Attack On Titan Review From A New Watcher | WFTN #139

Charley has finally watched Attack On Titan after years of trying to convince him to and his review was... interesting. Listen to what a first time viewer has to say about seasons 1-3!! Along with our review of Obsession, The Boys S5, and Punisher. We're getting versatile folks!! Let us know if you agree or disagree with any of our takes and drop a comment to be read out loud next week!!

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0:00 Intro/Comments
6:05 Attack On Titan Talk
49:00 Box Office Rundown

1:11:10 Punisher: One Last Kill
1:31:40 The Boys S5 Penultimate Episode Review
1:55:00 Obsession Review
2:30:00 First 5 Star Movie Of The Year
2:32:00 Outro

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome back, everybody. Words from the Nerds Podcast here. We're back for another amazing episode coming at you weekly for some more amazing content. All of the fun, nerdy news, TV shows, movies, and more. My name is Ben. I am, of course, joined by my two lovely co-hosts, Aiden and Charlie. I'll get to them in a second. First things first, like, comment, and subscribe if you are new here. For the comments, if you do leave something on this video, we go through them every single week, read through them, and any topics of conversation or questions that we get, we discuss them. So hopping into last week's episode with some of the comments there. We have 11 comments from Memish, as well as an additional reply on one of them from Brandon. So gonna group these together a little bit. First one as expected, but still appreciated. Hashtag best podcast ever. Bless up Memish. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_00 1:03

Never expected. Never expected. What the fuck are you talking about?

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Never expected. I expect I expect the support from from Mimish at this point, to be honest. I mean, it's it doesn't make it less special, but I I still think it's gonna happen every episode. The day that we don't see that, that's unexpected. That'll be sad.

SPEAKER_04 1:24

Yeah, I just don't want Memish to feel like he has to. I don't want you to feel like you have to, Mimish. All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

Yeah, he he does. I mean, yeah, you do, man. Yeah, keep it coming. And then there was a uh a grouping of comments all about obsession. The first one saying hashtag obsession is the best film of 2026 so far. Another one, obsession has rocked my world, guys. And then finally, can we talk about the score in Obsession? The composer did such a great job to the point. I had to DM him saying, Wow, the fact that this was like a 750k budget was actually a motivation for me. I just have a huge urge to do more horror shorts since it's what I love. Words from the nerds short film when question. Uh, we will be talking about obsession later, but I don't know if the three of us are really capable of doing anything quite like that. It sounds fun. Um, I I used to think that I wanted to get into something with like filmmaking, but I don't know. It's such a hard thing to actually do. So um, yeah, but we'll be we'll be talking about obsession here in just a little bit. Uh this next one is kind of aimed more at Charlie. Says, can I just say I feel like I'm a positive guy when it comes to shows slash films, but I want to say thank you guys so much for never mentioning that absolute dog water of a show called Euphoria. Hashtag best podcast ever. Uh, which Charlie has mentioned briefly a couple of times since he's been for some reason watching the show.

SPEAKER_04 3:11

For some reason, it's just because I like to watch stuff, Benjamin. I know that you're a you're a fake uh consumer of content, okay? I'm actually out here getting down to the nitty-gritty and the the real stuff. All right. You just want to sit back and watch whatever popular thing some uh people are talking about at that that that time and the place, but guess what, man? Me, I'm on the ground. I'm getting down in the nitty-gritty.

SPEAKER_01 3:38

I understand how things are down and dirty with euphoria. Is that what you're saying right now?

SPEAKER_04 3:42

Yeah, man. Just watched uh yesterday's episode. Yeah.

unknown 3:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:49

Uh, you like watching stuff, so have you watched the movies that you have to watch as a pun?

SPEAKER_04 3:55

No, I haven't been. And you know fucking why? And you know fucking why? Because I've been watching Attack on Titan, bitch. I've been watching Attack on Fucking Titan. I'm at the end of season three, bitch. That's what I've been fucking doing.

SPEAKER_05 4:09

I've been grinding that shit.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

I've been grinding that shit, bro.

SPEAKER_01 4:13

Okay, we gotta do this like one one more memish comment, and then the rest of them are all attack on Titan. So we'll go through them and then I'll let you guys kind of go from there. But the last non-attack on Titan comment from Memish says, Can we get a high MJ vocal from each of the casts? Let's see who has the best itch. Charlie, go ahead, lead us away. Hold us first.

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Fuck.

SPEAKER_04 4:49

I don't even know if my mic's gonna pick it up. So if like it cuts out, then like just know that I'm doing it really high, but my mic's just not picking it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have the deepest voice of all of us, okay?

SPEAKER_01 5:03

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

I can't do that shit, bro.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

Banger. Alright, are we going for the highest or the best? It says best pitch. Dude, that pitch was so off. Best pitch. Oh my friend's remote. And you know what?

SPEAKER_01 5:39

Your mic actually picked up like the whole thing. Whereas Charlie Did mine actually cut out?

SPEAKER_03 5:44

Yeah, definitely. For most of it.

SPEAKER_01 5:47

Alright.

SPEAKER_03 5:54

I think I heard that echo in your room. I feel like I heard that echo.

SPEAKER_02 5:59

I think it was terrible. What a moment.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

All right, gonna zoom through these. Some of these are timed stamped comments with him talking about specific attack on Titan things. So let me just go through these in kind of chronological order. First one saying, wait, you started attack on Titan. OMG Charlie, your world is gonna be rocked. The next one saying, Yo, I might have a cheeky hot take. I'm not a huge fan of Mikasa. Mikasa Mikasa. Like she's cool and all, but she actually pisses me off more than me loving her. For me, it's and this is his ranking he's giving, which is Levi Erwin. And then he says, Oh my god, Irwin has his name twice. Great character building, though. Uh, and then is it Reiner or Rainer? Reiner. Reina, yeah. Reiner. Uh, and then after that says, Whoa, whoa, whoa, Aiden. Worst part of the show is season one middle part. I have to vividly disagree, my friend. My rankings for the seasons are season two, season one, season three, season four, then the finale, saying there's too many parts with the finale, so I slapped it all in one.

SPEAKER_02 7:25

Yeah, that's I I think that's still kind of blasphemous. I think the show I I finished it um over the weekend. I that's why I haven't been able to start Chuck because I wanted to finish Attack on Titan because Charlie asked about watching my reactions, and I was like, the only reason he'd be asking is if he's at least done with season two. So I was on to you. I knew that you had that you were chugging away.

SPEAKER_04 7:46

How did you know that? Wait, how would how would you know that?

SPEAKER_02 7:49

Just based off of it was it was either the female Titan arc at the end of season one or it was Rina and Bear Tolt. I was like, those are the only two moments I feel like he would have wanted to go seek out a reaction. Other than that, the build of of the beginning, the beginning and middle of season one, there's not really anything that you'd want to go like seek out, um, unless it were anything with the female titan or some season two action. So I ended up finishing the tackle titan. I was just like, you know what, I'm not gonna record a reaction. I I need to finish this because I'm gonna have to see how it ends, talk about it, whatever. So um I finished it, and I I I'm trying to find his um his ranking here, but I think the and I've I've gone back and forth on this. Season two is amazing. I think the seasons only get better as you go. I could the only thing I was thinking about was I think season three, there's an argument season three is better than season four. I personally like season four and then three, two, one. I think it I think they just get better as you go. But um I think having season four, which I don't know if this if his if he was going from best to worst, um if he's saying that season two is the best, then season one, then three and four, I think is crazy. If he's saying it's season four, three, one, and two, I still think that's crazy because I think season two is dang near perfect. But uh either way, Mimish, I I disagree, man. I think you're tripping a little bit. I think it goes in order from worst to best, one, two, three, four. I I could see an argument for one, two, four, three, but I mean, uh we'll see. We'll see.

SPEAKER_04 9:33

What are you specifically talking about in like the mid part of season one that you don't like? Which part of that?

SPEAKER_02 9:41

Um, they do a lot of the time jumps, a lot of the training, right? We get the we get a lot of the going out there, and um so the in-between are you talking about the two colossal titan attacks? Yes. Um, well, I I think what for me it really picked up with the female titan arc when they go out and they encounter the female titan, that and then the rest of season one, and then from Aaron, from episode one to um Aaron finally becoming a scout. That middle part in between both of those moments is and I'm I say it's the slowest part of the entire show because the entire show's is so peak. Uh, that is like kind of the only moment that is just like kind of slow. There's not a ton going on, you're still world building, you're still setting the tone, and then from then on out, you get to play around with the rhino and bear hold moments and things like that. So that is what I meant by I think it's the slowest. Okay. Okay, so take me through season one. All right, from when we left off, uh, when we got your thoughts last week to the end of season one. Take me through your your viewing of that, your thoughts, what you were thinking.

SPEAKER_04 11:02

Well, I I it's interesting. I I asked you why you thought that I wanted to see a reaction to that stuff. Because in reality, what I actually wanted to see react like the first thing that happened, I was like, I need to see what Aiden thought when he was watching this, was just Aaron getting eaten and then him turning into a Titan. Yes, yes, yes, yes. That's not yes, that's literally it. Like when I saw that, I was like, what the that is crazy. I mean, I know I knew Aaron had to be alive. I mean, I didn't I don't know anything about the show, but I I just I can get the sense that he's the main character. So I'm like, all right, there's no way he's not dead, but I still just want to see what Aiden thought about this. Um but I mean when I when I saw I I want to say I had a feeling that that was Aaron when I when that Titan first started punching the other titans right in right above Mikasa, I was like, because honestly, for me, it's the hair, bro, on all these Titans. You can kind of get an idea, bro. They they really just show you with the hair, and I was like, I mean, there's a lot of people with black hair in this show, but like that kind of looks like Aaron a little bit, not the face, but just like the hair, it's a little bit longer, obviously, than Aaron's, but I was just like, I don't know, that that that kind of gives me that vibe. But then still, like seeing him emerge from it and everything was still a really cool moment. Um gosh, and I I I mean I'm jumping ahead a little bit, but just it it it talks back to season one stuff and everything like that, specifically with like Marco and everything like that. Like, I just watched that uh episode where like we see what happened um and it's like that kind of stuff is just crazy to me. Like it adds so much context to to moments back then that uh it I guess maybe to put it in simple terms, the reason I think I like it so much is like I'm comparing it to something like the the boys right now, where it seems like the boys very much not to talk about uh this episode yet. I don't want to, I know we're gonna talk about that later in the episode, but the boys, it's very evident so far that they have they were just flying by the seat of their parents, making shit up as they went, even though they had comics to follow along with. But versus this, like they it's like they had the ideas ver from the very start and they knew how to get to those, and they knew how they were gonna call back to them eventually in the in the future. And it's just like like it, it's so well strung together, and you see how like any questions you might have, you you you can trust that eventually they're going to get answered, which maybe that's a little bit of an annoying thing for me, is like a lot of the time I'm like, dude, I just I want to know about that. Like, fucking like tell me, like let me let me know and let me let me find out what happened. Uh that kind of stuff is a little annoying to me. And uh obviously there's little things like Aaron is still even in season three now, uh, but from season one and on, especially, like he's still like a wide ass. Like, Aaron, lock the fuck in, brother. You're top, like you are top dog, especially after learning you're top, top dog. Like, you need to be locking in right now, bro. Not like, eat me, please. Oh my god, just eat me. Like, stop, bro. What are you doing? And then also, like every time that he finds out one of the fucking, like one of their friends is is a Titan, like, no, it can't be them. Everybody else is like, we're universally deciding, yep, it's them. Aaron's like, no, no, guys, it can't be. Trust me. Like, shut up, bro, please. Um, but uh I I don't know, man. Season one, like, dude, the Annie revelation to me, I was like, holy shit. Like the way they handled that, like you the audience doesn't know until after our main characters know. And I love that. I love how that all comes to fruition. They're trying to lead her down into the fucking uh into the underground caves and everything like that. And she's like, no, I don't think I want to do that. This place, this place is seemingly, luckily for us, just completely abandoned. And then we start seeing all the people hiding everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 14:51

I'm like, what the fuck's happening with and they're they're all just hiding behind roofs, and Armin's like, Annie, please, just come on. And I was like, Oh my god, dude, no way.

SPEAKER_04 15:04

So fucking good. Um, and then season two. Uh honestly, for some reason, see most of season two is a blur for me, other than of course, like the very end with with Aaron and uh the new ability he he learns. Um, and then of course, oh my gosh, just yeah, I was about to say, is it a blur? Well, well, I mean, just like that last little part, but uh is not like a fucking Ervin, like advance, and he gets his he gets fucking picked up, and everyone's like, Commander, I said advance, god damn it.

SPEAKER_03 15:37

Oh fuck, bro, that was up, bro.

SPEAKER_02 15:40

That was so fucking fire. Like Captain America doesn't have shit on Commander Erwin, bro. Oh my god, bro.

SPEAKER_04 15:47

That shit, like, listen, I okay, here's my my piece with it, and like I understand it though, even though I'm saying this. I I love Erwin. I do, trust me, I do. But like I okay, and I and I want to preface this. This is the up to what I've seen, I I saw Armin get the shot and not him. So that's the last episode I've watched. Um so I know that he's dead, but I mean I don't know if maybe maybe they do something else. I don't know, but what I want to say about Erwin, like that scout that brings him back and like has somewhat of a point of like Ervin is is is is the devil and like he he needs to he can't leave this hell, he has to experience it some more. I think obviously that's vindictive, and I don't I don't agree with that guy, but I I do think he has a point in like the decisions that Erwin makes, I understand them from a tactical advantage or from a tactical standpoint, just because like that's what he has to do to keep people alive, but like it it ends up getting so many other people killed. And I in in just in terms of leadership, I like it that's where I struggle with him, is like versus someone like Captain America or because I also watched your video where you were like uh I rewatched your video because I watched it back when you posted it, because I was like, I'm never gonna watch the show, I don't give a fuck. Um, but uh like what you said about Optimus Prime and and everybody like that, like they would do everything in their power uh not to let people die, specifically like the people on their own team, but just people in general. Uh and like I think though those are different styles of leadership for sure. Uh and I think that one can make the argument also that Erwin's is a more realistic approach because like there are going to be casualties, like, and you just have to make those sacrifices at some point along the way. But like, I don't know, there's some things that I I just I don't know that I can exactly uh agree with him on, but I still appreciate him as a character.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

Yeah, yeah. I I I linken it back to like what he says in his speeches and even the moment where Mike, where we Yes, I can say this, where we the Beast Titan. I'll I'll come back to this. Yeah, where we first get introduced to the Beast Titan, and um no no no, this is completely different. No, it's season one where the guy is dying and Levi is like consoling him, and he's like, Levi, just please tell me that my efforts like further advance the cause. Tell me that my death means something here, and I think that's what all of this boils down to, especially with um uh I can't say that yet, especially with like everything happening in the walls. Uh you kind of just have to develop that mindset where Commander Erwin's like nothing changes what a speeding rock does to a body, right? Like nothing changes that, yeah. Um but that was a great speech as well. Exactly. Like your comrades like don't let their death be in vain, you know. Like they gave their life to um for this moment right here for you to go out there and try to make a difference. And when they went out there, it opened the door for Levi to, you know, just absolutely slime the fuck out of it. But I like I'm I'm getting too far ahead of myself, but I think that's like his big thing is your heart and soul to the cause, literal heart and soul to the cause. There will be casualties, you are gonna die.

SPEAKER_04 19:31

And uh like to talk a group of people into just willfully killing themselves like willfully dying, yes. Oh, yeah, 100%. And I I want to there like there is something to say about all that, like 100 and the way that they built his character up is why, dude. And I didn't even I I said that that's the last episode I watched, but like I literally watched it last night before I went to bed to to to to go to work today. I was freaking out, bro, because like what like what is the choice? Like, I truly don't know. I like there are pros to every to both of these choices, and like I I I see one, I see one path, and honestly, I think I was leaning more towards the Erwin path because and like even though like Aaron's right, we would not have be anywhere anywhere close to where we are without Armin. But just both like without Ervin's like iron fucking will to just persist, like we also wouldn't be where we are. That's why it's such a fucking tough thing. And I I do love what Levi ends up saying though. Um, that like this is hell, and we almost just and he finally escaped it, and we almost just brought him back for more. Like, fuck, bro. Like, that's I mean, he's fucking right. Like, I don't know, dude. This is some fucking good shit. You should have fucking pushed harder. That's all I'm saying, bro. You should have pushed harder, right?

SPEAKER_02 20:58

I fucking tried, dude. Uh it real quick, because you said season two is a blur, bro. The rhina and bear hold mode.

SPEAKER_04 21:06

Where we learn about them or or yeah, were they just transformed?

SPEAKER_02 21:09

Oh, yeah, they just casually do it.

SPEAKER_04 21:11

No, no, yeah, because they're just talking on the fucking wall, bro. They he's like, Aaron, we gotta talk to you for a second, buddy. And they're like, All right, man, I'm the armored titan, he's the colossal titan. I'm like, wait, what?

SPEAKER_02 21:21

What the fuck? Did you have any inkling that they were like titans or that no, not not a fucking clue, bro?

SPEAKER_04 21:28

I don't know, I didn't know who any of the like like when uh when Emir jumped off the fucking castle and she turned into a titan. I was like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 21:36

Dude, that moment, like uh that is like it completely caught me off guard because in the in the video, I don't know if you watched it. In the video, I am literally like, oh man, a hero sacrifice, and then she pulls because she grabs a knife. I'm like, she's just gonna try and like kill the titans, like she's just gonna sacrifice herself. So, like, uh a hero sacrifice, and then she cuts, and I was like, Oh, oh. Shit, I'm like jumping everywhere. I was like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 22:03

Dude, it's so like it's so funny, too. Well, you go first.

SPEAKER_02 22:09

They will die. They will die.

SPEAKER_04 22:11

See, okay. Here. I don't know. I had like my thought on that because I I was looking in your comments, and I was trying to be careful because I know a lot of people are gonna spoil stuff, which I did get something spoiled for me, but ironically, it was not from your comments. It was from uh, you know how TikTok does the no, no, no, it wasn't that edit. It wasn't that it was on one of your videos, but it was you know how TikTok does like that at the bottom of the screen. You can click on what people search for the most, and it was uh Aaron finds out Zeke is his brother. I'm like, who the fuck is Zeke? I don't even know who the fuck that is.

SPEAKER_02 22:43

I I had that spoiled for me before I started the show. Okay, it's not it's not uh it's not that big, yeah. It's not that big a deal.

SPEAKER_04 22:52

I didn't even really care to begin with, but but that I mean that's cool then. I I I I definitely still don't care. Um But it's funny because I I look at your uh your yeah, I was looking in your comments, and there's people saying like telling you as you're watching the show early on, they're like, there's no such thing as plot armor in this show, so get ready. Uh and like I I don't know, yes and no. Like I feel like I feel like they just do other things to like write around uh what's the word I just said? Plot plot armor? Plot armor, thank you. Oh my gosh. Uh I feel like they just do other things to write around plot armor, like i.e. Levi doesn't do anything in season two because his legs hurt. Like, uh like I don't know what was the point of that just because like we are you set up Levi's this badass and you just didn't want him to be a part of anything. Um, and I guess like you look at someone like Armin, who despite will un he's unwilling to uh kill a Titan whatsoever. He is not I don't think he slashed a single nape. Maybe he has, maybe he's maybe slashed one, but like, dude is unwilling to do anything in combat, yet he goes on every single big mission there is, and he comes out completely unscathed, apart from this last one. Uh, but that like that kind of stuff is a little, uh, I don't know, man. But which is fine. I don't like I'm not saying that I even have a problem with it, but I just I don't want to say I I just don't think that we should uh as the fans of the show should be going around, there's no plot armor in this show, bro. Don't even don't even worry about it. Like, like, I mean, there's certain characters, like uh the ones that did die, like like Marco and uh uh who else who else died early on? Um there was one there was one other black-haired dude, I feel like. I don't even remember because they're so forgettable. That's the thing, they're forgettable characters. I kind of assumed they would die. Like, I feel like people like uh like Connie. I like Connie, Connie's not forgettable, but I I could see Connie dying. Like, I don't think Connie's like that that deep in the cut where where Connie's gonna fucking live forever. I don't know. Maybe that's just like my my own outlook on it. But anyway, I wanted to say I I find that funny what you just said about your reaction to the Ymir thing and everything like that. Because also in your comments, almost in like every video, there's somebody saying, uh, there's no way this is a first reaction. There's no way. Like they think you're just lying about it the whole fucking time. Like that's just funny. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 25:27

Uh so we get to so season two. Yes, I love season two. The commander Erwin stuff is awesome. Uh, the Rhina and Bear Tolt reveal, like it's 12 episodes, it's short, it's sweet. It's the um the beast titan. We get to see the beast titan a little bit. Uh wait, actually, at this point, do we see the beast titan? Yes, we do. We see the beast titan. Uh, and then season three. Um I'm uh season three. I did not like the first three episodes. Okay, it starts with the humans versus humans arc and uh Kenny stuff. Yeah, okay. Um, and then we have the return to Shiganshana arc, which I still think is uh don't tell me it's the best.

SPEAKER_04 26:08

Is it the best of the show?

SPEAKER_02 26:10

It's either this one or the first, like the first like bat, like the first ten episodes of season four. Okay. I just want to know that there's a lot more I just want to know there's a lot more good shit as all no no season four is just like it doesn't stop, like there is not a single moment of rest. But the return to Shiganshana Arc has like three episodes back to back to back that are like genuine 10 out of 10 episodes, and I think it's uh perfect game, hero and midnight sun. It's no oh I think I just watched Midnight Sun. Um that's the one I just watched. Oh dude, oh my god, you still have like I'm looking at the rest of the episodes The Basement, That Day, Attack Titan, other stuff.

SPEAKER_04 27:01

Oh, I can't wait to go to the cellar, bro. I cannot wait.

SPEAKER_02 27:04

Oh my oh, dude, oh my god, you don't even know.

SPEAKER_04 27:07

Yeah, I don't know what's in the cellar, bro. I don't know what's in the cellar.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

Oh my god, dude, it's gonna be so good. Anyways, the uh first batch of episodes in season four, I think um all the way up to I mean, honestly, every single episode of season four is so good, but there is a moment episode from the beginning of the season to uh episode 70, maybe like yeah, the first 10 episodes, exactly the first 10 episodes, it is um all gas, no breaks. It is probably my favorite arc, but the return to Shiganshina arc is amazing. Um, so you get through the beginning of season three and then you hit the return to Shiganshina arc. One of my favorite moments is them all standing on the wall and everyone cheering them on because they're like, we're gonna go back to Shiganshina, we're gonna find the seller. And they are all just like, wow, like we're being cheered right now. Like they are like tearing up. That is like so underrated.

SPEAKER_03 28:01

It's one of my favorite moments in the fucking puts his arm up and shuts, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:05

Yeah, he like starts to get hype. It is so good. Um, but yes, everything with the Beast Titan, um, everything with Ervin's speech. Um I feel like I'm missing something else, but I was looking through because I was like, there was something that you mentioned, and I was like, uh, like I felt like you should have known something, but I think um these these next couple of episodes.

SPEAKER_04 28:28

Are you talking about like stuff with Historia? I know everything with Historia.

SPEAKER_02 28:32

No, uh, it's other characters, but it's uh these next couple episodes. Once you get to the cellar, and then the episodes after that, it is literally like lore drop after lore drop after lore drop, and like questions get answered, and it's like I said, from here on out, it is literally all gas, no breaks, like fucking balls to the walls. Um, so yeah, man. I'm told I mean, when have I been wrong? I I knew that I knew you that you were gonna I knew you were gonna like it, I knew you were gonna fuck with it. It is such like it's it's just like the break, it's like the breaking bad of of animes where it's so easy to get into, and it's literally universally loved by like it really Ben.

SPEAKER_04 29:15

I just saw you shaking your head. Like, you're never gonna watch this. I know you're never gonna watch this. Maybe maybe this can convince you though, dude. It's they're literally 22-minute episodes, bro. Like, it's so like for however busy you are, it is literally you can drop in, drop out with one episode a day. And uh, but I I think you'd watch more because of how like how good it actually is.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

Well, and that's that's what I knew that you would do. I was like, dude, he just need like that, those first couple episodes. If you don't like it, then you don't like it. But if you like it, you are going to watch the shit out of this show. Like it is, it's gonna be hard to put down. Uh, I just finished this the the show, um, and the finale was was so good. I cried a couple times. It was genuinely so fucking awesome. I have my thoughts, so I'm excited to kind of break it all down and talk about it. Um, but yeah, dude, it you're in. I wish I could be in your shoes right now, not knowing anything, and starting from here to the rest of the ride because, like I said, the return to Shiganshina arc followed by all of season four is just like uh like you haven't seen anything yet, honestly. Everything that you thought has been good so far times that shit by fucking 10. Like it's it's so good.

SPEAKER_04 30:35

I I cried at the Armin stuff, and I I realize also I'm telling Ben to watch this after we just I don't know if he's been paying attention, but we've just been outright spoiling uh like big big plot. Um, but I I cried with the Armin thing, like dude, just watching him up there, man. I was like, dude, that's that's and he's talking about the C. Oh my gosh, it was it was hitting me, bro.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Armin is so funny, dude. He's just like he's such a cool character because they'll just turn to Armin, and he's just like has everything figured out, just like down to a T. He's oh, he's such a good character. Like I said, Mikasa, Aaron, and and Armin, just like man, find a better like main trio in this TV.

SPEAKER_04 31:17

It's so funny too, because like the first episode, uh like I told you I went to my friend's house and they all sat me down and made me maybe watch it, and they've all seen it all. And the way they when I when Armin popped up on screen for the first time, the way they said it, they they were like, uh, world world's number one twink right there. And I'm like, what the fuck? Because like he just gets thrown around. And but like uh dude, like the twink, like, dude, this like with like I don't know, without that without him, they'd be nowhere.

SPEAKER_02 31:44

So like I don't know, it's just crazy. Um there's well, there's a lot of pictures of Armin, like because they do that one thing where he they dress him up like a girl, and so he like starts to get like borderline assaulted in season one. Yeah, they like not dress up like a girl, but they oh like yeah, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_04 32:02

I see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

I remember okay. I can't even anyways. Uh, but there's a lot of pictures of him like in girly poses, like just like dumb pictures. I guess it's like a running meme.

SPEAKER_04 32:11

I didn't even honestly, as I was watching it, I it did not click in my head, like I was just I was just absorbing it all. Um I did see that there's a and I didn't watch it, but I did see that there's like a movie version uh called like Attack on Titan Chronicle, and uh it it says in the description it says it covers seasons one through three, but I was like, how can you fit all that into two hours? Uh and I think I if I had to guess, I think they just cut out a lot of like the flashback stuff. Um but yeah, also I just I bring that up to say because like Ben, I mean I watched episode one, not this last Friday, but the Friday before last, and I did not touch the show again until I think it was the day after we recorded. So I think it was either maybe two days after. So like Tuesday or Wednesday of this last week is when I actually started watching the show, and now I'm already at the end, and I have not I don't I haven't been like super grinding it, but I'm already at like the tail end of season three, so like it is such an easy watch, bro. It's actually crazy.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

Like, when I'm going fine, fine. I will start it by next episode. Damn, damn. Holy shit. Yeah, don't watch the movie. I will I know you're grinding it right now, and you're you're focused on it.

SPEAKER_04 33:35

He's gonna say the Lord of the Ring shit. You have to get to our movies. You're right, you're right. I was thinking of that too. I was like, I was literally, I was like, I was clicking to start another episode.

SPEAKER_03 33:44

I was like, Oh yeah, I should probably watch their shit. Nah, but I believe in that I click into that shit.

SPEAKER_01 33:50

Um listen, I I I will start it, but your end of the deal is at least watching one of our movies by next week.

SPEAKER_03 33:56

Okay, can you make that work?

SPEAKER_04 33:58

All right, yeah, sure, sure. Uh yeah, yeah, I can. Uh Aiden also, by the way, I just I don't think you're gonna be able to watch Chuck. I just found out Chuck's Chuck's not on anything right now, it's not on any streaming platform.

SPEAKER_02 34:10

It was like two dollars on Amazon but I think that's per episode.

SPEAKER_04 34:13

I think yeah, I think that's per episode. So yeah, I don't I don't think it's on anything right now. It's it's dude, and it's you know what's funny? Because my my dad, he he he's watched the show, but he it's been a long time and he he's he doesn't love it like I do. But um he texted me, he saw a clip, and he's like uh in his head, he's like, I'm just gonna sit down and watch it. And he went to go find it on something, and it's not in anything, which I didn't know that until he told me that.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

So um we'll see. I'll find a way to I'll find a way to make it work. Um I was gonna say something earlier, but um, yeah, no, it's yeah, it's a great, it's a great show. I I knew that y'all would like it. It's um not that not that it's like oh it's easy, it's an easy, but it's a good, it's like a very good gateway anime. Sure. What's what sucks is that like there's not a lot that's really gonna live up. Like I started with One Piece in the Tackle Titan, and I'm like, I don't think there's ever gonna be anything that comes close to this.

SPEAKER_04 35:06

See, and that's my like I don't know what what else I'm gonna watch after this. Like I've heard Death Note, uh maybe, but yeah, it's it's I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 35:14

I mean, there are like I don't know. I don't I don't like anime, there are great stories, there are great animes. Hi Q I think is amazing. It's a sports anime, like the way that they tell their stories, and it that's why Attack on Titan is a really good gateway because it it shows you just like how the medium can tell such an amazing story in the way that it does. But like One Piece, like that's what like everything that I glaze about One Piece remains the same with Attack on Titan, uh, just uh plot, just like amazing plot, amazing decisions, character work, times fucking a thousand. Like, but uh high Q is the same way, it's what I really liked a lot about Haiku. And I know there are others out there that I mean, obviously, I'm not super well versed in. Um but I mean, yeah, it's like you're kind of starting with the cream of the crop there. Um but yeah, dude, it's it's it's fantastic. I'm excited for you to to get towards the end. I'm excited for you to to grind uh season four. Now I gotta find some edits that uh that you'll be able to watch because oh boy, the wait, was that one I sent you with Hanji?

SPEAKER_04 36:31

Was that a spoiler? No, no, no, it wasn't. I can watch that. No, it wasn't. Well, it's funny, it's funny you say that. Okay, I wouldn't you wouldn't watch it. It's funny you say that because I re I the one clip that I remember seeing was Hanji with uh with an eye patch, and when I saw that, I Hanji hadn't lost her eye yet. When I saw that edit, I Hanji hadn't lost her eye yet. So um yeah, but which that's another thing. That's I that's not really a big spoiler, but yeah, no.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

I'm trying to think of like when you I oh wait, yeah, you've seen her lose her eye though. Oh yeah, no, I haven't watched now, but when I watch the edit, yeah. Yeah, um, yeah, I mean I wouldn't watch it, it's not like a major spoiler, but it's like the the moment's cool, so I would like save her for that. Okay, yeah. All right, so uh uh and then last last thing stay away from spoilers for this next like do not watch a single thing because you're about to get to like the seller and some stuff that happens in the middle of season four and in the beginning of season honestly, all of season four is just so funny. But there's a I think what is what is called the and I have my feelings about it. I'll be interested to have a conversation when we get there. What is regarded as the best plot twist ever? Uh, I've seen video essays that said how attack how attack on Titan pulled off the greatest plot twist in TV history. Um, there is like a huge, huge moment, a huge uh a huge attack on Titan moment, uh plot twist in the middle of season four, and then there's a lot of really good stuff in the beginning that I just think would be cooler if you didn't have spoiled. So stay off of everything, do not trust anything. Look at hashtags before you scroll. Um, and don't look at hashtags or do no look at hashtags because if you have any unexpected edits, dude.

SPEAKER_04 38:24

That was exactly dude. When I was watching the video and then I saw it starting to turn into an edit, and I saw the because I I mean, maybe I don't know if this is uh insensitive or whatever to say, but like I saw anime, I saw an anime thing, and I was and I was like, I can't tell that it was attack on Titan, but I paused it and it was I paused it on the image of Hanji with the with an eye patch, and and then I was like, what anime is this? And I scroll down and look at the captions and I or look at the hashtags and I see attack on Titan. I'm like, nope I send it to you and I'm no um but on on your feet, dad. Last thing I want to say, uh and a little bit this is a little bit for you as well, Ben. Uh as it pertains to the sub and dub. Um, a lot of people in your comments also saying the sub is so much better. I've tried multiple times. Maybe if I had started with the sub, I'd feel differently. Um, but Hanji literally sounds like a man. Like Hanji sounds like a man in the sub. It sounds like a man doing doing her voiceover. Uh, don't like that. Uh also I just don't like some of the monologue and the way it's delivered. I honestly, and I I'm someone like I watched uh Squid Game in the sub and because the emotion was just so much better there. Uh and I I don't think the sub and dub with Squid Game are is very comparable to the sub and dub of Attack on Titan in any way. Like the emotion is way, way there with the dub of Attack on Titan. But uh I I'm fine with watching subs, but I went and watched the sub like the sub version of Aaron and uh Ryna in season two, and like there the emotion in the sub versus the dub, specifically when Aaron's like, you're a pest and I need to live, I need to exterminate you. Like the dub, the dub is the emotion is there. He's screaming, he's feeling it. The sub, he's just like like it's almost like he's talking to himself to hype, which he is talking to himself in the dub too, but he's just like like angry and mean mean and meaning it. In the sub, it just sounds like he's like talking to himself to like hype himself up. He's like the energy is just not really there. So I just think I disagree a little bit with the comments there for that one. Um, but for you, Ben, if you end up watching this on Hulu uh or Disney Plus, because that's what it's on.

SPEAKER_01 40:39

Sorry, too bad.

SPEAKER_04 40:40

What are you on? What app is that?

SPEAKER_01 40:42

Just Hulu.

SPEAKER_04 40:42

Is that Hulu? Okay. Though the what's what's misleading about it is that it says, like you might look at season one, for example, and it says 50 episodes. That's because it has both the sub and the dublisted.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's there's only 25 in season one, and then in season two, there's only 12, uh, etc. etc. So don't don't look at that and be like, holy shit, like how is this not like One Piece or something like that?

SPEAKER_02 41:07

Um, but uh I will say, yeah, the sub and dub, I go back and forth. There's a lot of moments in One Piece where like sub is just truly king. Um, there are just so many moments that it's just like it's so much better with sub whenever you hear them speaking in Japanese, it is the coolest shit ever, right? And I've let's not look like a fucking like idiot. Japanese people are so cool and their language is so cool. But seriously, I mean there's just so much moments that like just are so much better, but there are also some moments uh dubbed that are just that just mog the the sub. And I think the tag on Titan has a lot of especially um oh gosh, uh what is his name? Uh Pappenbrock. Uh Brock Pappen, Aaron's voice actor. Uh man, he is just in his bag the entire um the entire season. So those moments like uh yes, whenever he uh my favorite moment, Bryce Pappenbrook. That's what it was. Bryce Pappenbrook. Uh there are the moment where Rynah transforms and he says, Damn you, you trainer. Oh my god. It is just like, and there's a there's another one where he's yelling at him there in the forest, and he's like, um, oh yeah, you don't have any right to feel sorry for yourself. Like you're not even a human, you're not human, you're not even whatever. Uh so good. He's just in his bag. Season season four. Like, I'm don't want to spoil anything, and I'm so glad that you've gotten this far in a week because it would have been really hard to bite my tongue on certain moments and just like teasing stuff. But season four, Aaron, bro. Oh, it is just like oh, dude, it's just like like think uh I I can't, I can't even I've said this before, but like I don't even want to tease it. But like Paul Atreides, Anakin Skywalker, like generational, generational fucking lock in here. Um, so I think season four is really gonna surprise you a lot. So I'm excited to hear next week because you're gonna you're gonna finish the show by next week. Yeah, I think so.

unknown 43:20

I think so.

SPEAKER_04 43:21

Uh I think uh the last thing I want to say, because we've obviously been very long in the tooth here, and I'm sorry about that on you. Yeah, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 43:28

Um to me, you've been doing stuff.

SPEAKER_04 43:33

I've seen you, you've been clicking on other tabs, you don't want it, whatever. Um last thing I I I say, and this is my prediction for whatever you're you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 43:42

Please give me some give me some predictions.

SPEAKER_04 43:44

Like just off of what like this is the it's the most basic generic like thing I can think of. It's just like turns out I imagine that like humans are are are the the the bad guys in some way, and like the the wall is built to like keep them. Away from Titans or something. I don't actually know anything. I don't know anything. But I I I just keep who you're saying that the wall was actual uh Yeah, yeah, yeah. The wall was built to keep human. It's like which I guess like it is a it is still a prison. Like they they consider the humans consider it that as well. But I think the Titans built it with knowing that there's Titans in the wall. Um sorry, Ben, knowing that there's Titans in the Wall, and there's uh like everything that the Titans do, and just the way that he talks to I don't know who that character's name, but the the beast titan when he's in human form, when he's talking to to Aaron, and like just the way he talks to him, it just seems so sincere. Uh, and I don't know, maybe maybe that there's there's like some revelation about humanity and how once like we learn about the history, if people's minds are unlocked in some way or something like that, we like they learn about what what they did to the titans or something.

SPEAKER_02 44:53

Yeah, because because you know, and and you should have gotten to this point already because this is before they go to Shiganshina. Everything with the Rice family and how they locked Aaron up, and Aaron was like, This place seems very familiar, like why am I starting to see a lot of this stuff?

SPEAKER_04 45:08

What do you uh you should know some stuff there about like Aaron Aaron's dad uh ate uh Shri Shriba? What I forget her name.

SPEAKER_02 45:19

So he he went to the castle or to the base of the castle, the crystal cave, and killed everyone.

SPEAKER_04 45:26

Killed killed everyone, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:28

Okay. And he took the he took the he took the the coordinate power. No, he was the it oh shit.

SPEAKER_04 45:39

I might have just he took the coordinate power and he and he uh ate her and then he went over to Aaron uh with with uh com with the commandant's help. Uh actually actually no, not with the commandant's help. Uh maybe a little bit. The commandant just ended up following them. Uh, but he gives Aaron the shot, and then Aaron turns uh into a Titan and then he lets Aaron eat him, and then he tells him about the cellar. And that's okay.

SPEAKER_02 46:05

So yeah, you you do you do know that stuff, yeah. That's whenever he yes, Grisha kills them, eats him, whatever. So then Aaron starts to get flashbacks, whatever, all that stuff. Yeah, so they mentioned some stuff about like the like mind wiping everybody, why the walls are there, why they are in the walls. Um and you haven't got to the end of season three, so I won't I won't go any further than that. But okay, so so that's your prediction. Do you have any other predictions just for this final season? Um what do you think's in the cellar?

SPEAKER_04 46:44

Uh I mean I imagine it's whatever plan that Grisha Grisha has for the Titans. Because my here's my thought process is that Grisha got tired of the royal family not doing shit about the Titans, uh, and he decided to go and he got powerful enough to go and and and take the take the power from them. And he planned on doing something with it, but eventually, but apparent, but with the way that um after I assume this was a reaction of the royal family dying, the claw they had did everything, the Colossal Titan and and the Armored Titan, Grisha's plan had to change, and that involved uh Aaron for some reason. So I imagine we'll find out more about that, and we'll find out what Grisha has planned for what he wants Aaron to do. Um at the same time, I also want like because I think back to season one where Grisha literally he tells Aaron, like, if you're good, I'll show you the cellar that day. And so, like, what did he if none of that happened, if none of this happened, what would it, what would he have done with Aaron down in the cellar that day? You know, like what would he have shown to Aaron? So, like, and if that if it's any of that, like I don't know. I don't know. I truly don't know. I'll probably find that out tonight. The cellar stuff tonight. I'll probably find that out.

SPEAKER_02 48:05

Oh, I I would say 100%. Uh grind the end of season three tonight if you can. Um, if not Wednesday when you're off, because now we don't have Daredevil. Um and uh last question who is your favorite character so far? Probably Levi still, bro. Really? Okay, cool. I like that. I like that.

SPEAKER_04 48:23

Yeah, yeah, it's probably it's probably Levi. It's probably Levi. With like I mean, I like Mikasa as well.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

He's solid. I I love Mikasa even more for reasons that you'll see in season four. But after finishing the show, there's just like my mind has changed on a lot of characters. Um also like Hanji though. Hanji's really cool. Hanji's really awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Okay, Levi. Awesome. Well, that's that's that's it for me. I uh yeah. I can't I can't wait. I can't wait for next week, dude.

SPEAKER_04 48:57

It's a light little 50-minute attack on Titan.

SPEAKER_02 49:02

Uh what can I say, man? I I knew that I knew this. I knew this would happen. I knew that if you watched it, I knew it would happen.

SPEAKER_03 49:09

So hey bro.

SPEAKER_02 49:11

Thanks. I honestly I never I wouldn't have watched it if they didn't sit me down and force me to do it. Well, see, I was like, uh Brandon had tried to get me to watch One Piece very hardly, and he had tried very, very much like he had pushed very hard for it. And one day he was just like, we were just there. He was like, you know what? I'm starting One Piece, and he just started it. And I was like, All right, I guess this is I guess I'm doing it. And like that's just what you have to do. You just have to have someone track, bro.

SPEAKER_04 49:37

Aiden was secretly planning like the when we when we have our next meetup, he was like, I got this shit prepped and ready, bro.

SPEAKER_02 49:43

Oh, yeah, 100%, 100%, dude. I'm just I'm I'm so glad.

SPEAKER_04 49:47

I mean, that's how I got you into the bear, even though you didn't watch it till later, but but yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:52

June 25th, by the way. Let's freaking go, baby. We're back.

SPEAKER_04 49:56

June 25th. Oh, oh, sorry. I was like, the bear, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bro, the by the way, we didn't talk about. Did you watch Gary yet, Ben?

SPEAKER_01 50:06

Or no? No, I actually when I had Hulu up, I remembered that I haven't seen this thing because I forgot that it existed. The drop was so low-key. It was, it really was. I I will also watch this, I promise.

SPEAKER_04 50:19

Okay, well, not to spoil it, but I just we didn't talk about it last week, Aiden. The very like last shot of the thing. Yes, yes, we didn't. We did not talk about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I but like that, yeah. Dude, I literally had to look it up because I was like, I was so confused. I was so confused.

SPEAKER_02 50:35

I was like, wait, what's going on here? Yeah, it was insane. So that'll be that'll be cool to talk about. We can also like kind of talk and speculate. Also, uh, this is just like three seconds. I watched Send Help. I I figured it's a 2026 release, so I mentioned a little bit. Three stars, it's it's pretty good. I'm kind of oh, yeah, you hadn't watched it yet.

SPEAKER_04 50:52

I forgot.

SPEAKER_02 50:53

Yeah, I hadn't watched it, so I I watched it this this past couple days. It's really good. I uh I had a good time with it. Um yeah, just Dylan O'Brien's just hilarious. Uh uh, dude. I I don't uh whose side do I really like? Is there is there a definitive side? Because I'm kind of in between. I don't know, man. I don't know if that's a hot take. I'm kind of in I'm like, man, did he really deserve all of that? Like, but I get it, like he was kind of a jerk to her. At the same time, I'm like that. She kind of went very far, and now she gets celebrated for it.

SPEAKER_03 51:22

I don't know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 51:23

Hot take.

SPEAKER_03 51:25

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 51:29

Oh my gosh, moving right along. No, it wasn't that bad. I I knew that you guys needed a little bit of space there to talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 51:38

When he said he was at the end of season three, I was like, Oh, we have to.

SPEAKER_01 51:41

You know what? I won't be able to watch it at the same pace that Charlie did, but sure. I'm sure once I get to that point, I will want to talk about it just as much. So yeah, and you know what? I'm better than Charlie. He said he would never have watched it if it wasn't for his friend just forcing him to. I'm gonna choose to watch it myself. No outside influence. That's true, man. Proud of you, man.

SPEAKER_02 52:04

Thank you. My gosh, I can I can finally like my I never thought this this day would come. It's just gonna I can finally rest.

SPEAKER_04 52:13

That's how I'm gonna feel whenever you get a decent way into Chuck. Well, true.

SPEAKER_01 52:19

We're gonna move on.

SPEAKER_04 52:20

Gosh, what a poster, man. We gotta talk about that for a second, bro. Because that came out this week, too. That Spider-Man poster. Oh man, just for a quick second. Hi goodness. Oh my goodness, gracious. Somebody said somebody uh posted this on Twitter and said uh new new movie posters look indistinguishable from uh boss logic.

SPEAKER_05 52:41

So funny, crazy.

SPEAKER_04 52:42

Which, yeah, it's a fair point here. Yeah, this is a boss logic-esque poster, but still good. Yeah, I don't think it's better than the last one, but it's it's good.

SPEAKER_01 52:51

Aiden, when are you gonna uh recreate this?

SPEAKER_02 52:54

Yeah, I gotta get this one lasered off and fixed up. There you go, and go full red, of course.

SPEAKER_04 53:01

Hype 91. Golly, look at that. Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_01 53:05

It's a it's a Spider-Man movie. Let's calm down. All right, moving on. Wait, click on click on Doomsay real quick.

SPEAKER_03 53:11

What's that?

SPEAKER_01 53:12

I think it's the 89.

SPEAKER_00 53:14

Oh, oh, oh, oh. It's an Avengers movie, bro. Calm down.

SPEAKER_01 53:23

I was actually gonna say, oh, you think my movie from December is gonna go toe-to-toe with your Spider-Man movie that is about to come out? No way, but about to come out.

SPEAKER_00 53:34

That shit's still two months away. Okay, about to come out.

SPEAKER_01 53:39

Okay, come on. Two months compared to seven months, big difference. Anyways, getting into this a little bit with Box Office Fantasy League that we have been doing for this year. Not gonna touch on anything with Brandon, nothing has really changed. Mario has slowed down quite a bit and will probably maybe just barely hit a billion, but that is to be determined. And then for Mr. Aiden, big story right now has been the Devil Wears Prada 2 continuing to climb week after week, not quite competing with Michael, but still for just a couple weeks in theaters, doing very, very well, and with a lower budget than Michael is profiting Aiden quite a bit.

SPEAKER_02 54:29

Aiden, tell me about it. 300 300 mil, dude. I love it. I'm I'm praying for a 700 mil finish. Um, that would be pretty cool because that would be 450. Uh, and I would be very happy with 450. But honestly, if we were to just stop right now, I'm I'm still kind of happy with that, man. It's it's been performing very well. So I knew it was coming, but just to see it alongside Project Home area and to see that 464 up there, it's just no hit pick, you know, out. It's just it's it's great. It's great.

SPEAKER_04 55:02

It's actually crazy. We have the same number, but yours is 400 and mine's 46.4. Holy, holy cinema.

SPEAKER_01 55:09

Holy aura, 10 times, 10 times Charlie's GDP sitting right here. Yeah, I'm very happy with this. Yeah, the the pre-hit pick, that that's a good point, just because like you know that just based on Spider-Man, uh, that you're you're probably gonna be clearing Brandon. Um, obviously it depends on some other factors, how well minions does specifically. I don't think any of his other picks are gonna be like crazy, crazy big hits. Um, I mean, I think scary movie could end up being like a scream seven situation, but anyways, uh Aiden, I think you're you're you're doing very well. And I think Charlie and I both underrated the Devil Wears Prada pick because like if that had somehow fallen to me, I wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna be well dude.

SPEAKER_02 56:00

I even started started thinking about it, and I'm like, I like no in no universe would I have done this, but like first pick back rooms, second pick devil wears Prada, because I feel like you would have gone Mando Odyssey. I don't know, like it just you you you wouldn't have gone devil wears Prada, and I could have gotten backrooms instead of Odyssey, which at this point, with everything that's come out, all the quote unquote controversy, and everyone that's like hating on the Odyssey. I haven't said this out loud, but I'm a I'm a little worried, man. I'm a little worried like this goes up as well. You well, not only that, but you got Elon Musk out here tweeting hate hate tweets about the Odyssey. I'm like, yo, chill, bro. I need this movie to make money. Like, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 56:43

I don't think that's gonna convince anyone to not go see it.

SPEAKER_02 56:47

I mean, I dude, I don't I don't know, man. So I it's I don't know, but I I was thinking about that the other day, and I'm like, man, how crazy would it be would it have been to just like risk everything and be like, you know what? I'm going backrooms and devil wars product because Ben's not picking this. But yeah, no, I'm I'm I'm happy it's worked out for me.

SPEAKER_01 57:05

Yeah, this there is a chance. I I've seen multiple reports saying that the budget could be slightly higher than this, closer to like a 280, even a 300. I don't know if we'll actually I'd be I'd be cooked. I'd be cooked. I'm not gonna lie. I I still do think that 625 is pretty scary.

SPEAKER_02 57:23

Um that's I mean, that's fair. I I I'm not the biggest fan of it either. I'm not gonna lie. I I think I I think I'll see profit if things end up going the way I think they will. But I mean it's it's Christopher Nolan's, sorry, it's Christopher Nolan's most disliked trailer of all time. So it's like, man, well, you know what? How much of that plays a factor? So we'll see. But I'm glad that regardless of anything, you know, Devil Wears Prada. It's you know, as long as the picks that Charlie and Brandon made in between the Odyssey and Paw Patrol, as long as those don't gross more money for them than Odyssey, I'll be fine. But uh, which at this point it's Mortal Kombat and Obsession. I don't think Mortal Kombat and Obsession combined make more profit than the Odyssey. Oh, definitely. But um, but like what was Brandon's scary movie and uh Jackass and Disclosure that could that could do it for me. So really it's just like if Odyssey is like, hey, this was the best that I was gonna get, you know, just in terms of what was picked afterwards, I can't be too mad at that, but time will tell. Time will tell.

SPEAKER_01 58:34

Yeah. And then moving on to Mr. Charles, obviously a big talking point here is the Michael movie, which went from the number one spot to the number two with Devil Wear's product coming out, but has gone back up to the top and has maintained incredible legs, has already passed Project Hail Mary um for its complete box office run that's about to finish off. And a lot of people are saying is easily eyeing billion dollars. So 100%. Yeah, oh yeah, it's big profit. My thing definitely outgross or outprofit, I should say, Devil Wars Prada 2. Well, I guess it's 100%. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:15

My my thing is uh yesterday it said 600 million, like low 600 million. Uh, and I went and looked on Box Office Moji, and it was 700 million. I was like, oh, okay, it just hasn't updated, it'll probably update on Monday. Uh, but I was sitting at 41 million when it was said 600 million, and I'm now I'm at 46 million. So, like, what did they already account for that 700 million and they just didn't add it to the total gross beforehand yesterday? Because like, I would dude, what I was at positive 41 million yesterday, and it said Michael was at had a profit of like a hundred and some odd million. So I was like, okay, so I'm gonna get another 100 million tomorrow. Where's that? What I swear, I swear to you, that's what it looked like. It was at 41 and Michael was at a hundred. So I was like, oh, another hundred mil. But nothing. Nothing.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:06

Well, let's see. This is like 45 million, 70 million. You're at like 170 million negative, plus Aiden's bomb pick is giving us another 70. So like a 240 deficit.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:25

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:25

I mean, I imagine that's the same.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:27

I'm sure it's correct.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:28

I'm sure it's correct. I'm just it I'm just thinking that they just must have added the 700 before actually changing it on the Michael.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:37

Yeah. 55 mil is what I came out to whenever I added and subtracted everything plus the bomb pick. So I mean, give or take some of those decimal points. Yeah, 46.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:47

But then also obsession was at like, well, I have two things with with obsession. Obsession was at like a profit of I I want to say it was less than 10 mil yesterday. And again, I was at 41 mil, and now I'm at a profit of 22 million, and I've only gone up to 46 million.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:09

Like, what do we probably where are these numbers going, bro? International numbers coming in a bit later.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:15

But like so they're just adding the international numbers, but they're not actually like uh adding it to the to the movie play card.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:23

Yeah, I don't know.

unknown 1:01:24

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:25

It's what I mean it doesn't matter. My second thing with obsession, do we just does it do they not just do like thousands? Do they only do because like almost everywhere else I'm seeing a 750,000 reported budget, not a million. I think it'll I have seen I have seen a range, but almost everywhere else is reporting 750,000.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:48

They do do thousands because undertone, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:52

Oh, okay. All right. So yeah, hopefully, hopefully it changes if if deadline or or someone else reports the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:57

But then enough they don't even have points for you. Decimal points of profit.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:02

Which like, yeah, it won't add much. It's gonna add like I I think a 700,000 to the to the profit, but um but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:12

You're really gonna complain about this after opening weekend?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:15

Oh, sure, no, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:16

No, no, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:18

I think that that's great. I'm I'm very, very happy about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:21

And I think I'll have four. I think this is sneaky gonna make you 40, 50 million.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:25

Yeah, I think I'll have another good weekend with with despite Mando and Grogu. I think I'll have a good weekend this weekend.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:32

I think so. Did you see wait?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:34

When does Passenger come out this weekend too? Or no?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:36

No. Uh yes, it does. It's Passenger Mando Grogu, and then next week is pack room. So I feel I feel like oh man, it'll have a decent second weekend, but then I think I need word of mouth to really carry this weekend. They've continued the the advertising like really, really heavy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:57

Did you see that Billie Eilish had one of the worst, uh, probably the worst second weekend drop in the history of tracking box office? Really? Actually, yes, yeah. They said that her movie broke a record for the biggest drop second weekend drop in the history since they've started tracking box office. That is insane. I was like, yo, that's insane. Luck, dude, that Charlie just gets the like absolute word. I think it's just gonna get removed, and this number's not gonna change. It's gonna pull a normal, yeah. It'll pull a normal, they're just gonna take it out.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:30

And we didn't need to. I think more this was in theaters for like two days. Like, I swear it was like that. It makes me so mad.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:38

It makes me so mad that I didn't like at least just try a little bit more with my last pick because I'm sure something, anyways. Uh Mortal Kombat's dead in the water, too. That's gonna be sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:48

I'm glad it, I'm glad it got to uh under under 100 negative.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:53

So I could see it making another 10-20 million before it like officially leaves theaters, but yeah, that's just man, you you have to come out of the summer with every single project profitable, I feel like. Like just wait, just wait.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:07

Yeah, I got I still I'm I'm really truthfully, I'm not really that worried. I still have Toy Story and Moana.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:12

Uh so like I'm I'm so I'm so excited to see what Moana does. Like, not even like preying on anyone's downfall. Like, I'm just like that has been the movie since we started drafting that I've been like, I genuinely don't know. Like I just don't.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:28

I don't was this moved? Am I crazy? I thought this came out June 5th.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:35

I couldn't tell you, if I'm honest.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:37

Uh oh no, I think it's always been Masters of the Universe and Scary Movie going head to head that week. Okay, wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:48

Finally, talking about me a little bit. Here's your week. Just uh well, yeah, we'll get to that soon. Hoppers has just continued to like claw a little bit of money every single week. Honestly, a profit of 10 million, not something I expected. I was happy with the break even. Uh, obviously, this didn't turn out to be like an amazing pick. Um, and I should have gone with something like Wuthering Heights, Iron Lung, Scream 7. But, you know, like we've said before, if you're not losing money, you're making money. I also swear that how to make a killing, that this number has gone up, or I guess this number has gone down, and I have lost less than I did. Like, I swear if we look back, like that has changed significantly. I looked at some of the international markets, and there's like there wasn't any crazy, like super late releases for this movie. So I was a little confused by it, but 70 million, like that's not that's not that bad. It it's better than I thought it was. Um and then that's whatever. This was kind of my clutch pick, fourth round. Pick. Horror has been hitting this year, just in general. I think that's something that I'm definitely taking away. And considering as we're going to head into the fall season this year, I think horror fans are definitely pulling through when it comes to going and seeing these movies.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:16

So I'm very we got some horror movies on our summer draft this season coming up.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:24

I think this number's actually not even updated.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:26

I think this is already on my summer draft right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:30

Oh, obsession. Fuck. Sorry, bro. I forgot. No, no, no. That's Aiden. Hey, that me up, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:39

I saw that trailer.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:40

I speaking of which, I saw the trailer for Aidens uh before Obsession.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:45

And uh Insidious?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:48

It's not for me. It's not yeah, for Insidious. Not for me, but wait, you saw the Insidious trailer? Yes, sir. You're positive. I am absolutely sure. I because I turned I turned to uh Cassidy and I said it wasn't Evil Dead Burn? Nope. No, sir. I saw Evil Dead Burn last weekend with uh what movie came out last week?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:07

Mortal Kombat. I didn't even know there was a trailer released for Insidious. I haven't seen it anyway. I swear. I swear.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:13

Crazy. Yo, Charles, it might not be for you, but it's for everybody. No, sure. I I trust me.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:22

I'm not a horror movie guy. You know that. I'm not a horror movie guy. Back on the sticks.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:29

Come on. Uh this is my my Hail Mary. Today's this week. This week is the weekend. I'm relying on the Star Wars fandom. I keep looking at just like random showings in my theater this upcoming weekend. They're pretty dang full. Like it's it is looking pretty good. The estimates right now. Taking into account it's a four-day weekend with Memorial Day. Um, it's looking like it could clear 100 million domestically, and worldwide, who knows? I mean, it it could be like a 180 to 200, just depending on international markets, are a bit harder to predict. I think in general, this thing's gonna be hard to predict just because it's so like dependent on how much faith the Star Wars fan base has and wanting to go back to the theater to see a Star Wars movie. Um, the other thing I'm kind of worried about is this number randomly going up. I I think this could pull a Mortal Kombat and could just like go up to 200 million. Um slight increase from what it's been at, considering it's still here as just an estimate. So if we get more solid numbers in and it goes up at all, then I think I'm screwed. Otherwise, I actually feel really great about this break even because like I don't think there's any like backrooms is like the biggest competition, and there's such separate audiences that I feel like I have like a three or four week window for this to just do really well uh until later in June with like Toy Story and whatnot. Otherwise, there's like nothing crazy that's really competing with it, I think. So very excited about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:12

This is gonna this is gonna make me you're gonna make 175 to 200 mil, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:21

Like, yeah, I'm so glad that I got this. Um the marketing has just picked up, and this whole conversation of like, oh, youtubers making horror movies that has kind of been a bit of a trend recently. We had like talk to me. Obviously, Jordan Peel's been a big name in the space. Shelby Oak's Iron Lung Obsession, and now with this, like I feel like that's just kind of what are you confused by?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:49

Jordan Peel? Is a YouTuber? Kim Peel? Is wasn't that a comedy central show?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:58

Yeah, I mean, I guess it was it was just also like I I thought of him more as a YouTube guy than like an actor. I don't know. Sure. He was just a he was a you know. Maybe like Skits. Yeah, he was like a comedy YouTuber, like uh yeah, Skits is yeah, I mean similar, similar to uh Curry Barker, who's you know, directing directed obsession.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:20

So well, even even Zach Krager, like the whitest kids you know. I mean, dude, these horror skits, like turn director, horror directors, man, I wouldn't put Curry and Jordan Peel in the sally because I because his comedies were specifically for TikTok and YouTube.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:38

Like I I'm just saying, like in my head, with like my experience with them as like actors and comedic actors specifically, was in the YouTube space for both of them. So um, yeah, it's gonna make me a bunch of money, and then Power Ballad is kind of a who knows, and Evil Deadburn, I think, will make me quite a bit of money as well. And Supergirl is the project that's gonna make me end it all. So let's move on from the box office discussion, and we are going to move into Aiden, cue it up, predict it. Uh oh, I don't have it pulled up.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:21

Punisher last Punisher One Last Kill. The new damn it. I forgot to add it in here. I literally saved it and forgot to add it in here.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:30

The new special presentation from Marvel Studios, uh, written somewhat by John Bernthal as kind of a one-off episode after he was not involved in season two of Daredevil Born Again, and we weren't really.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:48

He's been writing, bro. He got Gary come out one week and then Punisher come out the next.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:53

We weren't really sure where Punisher's character has been and how this was going to bridge the gap between Daredevil and him being in Spider-Man brand new day, so we had this special presentation, which we will give our initial reactions to in three two one.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:18

Nice We're all somewhat on the same page.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:24

Charlie, what's on the page? On the Karen page? Okay. Uh Charlie, what's the what's the what's the downward tilt? It got worse.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:34

Uh this thing's fine. Like it's just I don't uh like it's I say that John Johnny B's been writing and like I just the the level of of of quality between Gary and this, and I know you can't speak to Gary, uh, is just kind of it's just crazy to me. Not crazy, maybe that's a little bit too far. Uh I just like I don't know if I want to go so far as to say what was the point of this, because like it was fun. I had a good time, the action was good. Um it's just it feels like it abandoned whatever uh story it was gonna uh tackle, uh in a in a sense, and which is crazy for how something how short it already was. Uh like it started off with something relatively uh engaging. It's like he it's it's a Frank Castle who has uh reached his goal of of avenging quote unquote his family. Um and where does that leave him? Where does he go after that? What what what's his purpose? Uh and like now that he has to he's forced to to finally sit with these emotions, um what does he do with them? And I think that that is very interesting, and that's a very cool place to take the character, but you don't actually like let him sit and deal with the emotions, like you we just see him experiencing them, and then all of a sudden he's thrown into a gigantic action sequence that takes over the entire rest of the special. And again, cool action, it's it's cool stuff. But I the reason I say what's the point of this is that while all of this is neat and cool, it just leaves the character in the same spot that I thought he already I already assumed he was in. Because like we look at where his conversation with uh with Daredevil in in Born Again Season 1, where he tells Matt, like they're talking about Foggy, and he's like, I know you see Foggy, and I does he talk to you? My boy talks to me. He said he says, get him, Daddy, get every last one of them. And like I guess maybe that's open for interpretation because some people could take that as like, oh, get every last one of the people that that that had anything to do with me, Daddy, or get uh every last criminal. Uh get just just just get rid of them all because they're all filth. Like, I would already make the assumption that that's where Punisher's character is, and now I've heard the argument that this special is for people that do not want to go back and watch the Punisher and watch where he's been and understand where his character is, and so you could just watch this and instantly get into uh where his headset head mindset is and and and where he's going from here. But it's just I like I don't know, like I I guess that's okay. That's that great for those people. I don't like this is probably uh a good enough jumping off point for the Punisher, not jumping off, but jumping on, I guess, for for future stuff with him. But I I really just as a as a longer fan, like I just don't know that this really did much for us. Uh and not that I expect to be appeased in every single project uh that the MCU puts out, but um and and not that I again not that I think that I wasn't because I I again the action is really good. It feels like they really want this to be like their version of John Wegg down to like the stuff with the dog and everything like that. Um like there's very similar uh motivations uh for for some of the things that uh Frank does here. And even also he kills a guy with a pen. Like uh, I don't know. It I don't want it to sound like I'm saying that the story here was bad, it just seems like the it was it it was not fully realized, and there's also just a point where I like I don't know that I would look at the little girl in the shop, for example, and having her idealize like give it give Frank a little gift, and like like I she just watched him murder so many people in in her dad's shop. Like, what I mean, granted, yeah, he saved her, but like I just don't know that this little girl would be so like hey, hey, Mr. Castle, here's the little flower, thank you so much. Like, uh like sure. I don't know. The there's I I don't want to go long in the tooth here. I just feel like uh it left a lot to be desired for me, and I think that um it was largely pointless for someone who already knows everything who's knows and seen everything that this Frank Castle has has has experienced and been through so far. Um I also just I didn't really care for John Berthell's performance in this one. Like again, comparing it to Gary, like this just seems so over the top compared to that.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:41

I was just gonna say it's so over the top.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:44

Yeah, and like I knowing what I know he can do because of Gary and the bear, like looking at this, it just it it seems disingenuous at uh if if that's the the best way for me to put it. Um insincere.

unknown 1:18:00

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:01

Like, especially like when he's sitting at his at his daughter's grave, he's like, no, no, no, no, like, all right, bro, like I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:08

I don't know, man. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:10

Whatever. That's me. Yeah. I had a fun time with it. I feel like this kind of scratched a little bit of my itch with not having him in Daredevil at all and just liking the character and wanting to see him back. So giving him a uh, I don't know if you guys have seen the raid movies, but giving him a 20-minute little section akin to the raid movies where he just gets to kill a bunch of guys, you know, that that's fun to me, but the entire premise behind it I thought was pretty lazy. I actually liked like the opening five to ten minutes way more than like everything past it from a story perspective, because it really was just like, let's find any excuse to just like allow him to kill a bunch of guys for the rest of the special presentation, and you know, just kind of low effort to get to that point, um, which which is unfortunate because I think the character has a lot of depth. Um, and as much as it is like a way to kind of catch people up who haven't seen the original show, I also think you need to have something uh for that audience who has put in a little bit more effort and has seen the whole show, you have to give them stuff to latch on to and some more depth within that as well. Otherwise, you're just gonna like, like you kind of said, give them something that they've already seen, and like it can still be fun, and you're happy to see Frank Castle be Frank Castle, but um, it can feel just like a retread of stories that we've already seen before and not a deeper exploration of the character, which is I think that's what we were expecting from it. We were not expecting a shallow story and then 30 men's minutes of straight action. I think from the trailers, we were hoping to dive deeper into the character. Um, and just like the weird choice to make this like a completely ambiguous time period. Like we're in New York, but nothing to do with the events of Daredevil, nothing tying into like where Spider-Man will go. Um, there's already been questions of like, okay, where is Spider-Man during the events of Brand New Day with Mayor Fisk being you know the mayor? Um, and now that's even furthered because we now have like a complete chaos anarchy portion of the city that seems to have no connection to anything. So it's almost like they want just anytime they want to tell a story, it's almost a new playground of New York that they can do anything that they want with just to tell whatever story they want to tell, with no ramifications on anything else. So it just seems a bit lazy. Um, I still think it's enjoyable, I still think it's a fun time. Um, I didn't regret the time watching it, but uh it just makes me wish that this was like you know, parts of this were in a longer like mini-series or something. Like if we got if we even got another season of a Punisher show, uh, I would have much preferred that. And then some of these things I think could have, you know, been more fleshed out and and worked better. But as its own standalone, just quick thing, it it it very much came and went and didn't feel like this like grand, awesome continuation right after that amazing season of Daredevil. Just kind of it was kind of whatever, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:33

Yeah, I mean, y'all have said uh everything that needs to be said about this. Um yeah, I feel like it was a lot uh over the top in a lot of aspects, uh, especially just like the Frank hallucinations. Like it borderline just didn't feel like like I the whole time I just kept thinking about that conversation with Daredevil in Born Again season one. Really any conversation with Daredevil that he's had, and I'm like, this doesn't feel like the same Frank to me. Like a Frank that's just literally acid tripping on like Borderline gonna, you know, take himself out right then and there. Um, like what he's living looks like a hell, dude. I wouldn't want to. Like it I don't know, it just it felt so odd to me. Um, it felt like a take on the character that doesn't feel needed right now, especially like Ben said, after Daredevil Born Again Season 2. I've never been a big uh you know voice of like, oh, we're Spider-Man, Spider-Man's on fraud wash just because of other stories happening. This again, over the top. I was like, dude, this is like borderline way too much.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:38

How is this yeah?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:39

How is this even like this is like fantasy? This is like fantasy. I don't think there's any part of America that's this bad. And if there is, like, nuke it. Like so uh it was it was just uh very rough, but I but I like I said, like Ben said, I had a good time with this one. I I gave it three, three and a half stars. Um, I still had a good time with it. I texted Brandon and I was like, hey, that was really good. Like I had fun, I think it was like the kills, and uh as soon as we get the action going and it lasts till the end, like all of that stuff is very enjoyable. That is like very cool Frank Castle stuff. Uh I I mean I could have done without it though, you know. Like I liked it a lot, but I I don't really feel like it was needed, or it was that's my thing, and that's I think why I'm disappointed with it.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:24

Is like I feel like I could have done without this, like I could have made up this and it would have meant nothing.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:29

Yeah, imagine like if if like our our grievances with it, like a a character breakdown and a character study on Frank and and this limbo that he's at in between Brand New Day and Daredevil Born Again season one, and like where you how you can make like give this character a new life or breathe some more Disney Plus life into him so that we can get some more seasons or that so we can see him in other projects. This is your moment to kind of shape him the way you want, so that this next chapter, like you did with Daredevil in Born Again Season One, these next chapters after this, these special presentations, shows, movies, whatever it is, feels so good and feels warranted and and feels like fresh, you know, and it doesn't feel like we're treading new ground. I think they did an amazing job with Daredevil with that. Um, and I it's not that I was necessarily hoping and going into this thinking that they would do that, but getting out of it, I'm like, man, could you imagine if they did? And could you imagine how awesome it would be if they did go that route? So the fact that they didn't, I I still think it's good. I had a good time with it. I gave it a thumbs up, I texted Brandon after, and I was like, this is very good. Like I really liked it. But you know, whenever you break down all the other nuances, it's like, all right, this would have been cool like a couple years ago, you know, like before Daredevil Born Again came out. But sure, as of right now, it's like all right, whatever.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:56

It's funny, I thought you didn't like it, Aiden, because I I I just I went on Letterboxd to to log obsession and I saw that you uh reviewed it, and I saw that you left like, and I think you do it with all your reviews, but for some reason I never see them, and I saw that you left a like an actual review with words, like the little icon that it shows. And so I was like, I wonder what he said. And I was like, I don't care, I got because I don't care about this, I don't care what he but then you you you put no no no no, and I so I thought I thought you didn't like it.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:22

I was like, oh okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:23

Um, but no, I was just doing no no no no no no no well because I did the same thing with obsession, I just put like bumba, bumba clut. So I just fucking threw something there, just so I felt like I had to put a comment if I watch it, but I don't think I do. I think I can just do it without the stars because I I just now went back and put the stars on it. Oh, then that's why I did that.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:47

I was just like, I need something you just log that you watched it. Yeah, you don't even have to log it, you could just say you watched like that's what Charlie does. See, I didn't know that. No, I log it.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:57

I log in. I didn't do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:58

Like with dates, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:01

You used to not. I used to not do it at all, but as soon as I started this year, I've been doing I've been logging it every time.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:08

I can't go back and like I can't just remember it and be like, I'll I'll log it after we record. Like, I have to log it and then go. But since y'all got spoiled on my Mortal Kombat one, I didn't put star ratings on Obsession or Punisher. Yeah, I mean, I just I log them and then I go back and just like them. Well, that's that's what I'm gonna start doing. And I I hate, can I just say this is off topic? I absolutely hate people that do just one-liner letterbox reviews, it's just the dumbest thing ever. It's just a people that are making jokes. But like for me, well, one, I thought I just had to make a comment so they could stay on one page. But uh, like I don't know. I'm just like, I don't really feel like giving a review for this. But sometimes if the movie truly, if I have some, if I truly have some thoughts on it, I'll I'll say some words. But can I yeah, just one-liner letterbox reviews that people just trying to be funny and oh god, I I put them in the streets of New York that Frank Castle was in in one last kill. That's yeah, put them there, like house them there, house those people there.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:06

Um, and then last thing I'll say is like I I don't I super don't see the point of this without knowing the future of the character, other than Spider-Man. Like, obviously, I know he's in Spider-Man, but what is he are you doing more with him after this? Is he just gonna stay as a as a Daredevil side character in in the Daredevil seasons? Like, I feel like you make this with the intention of doing more with the Punisher, yet we at least now don't know of anything else that's gonna be happening with the Punisher. So uh I don't know. Maybe that's like a nothing complaint, but just something that popped into my head.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:46

So Yeah, no, I agree. I think the bigger picture is something that's being just like completely ignored, just like even just the casual mention of, you know, all these crime families and whatever, like The control of New York and whatever like all of that, the chaos that we're in, it's like it just doesn't feel compatible with where we just were with Daredevil, because like that was such a significant thing. So you can't just you can't just throw a completely new, different, significant thing in the mix and have it work well, and then Spider-Man's gonna act like nothing else happened, and then we're gonna have more villains show up in New York. And it's like I don't at some point it's just kind of too much too much overlap with with not enough actual blending of anything interesting. Everything's just kind of doing its own thing, and I don't know. It I don't feel like Marvel used to be that way. I feel like they always used to talk about the bigger implications of stuff uh happening in different locations around the world, like they would have uh a news TV show that would be referencing an event from a different movie or even specific overlap between movies, setting stuff up, and like it was it was cohesive and it it flowed well together, and now the sandbox has gotten so big that it's just like they can't do all of that. Um I mean, we talked about this for a while, like more bigger picture MCU. It's like, how do you introduce mutants at this point in the MCU? That that's been like a big question. And how there's certain characters that it's just like, can you realistically actually bring them in at this point with where the world is with it making sense? So um I feel like it's almost gotten too big for too big for its own good. I mean, obviously we're thinking of reboots and whatnot, so uh but I don't know. Like, I think let's say we were post-reboot and they announced that there was a Punisher show or a Punisher special coming out, they'd probably just do whatever they want. So I don't know that it really matters. Um but anyways, I'm ranting about the bigger picture of the MCU. Doesn't really matter all that much. This thing was alright. I would have rather gotten a full-on Punisher season. Um I actually think I would take that over like another Daredevil season at this point. Only because we've only because we've gotten a good and really good season of Daredevil these last couple of years. I don't want like all the defenders to get their own show, but I would absolutely take another full season of Punisher.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:27

Just as long as John Bernthal isn't head of creative on his character. Oh, keep him the hell out of the writing room, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:37

Dude, the thing is, I just I feel I get I again, I just feel like it like the the beginning of this was was a good idea for the character. It's just the execution of it in the in the very end, I just don't I don't think was good. But also, I still hearken back to I don't know that even the beginnings of this story were were a necessary place for us to see the character in because I I thought it was already implied. Like it's I mean, just the fact that he goes and helps Daredevil et al with the anti-vigilante task force, those people have nothing to do with his family. They have nothing to do with them. And he's and he and he's he's out there doing that. So it's just like clearly he he's not only killing people that have to do with his family, or only killing people that get in his way. It's just like like he'll he'll he will go out of his way to help people who are doing or being wronged. Like he did it in season two of the original Daredevil show. He killed the the the pawn shop guy who had the freaking CP. Like I don't know, bruh. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:40

All right, moving on, the boys, season five, episode seven. The penultimate episode to the entire series as a whole, the finale is coming out here in just a couple of days. Charlie.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:56

I know I know I know men hated this episode the way he's been saying that.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:01

He's like the way he's saying that reminder of the entire show.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:08

Just to remind you, second to last episode of the boys that we are ever going to see outside of their hundreds of spin-offs that they're definitely going to do. Season five, episode seven, initial reaction in three, two, one.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:34

It's it's it's kind of getting it's getting it's getting hard to defend the show. Like, I'm I'm so tired of coming back with a great episode, but for the season, great episode for the season. The more edits I see of A-Train and everything that happened in episode one, and how great all of that was looking back and being like, we have one more episode. Cool, man. Like, what have we been doing? And I've been sitting here trying to defend it, and we get Frenchie's death, womp womp. Like, god, come on, man. Like, we've needed we've needed so much more. Was it we've needed so much more? It was. Listen, I didn't really, I didn't really feel much a day in your life.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:19

Good line. I'm like, I'll agree with you that Frenchie's part of that was handled well, but Homelanders, not in the slightest. Like, what are we talking about that he kills Frenchie and then just like leaves?

SPEAKER_04 1:33:33

Like, yeah, he leaves because he was interested in the in the thing before Frenchie did anything.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:38

He just doesn't think that everybody shows up. Okay, and sorry, I know I'm cutting you off, Aiden. I just have to get this off my chest because it's been bothering me since I watched the episode. I have the same sentiments. This episode would have been literally the exact same if Homelander did not get the V1. And that is pissing me off. That is pissing me off. So we had this crazy ending that we were like, okay, like let's ramp it up. Stakes are high, whatever. Butcher going, run all of a sudden. What's the opening scene of this episode? Is it Annie and MM vaping and meeting up with I thought about Charlie in that moment, just yeah, cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:20

Why is this name? Why are they vaping?

SPEAKER_01 1:34:24

But that but we don't like it. I don't I don't understand how we go from that ending to this episode. Like, there's legitimately just like maybe that's the next morning, but either way, there's a big time jump of like a huge cliffhanger that we're just not gonna touch. We're not even I don't even think it was mentioned, like how they escaped, whatever. And and so it would almost be like Homelander did what he did after killing Frenchie, which is like he got the V1 and then just left. It's like why? Like he would be able to tell, we know this, he would be able to see all of them right there in the woods. Like, we we see him use his his x-ray vision in this episode, so it's like so stupid. Like, you you don't even you know, it's the opposite of breaking bad, where it's like, let's write our characters into impossible situations, but then actually have a good, thoughtful solution to get them out of it. And here it's like, let's put them in impossible situations, and then oh, never mind, they're out of the impossible situation. Like the stakes are so gone, it's so stupid. V1 has had no effect on anything, they're just gonna remove it this last episode and kill Homelander. None of it matters. It's so stupid, it's pissing me off.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:44

Uh, also, just like do you really think Homelander just gave would give Frenchie just uh a nice calm quiet death so that Kimiko can come in and say her goodbyes? Like, in what world would he not just completely obliterate Frenchie? What does he have to lose? Again, he has V1. Now he just leaves, and Frenchie essentially just got stabbed in the gut and bled out so he can have his dying moment with Kimiko. And I'm like, we're we're sacrificing to be honest, like if that's what I'm saying. Like, that's what we're sacrificing this for? Like, we're we're sacrificing this badass Homeland.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:21

He could be saved even now with Marie.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:24

But yeah, but like, come on, are we kidding? Are we are we actually serious about the two minutes, the two minutes of Gen V characters when when basically this whole setup of like Marie is as powerful as Homelander and now Starlight, who has been on fraud watch this whole season, by the way, barely done anything, geez, dude, is gonna sit there and tell Marie what's all of that power good for if you don't know how to use it, if you can't control it, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:53

She won her first fight against Dog Not. I don't even know who this fool is, and I already know he's just like a nobody, bro. And like I didn't even watch it. I mean, I watched a recap for Gen V, and I'm like, what they recruited these people at the end of their season, and we have not seen them one bit. And the first time we see them is Starlight telling them back up, you don't know how to use your power, stay away, and then comes back by the end of the episode and says, I want you back. Why what are we Eric Kripke? Bro, what genuinely what goes on in your head? Like, are you just like sitting there with your thumb up your ass, dude? Like, what are we doing? This is your final season.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:31

He wrote it for Clara. He wrote it for Clara. Can I just say Clara?

SPEAKER_02 1:37:36

I know for bloody Clara because this is what she would have wanted.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:51

Uh so I know we uh obviously every couple weeks we got to hit our quota and mention the escape pod podcast. I hope that next week after the finale, that one of their next episodes is Eric Kripke. Just so I can see them, I know that they will absolutely eat him alive and not hold back. Uh, because they did that with like their poems for Invincible. So I hope that we get to see it because all that I've seen so far is like interviews or public statements from Eric Kripke, basically like self-glazed, defending himself, like not understanding the pushback and thinking that he did something incredible and put a lot of time and effort and care into the ending of his show. General consensus, the audit, the audience is not feeling that at all. And there's no acknowledgement of any any of this like huge downfall of the show. It just I don't know. I need to see like some actual I need to see some real deal journal journalism to hold him accountable for this.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:55

Oh man, um something I guess like uh some positives because I I liked it a little bit more than you guys, even though I agree with every point that you guys have put forth. Um I think Frenchie's death scene was great. Uh, my only thing that I'd say to you, Aiden, is like I I don't I don't think he has a reason to massacre Frenchie. Like at that point, Frenchie tells him that like they already replicated Soldier Boy's Powers, which by the way, we called that last week. We called that. I think it was you, Ben who said it.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:29

Uh I said the shout out shout out new rock stars. Dude, it was my girl Jessica. Yeah, who hosted the video? It was it was my girl Jessica, bro. I I called, I was like, Yeah, they pointed it out. I think that's what they're gonna do.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:43

And okay, you brought it up last week. Okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:47

Yeah, I just I remember saying I thought it would be stupid because we went from McGuffin to McGuffin to give Homelander the V1, only to not even use it for one episode, which I had originally said he didn't really use it for an episode, and now it's just gonna go away and he's gonna get killed, and who cares? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:05

Um I just I think killing Frenchy slow, like he probably also gets a like a sick, twisted uh idea of fun from that. It's like letting him die. He probably just because like they were in that enriched uranium room, so he probably just like cut him open so the re uranium was even uh could get into his body faster, that kind of thing, and I don't know, just left him there. But sure, yeah, it is kind of contrived, like it like it just so uh Kimiku can have her moment, which I think Kimiku's actress, uh forget her name, uh did it. I think it's Karen Fuka Fuka something. Fuka Hashi? Fuku sh I don't know. Um but uh she she did a great job there, I think. Uh please don't leave me, please don't leave me. I thought I thought that was uh really good acting for the moment. Um and I wanted to highlight also MM's moment. I don't know why he was in the name of this episode, but uh it just it didn't really seem like he had much to put forth here other than this little monologue, but I think it was a good monologue, nonetheless, of of just like how he got the name Mother's Milk and he how he like he's proud of it. I liked that a lot. Um which I'm just saying this as like a ha ha ha funny, but contrasting that with immediately after that happens, Dog Not and the cat girls start sniffing each other's asses. Which like there's a I'm not gonna complain about that scene too much just because that's the that is the the blood of the show. The show has always been like that, but I do have the caveat, and I as as as Aiden mentioned, or I think one of you guys mentioned it in your in your little review here. We say every week probably shouldn't be in the last season. You probably, especially in the penultimate episode, should probably be tightening some things up. And you can have moments like that, but don't like drag them out like that, uh, in in specific moments like this. Um, and of course, every week, Anthony Starr, he's a shiner. Uh, he's always great. Uh, especially like I that the little promo that they shot of him talking to Jesus. Like, I thought I thought that was good.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:19

Um stupid. Uh also can I say something? I I hate that that's the storyline this season. Like, it just it feels so cheap to me, and it's not something that really stood out. Uh, I guess the episode before this, it kind of started to stick out. It definitely started to stick out a little bit, but I wasn't very vocal about it because I did enjoy the episode somewhat. I I'm not I I just don't like it, man. I don't like it, especially seeing edits of like season three and billion homelanders season one, like their previous encounters, and like you think about season one Homelander, and I've seen a bunch of edits and stuff of like he he talked and he held himself as like I'm this great guy, and there were people out there that were like Homelander's a really good guy, and um, and then behind the scenes we knew what was going on, and Butcher was the one that was wanting to go kill him and kill the soups, and then it just gets so like a game of telephone levels of of just bad and throwing in like the I complained about this last season with the Starlighters versus Homelanders or whatever it was, and then now doing this this season, it's just like man, we've lost the plot like big time. You look at the first three seasons compared to four and five, it is night and day how different these shows are, and you I'm feeling it, I'm feeling it, and I think that's a big reason of why these past two seasons have sucked. I'll just say that has have not been good. Um and and I hate that this is the direction that we're going, you know. I I think back to season three, how high I was on this show when season three uh finished because of the direction that we were going. It felt like this was the crazy, oh my gosh, this could end this season, and I could I could see a finale come in because we're we're hitting the peak of this story. And then season five just completely pivoted. And man, the the the god stuff is just like I know this isn't where you were going, Charlie. I know this is like a a joke at that at that clip, but I hate it. I hate it, man. It it's just you can feel it, you can taste it. It's just like a a weird sensation in the air when that's been lingering throughout this entire season. I feel like it's funny.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:41

That's funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:42

You can make a good point though, Aiden. Like, upon reflection, we had a a really good first season, a great third season. Otherwise, it's been I don't like I hate the whole oh the the final season is making me reflect back poorly on the whole show, but it's happening, it it very much is happening.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:06

That's why season two, I think, is better than season four. I didn't have these feelings, like say what you want about season two. These feelings weren't persistent, these feelings weren't coming to light, like we still had some cool. I don't know, Homelander just used to be so behind the scenes evil. Uh, and it felt like us as the audience, it was a treat to see who that was behind closed doors. Where now it's like it's on display for everyone, and it feels like the world in this universe has just gotten dumber and dumber, and it's just out in the open what Butcher and all them are doing. Whenever it used to be so much, it's so fun when it was low-key and only they knew, and like they were recruiting people other people that were hurt by it and also knew. It's just, I don't know, man. Sorry, there's my rant for the episode.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:55

Uh, yeah, I mean, the only thing I'd say is I I the way things have ramped up, I feel like that's just par for the course. I think that that it had to happen at some point for Homelander to be more out in the open. Here's where something like I I will agree with, and I'll I'll present also a a new point is that uh there's no follow-through with a lot of the things that they set up. Um, and I cannot believe that I myself or any of us didn't have a complaint about this. Maybe we did, and I just didn't, I don't remember us talking about it. But the flight 3747 video, the way that that was put forth originally presented, Annie's like, I'll put this fucking video out, and what the fuck are you gonna do? And then he's like, I'll start with the power, the the uh power power station. I'll I'll start with electrical stations and I'll first I'll attack the power grid, then the water system, and you know what, I'll just take out New York after that because I fucking feel like it. And like that, I I remember us talking about that moment on the podcast. You can we can probably find a clip of it of just how the the doom and and and dread that I felt in that moment. Like, oh my gosh, bro, he this he he means this. And then the what do they do at the beginning? And and it feels weird because maybe we didn't talk about it because it was in episode one, and the highlight of episode one was everything with A-Train. Yeah, but they just threw that video away. That's literally what they did. Like, they had the moment where Annie puts it out, and then there's the second where like Homelander starts to turn on his heat vision like he's about to kill everybody in the room, and then uh Sage Sage pipes up and and says, No, we got this, and we turn it into we turn it into an AI thing. Which also knowing her plan now, that doesn't why just let him do that then. Let him do that, and then that would also put you forth towards your port towards your war thing, and then it raises the stakes of the show. It like in the last season, it it instantly just uh skyrockets everything, the potential of everything just goes off from there, man. And I I just somebody pointed that out on Twitter, I don't remember who it was, and I I just I I cannot believe we didn't talk about that and didn't focus on because that is a huge thing. I feel like that is a that is a that is an irredeemable, inexcusable thing that they did just just riding off the flight 47 video that's been hanging over his head for the past two seasons, and they just throw it away like it's nothing, and they and they they they make it mean nothing. Like that is that's egregious.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:39

That's and that's what I'm talking. I just look back and see Ben just lane.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:46

That's that's what I'm that just reminded me of Sage. And it's when I went on my little rant earlier, she wasn't even mentioned, but I I brought it up last week, and just the thought of her is like, oh my gosh, it's actually so good, it's so chopped.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:04

Yeah, and but that's that's what I'm like talking about. Like it felt like there used to be consequences almost, like that, like that flight uh 737 video or whatever it it was, like that was a couple of people seeing him in this state, and that could not be released because everyone just assumes that soups are great people, nobody knows that these things are staged, yada yada yada. Like that felt like there was there were stakes there, there were consequences there, and now he just does that like he could do that on a whim and no one would care. He's done stuff like that in public and nobody cares. And it's like, where like how where do you even take the show when it comes to things like that? You know, we're living in the worst timeline when it comes to hey, what what happens if we were to go all the way with this and take away all the consequences of Homelander being evil in public? So that just adds on to the point. I mean, yeah, I completely agree. It's yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:06

And also, some the person who said this on Twitter, and Aiden, I I mean, maybe you'll have referenced this for this because you watched a recap, but uh the reason the reason that the virus exists, the soup virus exists, is because of the flight 47 video or 3010, whatever it is. That is the reason the virus exists. The the dean of the of the college in Gen V, her family members, one of her family members was on the flight on that flight and died. And they she saw what Homelander did. And so she initiated this doctor to start making a soup virus. That's the reason we have that. And they just they just throw that video away. They throw it away. That it's just crazy to think about, man. Yeah. Like how this this final season has so many problems, man. And I it it sucks because as one of you mentioned, like this season has also so many good episodes, but just not for a final season. Um couple smaller issue, smaller issues. I have uh Homelander just choking out Soldier Boy. Like, oh, I didn't realize it was that easy. Like, all right.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:17

And I've heard the word killing black wall in the final episode.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:22

We're what do you say?

SPEAKER_01 1:51:24

I've heard we're not seeing Soldier Boy at all in the final episode.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:26

Yeah, that was reported by Discussing Film, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:28

Or if that's the case, people people were saying it's so that they could they could do uh like they could pick up the Vought Rising from from that point, like they're essentially sacrificing the final season for Vaught Rising.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:44

Yeah, like the season finale of Vaught Rising would be like a jump forward to him in the future, or in the technically the present right now. Yeah. This is this is just ridiculous. Uh and and um yes, this the the deep and and noir thing. Uh, I wanted to talk, even though that was last episode, I wanted to talk about that because like that's what he like as one. So I they never talked about how he's narcoleptic again, like like he was narcoleptic in season four. Never happened again this season. Uh, also he can get stabbed. Granted, it's by a soup, but still it's just a knife. He can get stabbed, and he but he can have a barrage of bullets shot at him and nothing pierces his his skin. And then also, he can be choked with a microphone cord. All right, man. All right. You can fly, right? Can't you fly? Why don't you just fucking fly? Deep can't fly. Like, what the fuck? Uh, little cool moment though, Samuel L. Jackson voicing a shark in the episode. That was cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:45

Yep. Any anytime I can get a a little MF out of Samuel L. Jackson, I'm there for it. I didn't actually recognize it like immediately, immediately. It was probably like 10 seconds in that I was just like, wait a second. That's Samuel Jackson. But then what I the deep just like bailing?

SPEAKER_04 1:53:08

Like well, he I he he did that just because he doesn't want to die. Because they he said if he steps a they said if he steps a toe in the water, we're gonna kill you.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:17

And so he's not saying that's like him not doing that isn't gonna probably get him killed anyways. I don't know. Oh, sure, sure, sure, sure. It it seems a little stupid, and the fact that, like, I mean, we don't really know the deeps, quote unquote, underwater powers, like we've seen him ride aquatic animals, but other than that, we haven't seen anything else that's really water-related, even though he literally has gills. Like, it's yeah, I don't know. It's weird.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:44

I did like Sam Jack, the shark. He's like, Come on, Kev, get in the water, man. Before he starts thundering it, he's gonna kill him. Hey man, come on, just take a little dip.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:55

Good stuff, good stuff. Enjoyable moments. I think you guys have made me lower my uh my score on the not score, but just my thoughts.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:04

Uh it just like it. I I just actively get pissed off thinking about it and watching it. So it's kind of hard for me not to like only express negativity, even though there's good uh there's good I was gonna say moments, but I mean like micro moments that happen. I don't even think that the the moments as a whole are good because they're usually parts of them are usually tainted by other things. So there's small, small bits of things that I think are are good, but as the penultimate episode, not good enough. Yeah. And a short finale.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:46

Yeah, it's not it's just gonna be an hour like every other episode. And there's there's so much to do, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:53

Like I just I don't see it happening. I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:59

Alright. With that being said, we'll move into our final topic of conversation for tonight's episode. The new horror film obsession directed by Curry Barker. Our initial reaction in three.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:29

Peak cinema, baby. Peak cinema, bro. Peak cinema? Peak cinema. Yes, peak.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:35

Peak cinema. It's it's it is it is knocking at a Project Hail Mary's door for number one movie of the year for me.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:43

Oh, I like it. It is it. Um I know you're not a big horror fan, so like for horror movies all time, would this be like one of your favorites?

SPEAKER_04 1:55:55

Oh, it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:56

It's my top horror movie of all time.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:58

I think I think it I think it I think it beats out Sinners. Even the Sinners is like horror adjacent. Whoa, I think it beats out Sinners for me. Yeah. I think it does.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:07

Holy Bumba indeed. I think it does, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:10

Oh my gosh. Just like the because like I I would argue, I know it is technically labeled horror, but like our Sinners for the large section of the movie, I don't think that like it's it's more like thriller than than horror. It's more like horror adjacent thriller action-esque, maybe. Um not that like I mean, I guess if if I want to put it in the horror tab, maybe it's not better than than than Sinners, but I guess I just didn't I don't view Sinners as a straight-up horror movie. But like from a horror movie perspective, this the things it makes you fucking feel, bro. Yeah, like it leaps and bounds above uh Sinners as a horror concept. Uh obviously Sinners makes you feel things, it makes you feel uh numerous things. Um But this sitting in those creepy, eerie moments, I'm I like I'm cringing, I'm not wanting to look at the screen. I'm uh I'm like, oh hell nah. Like I so many different like uh feelings all at once that I just part of what let me say it like this part of what for me I don't care for in horror movies, jump scares don't work for me. They like they hardly ever get me. There's except I get jump scared at stuff that has this I don't even think is supposed to jump scare you. I I think back to last year. Uh what was that what was that uh war movie um with Will Poulter and Stranger Things Modern Warfare, thank you. I was gonna say modern warfare.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:01

I was thinking of civil war, but same director.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:04

Yeah, same director. Um like I I think there's a there's a moment in that movie that scared me. I think it was when the jet uh they do the the Passover, like that just how loud that got that scared me as a jump scare. But uh jump scares largely don't work on me. And I I saw this at in an interview with Curry uh Barker, the director, after I saw the movie, and like he he put it very succinctly, uh and I think it I think it was with um Strahat Goofy actually. He said that like the modern day jump scare is just like that feeling of like, oh, I don't like that. Like, that's not a get that away from me kind of thing. And I I completely agree because like that's where you get me, is those kind of feelings, and this movie has that in mass, and it's just oh my gosh. And then of course, of course, Indy Indy Navaretti's her performance is uh phenomenal, like it's she's being right rightfully praised in in every facet, like this it is, it is truly something to behold. Um, and I just I don't know, I can I can rave about this movie uh the whole time, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:10

Yeah, what you just said is something that needs to be like really highlighted, which is like this kind of unsettling horror is a million times better than a lot of the stuff that we get nowadays, stuff that's overly reliant on jump scares, or even like a even like an evil dead or something like that. That's like it's not even necessarily jump scary as much as it is just like gross. Like I would much rather feel an uncomfortability because of the situation that's happening, and not because what I'm looking at is like just a disgusting thing or or just a cheap jump scare or whatever. So absolutely, I think that's true. Um, and I'm I am here to make a bold claim, and I'm gonna make it early on so that we can talk about it. Oh gosh. I think that Michael Johnston as Bear in this movie is actually the best performance in the movie. Wow, no.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:09

Oh, yeah, no, I don't agree with that.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:11

And the reason why I think that is um I think for Indy, obviously, great performance for her as Nikki, but she is doing like she's kind of just tapped into the crazy, if that makes sense. Um, obviously there's still like a lot of variety, but in general, like it's um it's a very you know, all of it is kind of on the the extreme side of of things, whereas I feel like the progression that uh Bear's character goes through throughout the movie, um, to me, like I I just think he's being very overlooked, and I actually think like the kind of reaction to her crazy side of things, um, ultimately I found to be like a little bit more like impressive. Only for the reason of just like she almost had the freedom, and this has been confirmed by like the whole cast and and Curry and whatnot as they've they've done interviews and whatnot, but she had a lot of freedom with like how she did her crazy and tapped into her crazy, yeah. And so I actually think that she had more more, I guess freedom is the best way to put it, uh, to pick like a range of what that looked like. Whereas for Michael Johnston, he then had to have like the proper reaction to what that ended up being. So um obviously, like I praise both of them, and I I think a lot of the talk is gonna be on indie, and especially with Amy Madigan winning for weapons last year. Like, there's people who are saying, send her to the Oscars, it could happen, it could happen in a horror movie. Um, and I don't disagree with anybody who's saying that. I just think we're seriously seeing uh Michael Johnston being overlooked for his performance as Bear, as kind of just like the reaction and the secondary side of Nikki in the movie.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:07

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:07

I could agree that he's probably being a little overlooked, but I don't know that he's the best performance, but also he is he is also one of the worst characters in fiction ever. Like he's it was borderline, very uncomfortable. Um, I I link it to like Talk to Me a lot, how I felt during Talk to Me versus how I felt in this movie, solely because you take the premise, you take a bare, bare bones premise, you know, at face value, and what you can do with it, how cool you can make that. Um the director, you know, fully leaning into that and exploring it is so fascinating to me. And I I feel the same way about both of those movies, where one of the main scenes is where we get a peek into, and I'm I'm forgetting, I'm forgetting exactly what happened in the scene, but we get a peek into what a character who is in a coma right now, what they are experiencing, and it is literal hell. Like you think about it and you're like, if I ever have to experience anything like that, I'm cooked, like I'm done for. Uh I I can't I cannot physically think of anything worse than what I am seeing on screen right now. And that feeling, that feeling of dread and just like the walls closing in on you. It's what I felt during Talk to Me. And it's what I felt whenever he said, Oh, I do you want to do you want to hear her? This is her right here. This is Nikki. And she's just screaming violently through the phone. Things like that are just it, it's like a it's a feeling that is few and uh far in between, if I'm saying the phrase right, when it comes to horror movies. And talk to me, amazing experience. Um, the feelings I felt in that movie, I didn't think I'd be able to feel it again. And and and that's what obsession was was bringing out of me. Just the feeling of dread throughout the entire movie, but also when it comes to these lives and putting yourself in in these people's shoes, even just the moment of of Sarah telling him, Hey, uh Ian, I think his name is Ian and Nikki have been hooking up on and off, like for years. It's like, damn, dude. Like, I just his face dropping right there. It's like, yo, bro, you are done for. Like, you're uh like, even just that. I know he's a horrible person, but I'm like, that's gotta sting. Like that your buddies just smashing the girl of your dreams on and off for the past couple years, and you just did this wish on her and ruined her life, and you're just gonna keep doing it. Like, yeah, uh, everyone sucks, everyone absolutely sucks. Yeah, it's like it's a lot.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:44

He is such a terrible person because, like, right before the wish happens, getting the opportunity when she asks him, Do you like me? And she's like, now would be the time to tell me.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:56

And the fact that, like, his do y'all think she has feelings for him? I I didn't know if this is where you're going, Ben, but I just want to ask this before I forget. Do you think that she had feelings for him?

SPEAKER_04 2:05:08

Oh man. Um, off of that scene, I would have said yes, but then later on, if Sarah, uh it depends if Sarah was lying or if Ian was lying about Sarah saying it, um, we're told that uh apparently Nikki said that she looks at Bear as like a little brother. So, like, if that's the case, then no. But I love that scene, yes.

SPEAKER_01 2:05:31

Uh-huh. Yeah, that's the thing. I would be more inclined to believe that Nikki actually did like him and that Sarah is lying to try and get with him because Sarah likes him, is what I would be more inclined to believe.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:45

It also like the the way I think about it is like he went through all of this when he could have easily just said, Yes, I have feelings for you, and it could have worked out. Like that that feeling right there, that thought makes this movie like enhances literally everything that happened because it's like, dude, you just screwed everything.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:02

But he literally he could have just said, I wish that I had told Nikki that I had feelings for her. Like that he could have just said that, but instead, like you know, going to the extreme. But yeah, I just I don't see Ian like based on their friendship and Ian also pushing him to ask Nikki out and talk to her and whatnot. I really I don't know if I can believe that behind Bear's back he's been sleeping with Nikki. I I don't know if I can really buy into that.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:31

He told he told Bear, he told Bear at the end of the movie. Oh yeah, like I was gonna tell you, but I still don't even think that that like I because he I mean I I still don't I still don't really think there's a lot of weight there either. It's like, yeah, maybe they just hooked up and like one time, a long time ago, but he's like, no, dude, genuinely go for her, and like I'm not gonna tell you we hooked up because like it's gonna you know ruin things with us, but you know, I think we should. I I still don't see why he would be pushing so hard for him to ask her out if he didn't think that there was truly a chance there. So I think regardless of that, our point still stands. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. It's it's brutal.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:12

And like there's there's the idea of the way if the movie went this way, like where he he did say it professed his feelings and she didn't feel that way, same way in that car there, and then he made the wish. Like then he's just an outright villain uh throughout the movie, and I think that I like this approach more because like initially he makes the wish and he doesn't know if it worked right away. Of course, like he has his he definitely has his thought, like he's not a stupid character. I mean a little bit, a little bit, a little bit, sure. Uh, but like he has like those if he's genuinely not thinking at all in that very moment when he starts noticing her acting weird, that like what what just happened, like if there's no if he just looks at that as a coincidence, okay. Uh, but then I think that there's a little part of him that might think that it worked, and then he's trying to like find a way to justify it by like looking up the MDMA thing and like just finding, oh no, she's only acting this way. She he's trying to get himself out of it, um in a sense. But then the moment where he is inexcusable, unredeemable to me, um, is after that phone call when he finds out about the friend zone thing in the restaurant, and then he goes back and sits down with her and he says, Do you love me? And she says, Of course I love you. And he says, more than anyone in the world. He specifically he knows why he was wording it like that. And she said, Yes, more than anyone in the world. At that moment, you know the wish worked. You know the wish fucking worked. And what do you do? You go home and you have you have sex with her right after that. What the fuck? You you are you are that you are graping her. Like, what are you talking about, bro? Oh my god. Like, I mean, sure, he doesn't know how the wish works. Like, he doesn't, I he doesn't know that it's her conscious being separated, but like you should have some sort of idea of her acting differently. Like you've you've known Nikki for how long? You should know that this isn't exactly how she acts. Like, I don't know. It he's at that point, that's the point where he crosses the line. He's irredeemable. And then it just he doubles down with the phone call, which I wish I hadn't seen this in the marketing, but the phone call where he asks to alter the wish, which which I think this was the very first trailer for the movie. Like, uh can I alter a wish? But but before he says to alter thing, he's presented with the option to cancel it, even though that wasn't really an option. But he doesn't know that. He's presented with would you like to cancel your wish? He's like, No, no, can I just alter it? You're a piece of shit. And then, dude, all the one that killed me though. Like, obviously, the restaurant one killed me, the very first revelation. But the one that killed me is in the bedroom when she's when possessed Nikki or whatever is asleep, and real Nikki is talking through her, and she's like, Please kill me, Mare. Please, please, please, please don't wake her up. Uh, and he says, Oh my god, this loser. He says, It would being with me really be that bad that you'd you you'd like to die instead, like, oh my god, and he just walks away, dude. Fuck this fucking guy, man.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:14

Holy shit, it is it is so like it is the movie of dread and torment. Like, you're just you just have to be a bystander, like a a witness to this torture of this poor girl. It is horrible, it's so hard to watch, dude. And yeah, that moment, or she's like, please just kill me. I was like, Oh my god, what are we happening? Bro, I sat there and I was like, What are we actually doing with this movie? Like, this is fucking demented. Someone check Cory Bar or uh Curry Barker's fucking energy.

SPEAKER_01 2:10:47

Holy shit! No, it's great, and so like some of the little things that happen in the movie made me realize how genius some of their marketing was. Like, I remember I think it was discussing film that was just like, Oh, we just got sent a pizza by Nikki. Should we eat it? And I was like, What? Like, what does this mean?

SPEAKER_02 2:11:08

And then you get to the scene with the sandwich, and I'm like, Oh my gosh, it's just oh, dude, what a super low-key moment that was like bone chilling is when he's like talking with her, he's like, What you did last night was scary. Like, I just I want to make sure we're good. And he's like, Okay, we're fine. And he turns around and his face just drops, and you're like, bro, what is going on? And he just cuts and it's all duct taped. I like that is just such like a it's such a like nothing moment, it's such a low-key moment. But like, that was like one of the scariest moments in the movie for me. Just turning like the camera cutting, and it's just duct taped everywhere. I was like, This is twisted.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:50

Yeah, that that, and then um like right before that, when he gets home and realizes that she had been standing there all day waiting. for him to come home. That whole thing of just like because at that point, like we had kind of gone back and forth with like even right when the wish happened, like there was kind of the snap back and forth of the wish being active but then kind of Nikki coming back and be like, whoa, I'm acting weird. Like let me go inside whatever. Uh it kind of went like a little bit back and forth. But then at some point when it just like kind of fully locked in um with this new entity Nikki will will call her. And yeah, some of those moments just like so uncomfortable and just like the the ability to commit to a concept the way that they did and explore that in such uncomfortable ways. I just think that it's it's awesome to see that from like a brand new filmmaker. Just because it you know it it shows that like new people coming into the space and bringing their ideas and whatnot is only going to be a positive thing when you could see outcomes like this. We didn't even we haven't even mentioned that um even the aspect ratio of this movie is in 4-3. Like that's not even a topic of conversation like how it was filmed the coloring another uncomfortable um scene in the movie is the scene where she's watching him sleep and just like the lighting within that scene combined with the vocal performance um just her face is like distorted I was I was my heart was in my fucking stomach bro like when the when he when the the moment when she's in the dark and then like she disappears later and you just hear screaming her screaming off in the distance somewhere fuck and then right after that when he tries to get out of bed and she's hey like oh my god oh my god no the moment that like made me shit myself was the fucking reverse walking where like she revered slower moved to the kitchen I was like fuck it fuck this fuck this wait she actually might be crazy dude gosh it was just it's horrible what a fucked up twisted movie I want 20 more like give them all to me I want to dude I want to talk about the ending um we've talked spoilers but spoilers ahead um so as the ending was happening um I had a million things going through my head and I actually feel like they could have ended this movie like five different ways and all of them could have worked very very well um obviously like a route that they um could have gone um is she doesn't make a wish and then he just you know overdoses and whatever um and then the other thing that was happening is right as the actual ending was happening um I thought to myself I was just like I don't know if I like this ending with uh him overdosing and then Nikki waking up I actually thought uh that if if he had truly like contemplated shooting himself contemplated uh drugging himself but then he was trying to gag it up before um before he you know got snapped into his wish um I I thought man if he had actually like tried to basically escape two times but then you know this whole thing of he's just like a big wuss and can never commit to anything like that's his whole problem if he did that two times and then ended up with her I thought that would have been a little better. But then like in a moment of realization as he was dying I was like oh wait she's about to wake up and then obviously like holding the gun I'm like oh my gosh so between the dynamic of like he had two opportunities to kill himself that would have woken her up and then um obviously with her wish that she was doing like there's all of those concepts at play all at the same time that like I feel like any of those avenues would have been a really interesting ending. Ultimately I like the one that they went with mainly because like I think how they then actually ended the movie was done very well which is like the you know the the camera does the flip and then we just kind of linger on the credits with uh with the kind of torment happening which obviously like that's terrible but that's like such a good way to end the movie it reminds me of a movie that they said that at least Indy said she was inspired by which is Pearl and Aiden if you remember the ending of that movie or is she laughing the entire time or is she it's like Mia oh you've seen it you've seen it I talked about the podcast oh no she's just smiling she's just smiling at the and the credits yeah it's like a two and a half three minute take of Mia Goth uh with the credits rolling so similar kind of thing so I just like I'm very impressed because usually when I get to an ending of a high concept movie it's usually like okay I'll be happy if they do this I won't be happy if they do this there's not a ton of options but I feel like they they explored so many creative things that that could have worked out well for the ending and that just goes to show like how well they wrote everything up to that point where there's so many different ways things could go I I will say there have been two movies all year and I had to I had to double check my letter box there have been two movies all year that I've seen that about a quarter or a halfway through the movie I was like I wish like part of me wishes I could just like skip to the end because I'm dying I'm literally clawing to see how this ends but I want to see the journey so bad it's just such a weird like conflict I have in my head.

SPEAKER_02 2:18:04

What's the other one? I am I'm I'm genuinely so excited to see how this ends and it's a drama this and the drama were the only two movies this year where I'm like I am genuinely so excited to see how this ends. I am just excited for the journey like if this were gonna go on another two hours I'm I'm more than happy I just I'm I'm so excited to see where we take this and how it ends. Um and I felt that when they were laying in bed um I think after they had just finished having sex or maybe it was when she's like screaming at him after watching him sleep and I'm like how do you end this like I I want to get to the end so bad but I also just want to sit in this moment because I'm enjoying this so much and I'm so locked in. So yeah that'd be all all props to the to the ending I liked it a lot. I think it was like all right how do you make this even worse have him kill himself take the the you know um uh sleeping pillow that's the word I'm looking for no like the coward's way out have him take the coward's way out and then have that break her curse so now she's just sitting there with all three of her friends dead and it's all her doing and she's just woking back up how do you make this worse oh yeah you do that and then you just end the movie that's absolutely brutal man uh again just driving home the point that Bear is like literally the worst character in all of fiction uh did you see the report that there was like they end one of the endings was her killing herself so they still had blood on the ceiling and you can see it in the take like when the when it ends and it's moving the camera see blood on the ceiling from the first take of the original ending yeah yeah there's so many things in that ending that like I'm I'm sure there's lots of Easter eggs that that will be noticed upon further viewing but like obviously um after Sarah was was killed which oh my gosh my gosh apparently they cut out like five head smashes because it would have gotten an NC17 rating which I'm kind of shocked by that because like I don't really know how that would have like scratched the surface of being NC17.

SPEAKER_01 2:20:15

I feel like there's plenty of R-rated movies that have done way worse. Yeah obviously still like a brutal scene but um yeah Nikki tattooed herself and was wearing Sarah's clothes uh was wearing her hair I'm pretty sure as well uh all in that final scene like knowing that you know her her suspicion that Bear had feelings for for Sarah now like because she is not convinced that he loves her as much as she loves him she's trying to become what what she thinks he likes in Sarah. So just like you know that at first I was just like okay I understand that Sarah was killed but like why is her naked body just sitting here and it's like oh because you know she was scalped and her clothes were taken and whatever and somehow we you know we had time to to draw on ourselves and whatnot but um just like a a crazy way to kind of bring everything uh together and then Ian Ian showing up just to get shot um why did he go there I just like he says bro I have a million a billion dollars he was there he watched you do that like why did you have to come to the fucking why do you gotta go to this house bro that got a chuggle but it it really like I would have thought if he was going there he would he would have been like begging for an apology and trying to help him but sure he was like yeah it was kind of odd that he just like completely tones I'm like do you not I mean I guess he wouldn't have understood the weight of the situation going on right now but like you're trying to call Sarah like you got some weird you like Bear just shows up covered in blood and doesn't ever give you an explanation and you're just like I got a billion dollars bro like okay that was kind of a weird shift for a second dude I honestly her acting the way she just like pay right back to it bro I honestly scream it oh my gosh for um for Ian's character when he was about to do his wish uh because like obviously I knew we were building up to like okay he's gonna wish something that bear doesn't want him to wish and it's gonna be bad. Yeah I honestly thought he was gonna be like fine if this works I wish I was dead or something like that. Like something a little bit more not a not a positive for him but something that would have caused a little bit more harm or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 2:22:38

But yeah I I saw somebody tweet before I saw the movie someone was like uh they quote tweeted the trailer or some someone's review and they were like uh this is why my point still and they hadn't watched the movie but they were like this is why my point still stands that wishing for a billion dollars never goes wrong and someone quote tweeted it and was like crazy you say that that's pretty good I like how it all just fell from the sky too like it just started filling up his house.

SPEAKER_04 2:23:06

I think that that was a a cool moment. And I like they just he just sits there and stares at him and like I I that's a a nod to Michael Johnson's performance too like he just the anger in his face and the disappointment as he's looking at Ian like like you just wasted my last opportunity. Because like sure he's gonna go home and try for Nikki but like there's no way Nikki's gonna do that. But something else I wanted to say like funnily enough with having him go and ask Ian for the to to to wish for that everything that uh as I was watching it with Cassidy she had so many like I just do this I just do that. The the movie did all of those things that she would do and like he still like this it still ended up going in that direction in the direction that it went in. And so I love it for that and just because she's like I'd I'd just go ask my for my friend to to uh make the wish for me like all right well look look what happened um but I I I truly I can't speak highly enough of this movie.

SPEAKER_00 2:24:07

I mean oh dude also the scene of when he opens the the letter after Sarah's dead and then like she got in like man that fucking hits um just phenomenal stuff bro I don't I agree that like maybe we should take a look at Gurry Barker because like he's got this this man he's got some he's got some some demons up there.

SPEAKER_01 2:24:32

But it's great though like the fact that the fact that he's doing a Texas chainsaw massacre movie already like that franchise as a whole which I've only seen a couple of the movies so um I can't speak you know in a in totality for them but like from the ones that I've seen they're complete buns so like if you just tell me that somebody who is a newer voice in horror that like clearly has a deep creative bag is going to be attached to a franchise movie like that I'm in like I I'm very excited now for a franchise that I couldn't care less about at this point.

SPEAKER_02 2:25:10

Yeah yeah I uh it's my fifth favorite movie of the year I gave it four stars four and a half stars number two yeah it's number two it's number two for me right now as well but I haven't seen truly uh Nirvana and yeah I haven't seen that either well like I was remember what your other ones are that I haven't seen Aiden the the behind the drama movies behind the so I have uh there's two movies on here in my top five that I have over obsession that I was more that I was higher on than y'all two um my list goes Project Till Mary Nirvana the drama bone temple obsession like I loved bone temple and I loved bone temple too but I I love the drama um I could I could maybe even make a case for Bone Temple but I I gave Bone Temple four and a half and it's four stars on like I don't know I love Bone Temple I don't want recency bias to get me because I did walk out of Bone Temple being like that was fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_01 2:26:08

Sure uh so I think just based on my star ratings yeah based on my star ratings but the drama fuck man the drama cinema like uh man are drama drama's really fucking awesome bone temple's out of my top ten after this sorry sorry gents I just didn't feel like I did feel things with the drama but I just the array of things I felt in this movie uh was just it was just more and stronger than in the drama top five which as a whole like I haven't I haven't given out a ton of high ratings like my five through three are all seven out of tens and then uh top two are higher but my top five in the five it's iron lung which is a movie I think I'm the only one who's seen and I think I liked it more than most people I want to rewatch it just because like that's in your five that's in my five yeah uh at a seven out of ten then the drama also a seven then hoppers which those two I kind of go back and forth on but I liked hoppers and then obsession the runner up at a four star and Project Hail Mary four and a half stars um my top five are uh Michael at number five uh the bone temple at number four the drama at number three obsession at number two and Project Hail Mary at number one okay so the only thing uh Charlie ours are like literally exactly the same except I just have obsession over well our top movies like our top movies uh except I have Nirvana so Michael bumps to six and nirvana's at two nirvana the order's different but the movies are all there wait by the way because I said I said a couple weeks ago that I I I I would watch Nirvana do did you watch the show before watching the movie? No because there's a show called Nirvana the banned the show okay you just watch the movie yeah I just watched the movie and you should be fine with it um you should be fine just watching the movie but uh yeah yeah I like my list so far I think everything's in a good spot Ben you'd be proud of me i've I've tried to crack down a little bit I'm like you know what I I want to save my five out of five stars like Project Home Mary almost got me but I I held strong nirvana Nirvana got close but you know there's just I'm like I can't be handing these out like it's Christmas candy or uh Halloween candy so um I have four four and a half star movies everything else is four or less so I you know I need my props I need my props but I I mean I have one but good for you what is project your five and a half stars I have one he has one four one four gotcha but wait which one is that one Project Homery Project Hill Mary what really I thought you only gave it four stars I said I was going back and forth it it landed it landed at four and a half yeah I mean I love the drama I love nirvana I love bone temple so yeah I can't compromise anymore I only have Project Hill Mary and Obsession four and a half stars but I noticed this like looking at last year by the time we hit like late June and then July through September so many of my top movies of the year started to fill in like other than Sinners everything else was like mid to late year like it was Superman F F1 Frankenstein like a lot of heavy hitters towards the end of the year so I think literally everything for me yeah aside from sinners yeah right so I'm expecting that to happen again considering I've given out one four and a half and one four it's like I'm certain that a lot of the summer movies and fall movies are gonna clear those oh yeah I'm I'm gonna hit some five stars and I'm not gonna be apologizing about it it's gonna be it's gonna be one of those ones what do you think your first five star gonna be odyssey uh man that's uh that's a really good question what would be the first five star movie of the year it's it's gotta be Odyssey uh I feel like it's gotta be let me see uh Moana live action question mark first five and a half star movie it's nothing I'm gonna say I'm gonna I'm gonna say something kind of crazy don't say first five star movie for me I think my first five star movie is gonna be disclosure day I knew it I actually knew it that that trailer is so insanely good I think that'll be my first five star movie I have a feeling that he's gonna hit that's actually exactly what I thought you were gonna say I think my first five star movie is gonna be Dune 3 that's a crazy oh dude Dune 3 is gonna be my favorite movie of the year like I'm I might as well just put it there right now it'll be my favorite movie of the year but I just don't I could see the Odyssey getting five stars for me too but maybe not I think it will I I don't know I mean with recent Christopher Nolan I just I don't see how this could miss personally what do you think what do you think y'all are gonna rate Spider-Man brand new day for really I might go four and a half off on that one I feel I'm leaning more towards four and a half but I can see I hope it does but I just I I think it'll I think it'll be a little lower trying to temper my expectations a little bit who knows maybe maybe Toy Story 5 maybe Mandalorian and Grogu all right all right all right let's get out of here thank you all so much for tuning into the Words from the nerds podcast we will be back next week we will hear a little bit more attack on Titan talk uh we might dive a little bit more into Gary Charlie's gonna finally watch some of the punishment movies that he has had sitting for the last couple of months and of course we will also have the boys finale and maybe the Mandalorian if these guys decide to check it out.

SPEAKER_04 2:32:33

So of course Saturday tickets already booked maybe Thursday tickets actually why would I not watch that buddy I'm just hey I've had my tickets for like a month so I'm just you know I'm a little upset I'm right here I'll pull up my receipts okay I haven't bought my I don't ever buy tickets unless it's for a Marvel movie like way out um really I do it every time I like picking my seat yeah oh no I still get to pick my seat my my town they it stuff does not fill up unless it's a Marvel movie if it's a Marvel movie it fills up well yeah that's the thing you go to the theater like alone nobody in your town goes to see movies.

SPEAKER_01 2:33:10

Oh I was like I was so confused actually obsession uh what obsession uh wow wow obsession was full obsession was actually full uh obception inception extraction that one I didn't see that one at theater so uh April okay uh doxing okay dang April 17th baby that's actually that was a month ago you bought these tickets a month ago great wait actually I need to see if um I need to see if I'm earlier because this would be really embarrassing for my brand what were you saying Charlie what was it what was I actually you beat oh oh yeah I'm kinda what day it's April 23rd oh my gosh I beat you by a week what the flip well okay okay I was waiting on like five People to see if they were coming or not, and I had to wait, get answers, and then I got I got the tickets.

SPEAKER_04 2:34:06

So sure. See what I do, I just I'll buy the seats, and then like if they want more seats, I'll just buy them later. Buy them after what if you need less seats? Return. You can return. If you buy them individually, you can return.

SPEAKER_02 2:34:20

Oh, what you just called Ben?

SPEAKER_01 2:34:22

Yeah, you called me return.

SPEAKER_04 2:34:24

That's crazy. You can refund, you can refund seats, at least with cinemarkets.

SPEAKER_01 2:34:28

I'm refunded as well. Wow, okay. All right. Let's get out of it.

SPEAKER_04 2:34:32

What I was saying was uh I'm actually kind of bummed though. Uh the only thing I'm bummed about with getting so into Attack on Titan is that I've been strictly watching that. And I as I told you guys that I started my rewatch of uh The Mandalorian, and that is that that's gone and forgotten. So uh hopefully yeah, I'll be okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:34:53

Going into the movie. Hopefully, I'll be okay going into the movie.

SPEAKER_02 2:34:56

I I can't, I can't.

SPEAKER_01 2:34:58

Having not seen season three. You're probably in the best position, then.

SPEAKER_04 2:35:04

You know, there's no like major lore stuff in season three that would that you think will be relevant in the movie.

SPEAKER_02 2:35:11

I don't think so, to be honest with you. I think you'd be better off just watching the the Boba Fett episode rather than watching season three. Like that's you watch season two and then the boba fett episode, and you're pretty much good.

SPEAKER_01 2:35:25

Yeah. Because that boba fett episode is one of the best episodes of the Mandalorian. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:35:32

I mean, I'm just great. I I dude, I I loved that discourse when it was all happening. It was awesome.

SPEAKER_01 2:35:39

All right, send us home, baby. Yep, big big week next week. But thank you all so much for tuning in, and we will see you all next time. Sayanara. Adios.

SPEAKER_02 2:35:57

Actually quitting. No, yeah. Hold on, we gotta sit on that one for a little bit.