting, all of this stuff is just going great. And then I felt like we hit a brick wall for like a span of five minutes where you have the task force just like having some fighting in front of the entire audience of people there. Uh and we have this like corny moment where you get we got like a switch up a betrayal where he just like kind of uh fucks him up and then he just lets everybody in there and all the task force just listens to him. I'm supposed to be under the impression that the task force is horrible. They listen to Fist, they like you know that they are all like uh Powell, I think his name is, and then they just completely all listen to this dude. He's like, Let them in. Everyone gets in, and they all get killed, like they all just get their asses handed to them. The scene right after that is Heather punching this dude in the throat and like doing her like don't ever touch whatever she's yeah, her muse boss moment, like get the fuck out of here, bro. I I was like, dude, I feel like we've hit a wall. This I was like, please, please don't keep this up for the rest of the episode. Luckily, they saved it, having the Daredevil and Fisk moment, and you know, having a uh a great action sequence with Fisk uh killing everybody and um you know ending with the prison scene. But man, for a moment there, I was like, dude, this is so bad. Like, please don't just start to throw everything at the wall to wrap up storylines. I was like, I already had to deal with Hector Yala's fucking daughter bouncing around everywhere like she's in a fucking pit bull or something. Two seconds, two seconds is enough, man. Fucking horrible.
SPEAKER_01Um, I I did love the moment too when the cops came to arrest him, like he heard him from a while away, and Karen saw him realize, or Karen saw him uh hear, hear them. And uh they say that she they say they love each other, and then he gets on, he gets down, puts his hands up. Um and I love like his lawyer, he's I used to be a lawyer. He says, I I waive the advisement, not the rights. I don't know, just great stuff, good stuff, good little, good little Matt Murdoch stuff.
SPEAKER_02And an incredible final shot of him. Yeah. And Fisk muttering under his breath so that Matt can hear him from the other courtroom. Oh my god, bro.
SPEAKER_04That was so fire.
SPEAKER_01Oh, it was so that whole interaction, it was so URL, and I love how they twisted it on his head too, because like he says, I could I could say something in this courtroom that would ruin your life, and then he's like, he just does it, and Matt does it himself. Like, I just that's so fire. Yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, uh, dude, whenever he throws his baton and catches it and looks back at Fisk, like almost like crying, like almost teary-eyed, yeah, like he's just so exhausted. Like, this is what I this is what it's come to, this is what I have to do.
SPEAKER_04Dude, I I'll be honest, I teared up when he uh oh yeah, 100% when he revealed himself. Yeah, it was just like we were just hitting beat for beat, just absolute peak. And then he, I'm just like, he's gonna do it, he's actually gonna do it. And then he did, and I'm like, oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01Do we feel good about that that he did it?
SPEAKER_02Like, do we feel like yeah, I feel like it's going forward. Where where else are you really gonna go? Like, how else can you it's like the foggy stuff. How else can you spice up this story and justify you know, retelling this or using the same characters to tell this story? Like, where do you go from here?
SPEAKER_01And I think this is because it's been five seasons, like we've had five seasons of a secret identity, you know.
SPEAKER_02So, like, yeah, I think this is a good, uh, like a refreshing spot to take it. I don't I don't hate this at all. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I'm I'm a fan of it as long as they don't reverse it, like they I don't know. You can't, I don't think you should undo it like they're doing with Spider-Man, which is like fine. Um, because like the whole thing with Spider-Man is like he has to sacrifice in order to save the multiverse. Um, but it also in a way feels like hey, let's have another excuse for Spider-Man's identity to be secret again. Like that's yeah, that's definitely an element of it, and I I just hope that they don't continue doing that.
SPEAKER_00Sure.
SPEAKER_01Uh well we will uh we will see with season three, which ideally most likely is coming out next year. So around this same time, we're gonna have Invincible and Daredevil week after week again, hopefully. Um the boys, though, unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on how the last this last season goes. These last two episodes go, I should say. Um but for those of you out there, thank you so much for watching or listening. If you're on YouTube, I'd like to remind you that every single episode we read all of our comments from this episode aloud. Not just from this episode, but next episode, we will read all the comments under this episode. Uh Benjamin will specifically will be reading those. So if you want Benjamin to say something, go ahead and say it down below. Um if you're on YouTube also, uh hit the like button, please. It helps uh push our content out. So other people like you might find it and watch it and fall in love with us. Um also hit the subscribe button, hit the notification notification bell because we are posting new episodes every single week. I think we're on a tear right now. I don't think we've missed a week in quite a while now. Um if you're on Spotify or any other podcast listening platform like Apple Music, uh, you can also drop us a rating. We sincerely appreciate that. I'm sure that helps us in some way. I don't really know how it helps us, but I'm sure it does. Or you could give us a bad rating. That might also help us because people want to hate on us. All publicity is good publicity. So do whatever you want to do. I don't really care. Uh I'm just kidding, I do care. That's bad. I shouldn't say that. I do care. Um, thank you all so much for watching or listening. I hope you have a great day, evening, afternoon, night, whatever time you're listening to this. With that being said, we'll see you guys next time. Adios.
