We Just Finished Attack On Titan... | WFTN #141

BIGGGGG time episode today as we have a complete breakdown of attack on titan season 4 from a first time watcher!! This discussion was so massive we had to fit it into 2 separate episodes so leave a comment with your thoughts and we will be sure to talk about it on next weeks episode!!

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5:10 Attack On Titan Season 4 Review
1:28:00 What Anime Is Next For Charley??

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Back to the words from the nerds podcast. This is a little bit different. So we'll get into the Attack on Titan discussion. Uh, if you didn't watch last episode and you're only watching this one, if you're a new viewer, we had a three-hour episode that we recorded talking about a ton of things. Uh, we started with Attack on Titan, which went for an hour and a half. And then we had our Mandalorian and Grogu review, the boys. We talked about box office stuff. So, because our Attack on Titan uh discussion was so good, and because it was so long, instead of uploading a three-hour episode, I decided to splice it. So you'll see me get into an intro here, uh uh talking with Brandon and Charlie. All of that still stands, it's just gonna be a little bit different. There won't be any time codes down below that pertain to these other projects, it will just be an attack on Titan episode. So uh fast forward through that or disregard the little intro that I do. Um, but I introduce Brandon and Charlie. So it's it's I don't know. If you're a first-time viewer, you can kind of uh get that introduction. So no Ben on this episode. Uh it is just me, Brandon, and Charlie talking about Attack on Titan, and it is a lot of fun, especially because Charlie has never seen Attack on Titan before. So this is a first-time viewer watching Attack on Titan and getting all of his thoughts um of all the fun stuff on your feet, Dad, all of that glorious, uh, glorious thing. So enjoy the episode. Leave a comment, let us know what you thought about our Attack on Titan discussion. Uh, and we will read it out loud on next week's episode, whenever it's me, Charlie, and Ben back to business. Uh, and if you want to see us talk about any of the topics that we talked about in the intro, that will be episode 140, the episode that came out right before this. So uh yeah, go show some love there as well. But uh, without further ado, this is us talking about attack on Titan for an hour and a half. Hope you enjoy the episode. Show some love, all that fun stuff, and we'll see you in the next one. Peace. Welcome back, everybody, to the Words from the Nerds podcast. Down one, we got another one back up in here. Ben's out today, so we brought in Brandon because we got a nice big episode. What an episode for Brandon to join on, too, because we got some big topics to discuss. Um, I'll break down uh some of these topics so that you could jump to the time code if you want to uh pick and choose what you hear. We'll we'll talk about some attack on Titan because Charlie over the the week has finished and we are ready to talk about it. I don't have a lot of his thoughts other than some opinions on edits that I've just flooded his his um TikTok with. That was the best.

SPEAKER_03 2:37

That was the best. I just have to say without without having any of my thoughts, just I got on TikTok and I saw 14 posts from I was like, let's fucking go.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

Holy shit. Yeah, it was it was awesome. Uh so we'll we'll talk about some attack on Titan. We'll touch on some box office because we got Brandon here who's in our box office draft. And if you want to watch that video, uh that was twice now. Uh one a couple months ago, and then the other inaugural draft for the year, um, a couple episodes back. So episode 133 for our summer draft, and then episode 124 for the fall or winter draft.

SPEAKER_03 3:15

Um I want to say I do, I mean, if we've already praised the whoever runs the fantasy box office stuff a lot already, but I don't know if it's just because they don't have that many mentions in their Twitter or whatever or whatnot, but like the fact that like I'm just scrolling through Twitter and I see Brandon reply to them about the the fall two thing. I'm like, did anybody have it? Is their headbake? And then they just answered it, they answered him, and and honestly, and nope, nobody, but a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

It is nice how sociable they are.

SPEAKER_02 3:48

Like, I do think that yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

Y'all were having like a conversation about uh Michael not not being drafted as much. And uh, I believe Michael was a project, yeah. And you were like, that was our first like one 1.1 for the uh winter season, and they were just like, Yeah, like here are the stats. It's like it's so cool, dude. It's it's awesome. Uh and I made sure we had a uh episode kind of centered around them. I think it was when we were talking about doomsday versus Spider-Man, and we were like fighting, me and Ben were um, and they I tagged them in it because I was like, Oh, cool. They can that way they can see that we're talking about them in their website. And I I figured he would, but he reposted it, so that was uh that was pretty cool as well. Yeah. Um yeah, we got some attack on Titan, followed up by some box office talk, which will be really fun. Mandalorian and Grogu has come out. All three of us have watched it. We will all talk about that, and then we will end it off with the boys. That way, if we're pushing the two-hour mark, uh where Brandon has to be on dad duty, he could probably peace out of here because it wasn't the biggest fan of the boys at all this season, which is understandable, just cause you know the show's kind of run its course, and and we've talked about that. So um, but we will try to keep this one nice, short, and sweet because we have four big topics. Starting us off is Attack on Titan, though. So I want to format this uh uh a little bit differently. I want you to take me through we'll we'll do again what we did last week. Take me through the end of season three. So we uh we know that, and spoilers for anyone that's gonna watch Attack on Titan, in case Ben's watching this, obviously, spoilers. Uh we have Armin uh that eats Bairdhold, right? And and inherits the the Colossal Titan and uh burdens the weight of Bairdhold's memories and everything in that. So we start there to the end of season three, which is the cellar, everything with Grisha, and then Aaron's famous pointing across the sea, saying, My enemies are over there. Real quick side note I had an opportunity to recreate that picture at my honeymoon, but I hadn't got to the end of season three at that point. And then I just recently had another opportunity because I went to Texas and I was at the beach and I didn't recreate it again. And I'm so mad because I always forget to.

SPEAKER_02 6:08

So uh that's on I I did it, and then I was like, I'm not gonna post it. I was like, this is too it wasn't cool back then. I did it and I was like, I can't post this.

SPEAKER_00 6:16

Now, dude, they'll they'll have like edits where it's like Aaron pointing across the sea, it and it's like Red Swan, which is uh the I think season two theme, one of the themes for season two, and it just like plays a super fast collage of a ton of Attack on Titan fans all recreating the same picture. And I'm like, that's just the coolest thing ever, dude. Everyone just all pointing for the same reason. Um, so yes, we have the end of season three. Walk me through that. Your thoughts on that, what you were thinking in the moment, in regards to how does this look for the rest of the show? Not your thoughts on the rest of the show, you know, knowing it now, but in that moment.

SPEAKER_03 6:54

Uh, well, I mean, funnily enough, what I what I first called to mind was uh my predictions from last episode. I would I I personally I don't think I was too far off the cuff. I don't remember exactly what I said, but I think I said that there was like gonna be a a bit of a switch of a flip or flip of a switch where like humans are the bad guys and titans are the good guys. Uh almost like in a way, I guess, like if you look at the the Marlians and and uh the the the Eldians it depending on what you want because like Marlians can't turn into Titans, they're technically just humans, yada yada. But I I might be reaching at that point. But anyway, I don't even know if any of the no no that it was, it was, it was. But uh getting to watch Grisha's backstory was at first like I was uh I was like, damn, we're really just like diving deep into this right now. Like this, is this the time for this? Or like is this what we what I've been waiting for? I don't know. I was I was there's so many questions I was asking, and then his sister dies, and I'm like, oh my gosh, what the dude? And in that way, too? That is crazy, man. Um but then like as it continues on and and and I'm seeing like I it leaves me with so many more questions too. I'm like, dude, why would Zeke do that and then like like turn him in, turn it hit in his parents, and then go on to uh seemingly work to take down uh Ldia, but then also I guess I this is a little bit of a foresight with uh season four, but then seemingly like switch sides at first, but anyway, uh there's so many questions that I had after afterwards with that. And uh I more than anything though, I thought it and this is also reaching into season four stuff, um just it's so sad, bro. Like looking at the Eldian people in the internment zone and just like their utter belief of of of of the fact that all of the uh the devils on parody and they they idolize their oppressors and in the the Marlins. Like that is just it was just sadness came over me. But just I I I keep getting ahead of myself, I guess, just from season three to answer your question. I mean obviously it like opened the floodgates a little bit, um so to speak, just with uh Grisha having this whole life before, and it adds so much context to where his head was at and what he was doing, looking back on season one stuff. Um and I don't believe that's the moment we find out about what really happened with the Rice family. I think that's when That's when they go back and memory when Aaron sees it though, is that that's when he kisses Historia's hand, right?

SPEAKER_00 9:55

Which is still season three, but uh what do you are you asking what he sees in that moment? Or when he Well, I guess does it does it talk about the Rice family?

SPEAKER_03 10:07

No, I don't maybe it doesn't. In the when when we're finding out the seller stuff, maybe that's this is the bad part of having watched it all like so quickly because like top of mind is all season four stuff if I if I'm honest.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

Yeah, yeah, it's fine.

SPEAKER_03 10:19

I mean, with the Grisha stuff, like it made me oh dude, especially season four stuff made me feel so bad for for Grisha. Um, but looking at everything that happened with uh his parents and and how they they were so believed believed in the the cause of uh for LDM and Marley, and just looking at how Zeke betrays him, and then finding out all that info about uh the Titans from they just get launched off the wall and and and then sent on parody like that was crazy to me. And then the attack the attack titan guy comes out of nowhere, and then that moment when he's like and and save Mikasa and Aaron. I was like, What the fuck? What are we talking about right now?

SPEAKER_00 11:04

What's happening? Um that that's like one of my favorite moments. I think that's like one of the biggest reactions I had is whenever he's just talking to him, the credits are rolling, and they're playing this like gorgeous song, and he says, Save Mikasa and Armin. And Grisha's like, what? And he's like, like, who is that? He's like, I don't know. I'm just like that. I don't I don't know who that is. Yeah, gosh, it's so good. Because in that moment, that is Aaron sending those memories back to Aaron Kruger in that moment to say that to Grisha, and that is just one of the like coolest, because at that point, obviously, we don't get the on-your-feet dad stuff. Uh, so we don't we don't know that the attack titan can see into the future in the past. It is just save Mikasa and Armin. Uh, and then uh people always make jokes. I think it's funny that people are like, I want to see Grisha's reaction when Aaron's like, Dad, I made these friends. Me, like, this is Mikasa, this is Armin. Chris is like, Oh shit, this is it. But yes, that moment is so awesome, yes.

SPEAKER_03 12:07

Yeah, I and then like you combine that with like the moment of realization, which like this is a smaller one, but it also is kind of big depending on who you but like uh Dinah finding out Dinah is the one that ate Aaron's mom because like the titan she turns into. Like, I it's that Titan is seared into my mind. Like as soon as I saw her, I was like, holy shit. Uh also that me, like she was wandering for a long time, then like you gotta think. Like, she was wandering for years, and nobody took her down, which like I get it, like the whole the scouts had at that point in time had gone out and and they would get massacred almost any time they went out. So um it makes sense, but it's just I don't know. Season three is why it's cool because like 10 episodes or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 12:53

Oh, it's absolutely insane. That's why I say the return to Shiganshina arc, and then followed with that like epilogue of of all of that. Um, and it's cool that Dyne is also the Titan that he first makes that royal that he he touches royalty and is able to use the power of the founding titan in that moment. It's the titan that kills his mom, and it's also the titan that allows him to awaken the founding titan powers in that moment in season two. Um okay, so season three, uh everything with the seller. Like, what was your reaction to that moment whenever you just find a photograph? And they're like, What is this? Like, what is this? Because then I'm like, it's just a picture, but they're like, What is this? Like witchcraft. Like, how did this what is a picture? Yeah, way too.

SPEAKER_03 13:39

What did Honji say? Like, she said, This is this is way too detailed to be uh a drawing of some kind. Uh yeah, the picture itself. I I don't know if I uh last week I I said that I got I had the spoiler of of Zeke's um Aaron's brother.

SPEAKER_00 13:56

How did you react to like Zeke being the beast titan? Like that, because I forget that moment. I forget when they I feel like it's super low key when they reveal that Zeke is the beast titan or that that's Zeke's name. Um I I I know it's not like a huge deal.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

Because we know it like way before, right? It's like early we know that Zeke is the Beast Titan.

SPEAKER_00 14:16

Pete in Commander Zeke, but it's it's like a blink and you miss it moment. In season three, she calls him and then in yeah, and then in the city.

SPEAKER_03 14:26

Oh, yeah, when she's when she's the cart titan. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:30

And then in flashback. I don't remember the moment when we find out Zeke's name, other than the flashback. But like in that moment, if you don't know that Zeke is the Beast Titan, you wouldn't connect that, I feel like. Unless, like, I mean, they just look similar. If I'm honest, the uh a prediction that I had, because uh with with Erwin's flashbacks out and we kept seeing his dad, I was like, Erwin's dad is is is the beast titan? Because Erwin's dad looked a lot like Zeke. I was like, what the fuck? Is Erwin Erwin's dad? Is he alive? He's he's he's the beast titan, but I was that was really good.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

I would love a what if if Erwin got the colossal Titan instead of him and how they're oh my god, like he's just so he's too good of a character to kill off in season three with everything that happened. But um yes, because last week you were like, Oh yeah, I find out that Zeke and Aaron are brothers, and I was like, Do you know who Zeke is yet? And you were like, No, they hadn't shown Zeke, and so I was like, Oh shit, okay. Then he know he doesn't know that because you've you've seen everything with the beast titan all of season three, and so I was like, Oh shit, he doesn't know that Zeke is the is the Beast Titan at that point, and then doesn't Zeke say something to Aaron in that moment because he he comes in and he picks up, I think he picks up Peak or he picks somebody off.

SPEAKER_03 15:52

Okay, yeah, well this is sorry, he was he leaves that thing to go pick up Rhina. He he tells he talks to Aaron, then he goes to pick up Rhina. He initially says something about yeah, he says I'll come back and save you. Yeah, you don't look anything like him. You don't you don't look as much like him as I thought you would, or something like that. Uh and he said, I'll come back and save you from this one day, Aaron. Uh and I said I think I said last episode that like that seemed very sincere and that like built that kind of was part of what led to my prediction at the time, whatever it was. And the Titans are good, and yeah. I I might have made the assumption that once I saw the photograph, I immediately knew that like okay, that's Grishha's other, that's Grish's other kid. Um, I was like, because there's no other, I don't see any other reason that wouldn't be. And I was like, so then since I saw that spoiler, I was like, okay, that must be Zeke, but I don't think I knew that Zeke was the Beast Titan yet. I I might have just put that together myself.

SPEAKER_00 16:51

I don't know. It's it's one of those that's why I told you it's not that big of a spoiler because it's like yeah, it's it's never and me going into it, recording my reactions, knowing, and I just got spoiled off a random TikTok that I saw a year before I started watching the show. It was somebody saying that it was like a time travel TikTok, like a skit. And he was like, Oh, what are you doing? Like, what day, what, like, what's the time period? He's like, Oh, it's COVID, and he's like, Oh, by the way, Zeke and Aaron are brothers, and he leaves, and the dude's like, What the fuck? Like freaking out, and so I was like, Oh, great, this is an attack on Titan spoiler, and that for some reason, that's the one that stuck in my head for forever. And so when I started watching the show, I was like, I'm gonna have to fake my reaction to this because I already know. And then the moment never came up, and I was just like, Okay, yeah, there's never like they don't treat it, yeah. Yeah, the show doesn't even treat it like it's a big thing.

SPEAKER_01 17:42

That's a crazy TikTok.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

That's what a wild yeah. Well, they well, and that's what Charlie said last week of like uh the search on one of my videos, like the search for the topic was what was it like Zeke and Aaron?

SPEAKER_03 17:56

It was Aaron, Aaron finds out Zeke is his brother, like it, like it was people trying to like if you click on it, you're looking for a reaction uh to somebody watching Aaron, or maybe looking for Aaron's reaction. I don't know, something like that.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

It like to me, this is like one of the biggest, not like because it's a huge plot twist, I feel like, given the context of the show, but then in the moment, it's it's like the biggest plot twist that's not treated like a plot twist in history. What's up? It's so weird. Okay, so start of season four because you get to everything with the C, you get everything with the seller, and Aaron, visibly in that last episode, is not the same, and then you get a generational lock-in, but season four starts off with Falco and Gabby, and all like something completely different, and I know that halfway fucking God, yo, okay. I'll say Gobby Gobby is exactly like Aaron, bro.

SPEAKER_03 18:54

She's she's Aaron. No, they went way too hard on trying to make her Aaron, but it's not even the same thing, bro. It's not even the same thing, like oh my gosh. It's just I guess like to a to a certain degree, like she saw uh this is this is from the sasha standpoint for me. Like, she saw Sasha gun people down that she talked to sometimes the the two officers, her oppressors, mind you, her two oppressors, and watch uh Sasha gun those people down, and so she gets up on the fucking Zeppelin and shoots Sasha in the fucking chest. Like, I uh uh and then after that, bro, she's just I'm gonna kill all these island devils. I'm like, dude, are you like? I mean, I when she finally came out of the way.

SPEAKER_02 19:41

That's what Aaron was.

SPEAKER_03 19:44

I know, I get it, I get it. No, no, no, no, no. The titans are much like at least the titans are just mindless drones that just eat for for for eating sake. But like these people are doing like the the the Eldians from Parody are obviously our characters, and sure, maybe there's an element of me just defending them wholeheartedly, but they're doing these things for a reason. Like you guys were literally just on stage announcing the you were you're declaring war on us, and you're just mad that we decided to not sit sit back and take that like good little bitches. Like, come on, bro. Like, uh, are you kidding me? That is that is ridiculous, dude.

SPEAKER_00 20:28

Marley, Marley has a right to defend itself, LD. Okay. So all right, so we we we have we have the uh the Marley versus Eldia beginning arc of of season four. We start off with all of that, and then we get possibly the the best moment in the entire show. Where it says, I officially announce war, uh declare war on Eldia, and Aaron fucking bobs out, and it's go time, it's showtime. In that arc though, because I know there's a lot of stuff that happens with Rhina before the moment of Aaron saying, Me and you are just me and you are alike, Rhinah. We're exactly the same. There's a lot of really cool stuff in there, but we start off with with Marley and um we see Zeke and Rhina and all of them like like they're dropping their forces on another nation to uh impose uh strength uh to take over. What what was your reaction to that first those first 10 episodes? Because I told you the return to Shiganshina arc is amazing, but I think that arc is possibly tied with it for the best arcs in the show because just because of how we're thrown into Marley, we get introduced to Aaron playing with this with this uh it wasn't Falco that he was like manipulating. Okay, yeah, so it's Falc, he's manipulating Falco, gets into the apartment building, is murdering a lot of people. He is completely different. So what what was all of that like for you in that moment?

SPEAKER_03 22:00

Well, see, you know, I I said at the beginning of season three, I didn't care for the uh uh overthrow plot or whatever it was, uh to to overthrow the the regime in in in parody. Uh and with this time around, starting with the war, uh with just like at first I was like, oh, like we're just jumping into Marley versus Parody. I was like, oh my gosh, like I need to lock in. But then like I came to realize slowly, like, oh, this is just them versus another country. Still cool. There was still like watching Rhina and a bunch of Titans fall out of the sky, I thought that was really cool. Uh, and all that stuff was enjoyable. And and watching Zeke toss boulders at their incoming fleet, like cool stuff, yeah. Uh, but honestly, I like that watching them like talk about uh fighting other countries and stuff, I just wasn't very interested in it. But then when we got down to it with I think it was the very next conversation where they were sitting with all the Marley war uh chiefs or something like that, all the um the government of of Marley or something, and where they're talking about how they need to go, if they really want to uh to do anything meaningful, they need to get the the founding Titan over from uh from Paradise. And then that's like that's when uh like it's just lock-in time. And truthfully, uh I was still like like in and out of like caring about anything that was happening, apart from like Rhina, even though I at this point I still didn't like Rhina. But so when they I I think there was a shot of him like about to blow his brains out with a with a shotgun or something like that. And uh, I was like, Yeah, Rhino, go ahead, bro. I'll do it. I don't care. No, come on, dude.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Rhina's the go dude. Rhina's one of my favorite characters. His his his development is so good, he's awesome, he's a top five character.

SPEAKER_03 23:56

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

That is a crazy statement.

SPEAKER_03 23:59

No, at this point, at this point, I just I still just didn't like him, bro. Yeah, like there's at that point, he he hadn't done like he had only done bad things, like he had I don't know, like things against like who I deem to be like the the better characters.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

Well, that's something I I regret not asking last week because one of the main questions I had, I would bug my coworker. Uh he was kind of my eyes and ears spectating, like I'm doing to you. Uh, I would I asked my coworker, I was like, I just cannot wrap my head around why Rynah, Bertolt, and Annie did the things that they did. Why are they slaughtering scouts and their best friends? Why did they attack uh parody? Why did they do all of these things? Like, I can't wrap my head around what like what their mission is, and that was possibly my biggest question uh as I was watching season one and two, and then as you get towards the uh return to Sugar China R. I'm like, cool, I know that they're Titans. I'm I'm interested in how they are Titans and how they got into the walls, but my like number one question was why are they doing the things that they do? What could they possibly use to justify what they're doing right now? Um, and I I really wish I would have asked this last week, but I was wondering if if you were having similar thoughts, especially because they they played undercover the entire time to the point where Raina literally has like multiple personality disorder or whatever, because he plays the role of a scout and then plays the role of a warrior sent you know to to parody from Marley. Yeah. So I wondered what you were thinking in those moments.

SPEAKER_03 25:47

At the time, I I think I just assumed, especially given the end of season two. Um I assumed it was just they they wanted Aaron for because I don't think at that point we knew. Actually, no, I think that is a scene that you learn in season two where you eating eating another Titan gives you their power. Uh, I think we learned that in season two. So I I guess I assumed, uh, but I didn't know anything about the the the royal blood or anything like that. I think I just assumed that they wanted Aaron uh to but I don't think I I I thought they were gonna eat him. I think they just I thought that they were all gonna like combine their powers to do something. I don't know what I thought that thing was gonna be. But uh that's what my assumption was. But I guess I that doesn't answer the why they need to kill all these scouts, I guess just like if they get in their way, kind of thing. Um but what that still would beg the question, what is so important that they need to do with all of their powers combined or something that would warrant you killing all of your your your friends and everything like that.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

Yeah, yeah. Uh and back oh after this, back to season four, because I got us off topic, but yeah, continue.

SPEAKER_03 27:05

No, no, I mean that's all I I I I was gonna say transitioning into season four. I think that that is answered a bit a bit better. I I mean not a bit better. No, I under I completely understand why they're doing it now. It's just uh I still had my reservations about those, probably.

SPEAKER_00 27:27

That's fine because like one of my biggest things was why like I could never forgive Rhina and Bear Tolt for doing the things that they did. They they ruined a lot of people's lives when they broke down the walls in in season one. Um, that is like a huge thing, but I do think there are a lot of good moments, and I think there's even a moment in season four where Rina's like, I'm I think he's talking to Annie actually, which oh man, what a what a freaking moment. I think he's talking to Annie, if this is true, and he says, Yeah, I I should have just let us like I should have just let us die when when Marcel got eaten by Ymir. He's like, I should have just turned around and went back home. I should not have pushed forward to to finish our mission, and I regret that so much because it it it brought us to where we're at now. And I I think Raina is easily a top five character, real quick, because I'm gonna forget to mention this. That moment where John fucking saves him and says, We're scouts, this is what we do, and Rhina's face drops. I was literally in the car, like driving home watching that. I was crying, dude. I was like, this is like one of the best moments I've ever. It's so freaking good. But I I understand why why you would hate Rhina in the the first arc of sure, sure.

SPEAKER_03 28:47

But it like by the end of it, I I will say, I don't know if I'd say top uh I could I could understand I mean I never mind, I could understand top five character. I don't know if he's in my top five, okay. But maybe he might be like right on the cusp, though, truthfully. Interesting. Uh but as for like the rest of it, uh that one like the declaration of war with uh with the Tiber family and uh also the uh Warhammer type. Yeah. Um that stuff was super, I mean, oh my gosh, come on, dude. And like the they're they're finally using like guns with the ODM gear and everything, just like similar, similar to Kenny's guys. Uh and that stuff was all super cool. I mean, it just I I mentioned it already, but just watching like Sasha be such a marchman, like I mean, she we know she had training with a bow and everything like that, but just watching her just like light people up is crazy, and then getting to see Levi in action.

SPEAKER_00 29:47

I mean, you know, I love Latina in action, dude. I I know you love that moment where um oh I forget his name. I forget his name. He's the jaw titan, and he's like, What? Don't they like what uh it's nothing but humans? What is do they not know that I'm a titan or something? It's like no, those are the scouts, bro. Those are the freaking scouts. That is such a good moment. He's like, Don't you think I'm a titan?

SPEAKER_03 30:11

He says it some am I oh, this is it. Am I really about to to die to to a bunch of human, a bunch of yeah, the island devils or something like that? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

But dude, I mean one of my favorite favorite moments in this arc, too, just because I Mika says my favorite character in this show. Um, when Aaron is sitting there and they have the kill shot on him, and the Warhammer Titan says any last words, and he's like, Mika sah it's now or never, and then she just comes in and makes her grand entry because we haven't seen them in forever, and obviously there's a time jump because Aaron has like super long hair. Uh, but yes, that moment right there where he says Mikasa, it's an hour or never, and she just pops in. Bro, I don't know if you've watched the reactions. I will send you that one. I that is probably the loudest that I screamed watching this entire show. Like that moment right there means something to me.

SPEAKER_04 31:00

I don't think I watched a reaction of that one. I don't think I did.

SPEAKER_00 31:02

I'll I'll I'll pull it up and send it to you. But because that moment right there, we see that's kind of the the start of how we see the um the other scouts uh viewing Aaron and how they view Aaron and who Aaron has become. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:18

I um speaking of like actual moments, I in that arc, just the moment of uh when we see Aaron for the first time, like when we see him talking to Falco, and like they they don't they don't show that it that it's Aaron. Uh or I mean I guess they kind of do, but um you could just kind of tell from his voice, and that's it. Maybe I wonder if actually in the sub version that that like that was harder to tell. Um actually, Brandon, did you did you watch the the sub or the dub version?

SPEAKER_01 31:49

So I watched the dubbed.

SPEAKER_03 31:50

You watched the dubbed, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:51

But I mean I read it first, I read it weekly or monthly when it was coming out, and then watched it, yeah. Yeah, I've been around for a while. Yeah, I've been around for a while on this. I actually, you guys talking, I'm like, oh yeah. It's been probably four or five years for some of this for me.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

Dang, bro. I I just I know Brandon will have a um because obviously we talked about it a lot and my camera's messing up, but whatever, it'll fix itself soon. Um obviously Brandon's the one that that put me onto One Piece and uh helped me start again, trap me like your friends trapped you, Charlie, for Attack on Titan. And I was able to start the wonderful journey of One Piece. And uh, so when it was time to watch another anime, I picked Attack on Titan because I had tried to watch it a while back. Um now he has a lot of thoughts. I won't spoil what those thoughts are when it comes to the end and the the show as a whole and and the manga. So um I think there will be a lot of good things there, but I knew that if we're going by the show episode by episode or like arc by arc, a lot of it would be because I I've had to watch and refresh. Like I watched the memories of the future episode, the on your feet dad. I watched that yesterday just to refresh myself. Honestly, I think that is one of the greatest episodes of TV of all time. Like I personally have that that I've watched. Oh, so good. Um, but I I've had to refresh myself just because the ending is is fresh to me, but the rest isn't. So but yes, Aaron's introduction.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

Uh yeah, what just him sitting that revelation of him sitting on the bench with Falco, and like uh that that was a moment for me. I was like, because I think at that point it had been like three episodes maybe, and we just hadn't seen him or anybody from parody. And I was turning, I was turned up at that point. I was like, dude, what happened to his leg? And I was like, oh dude, there's gotta he's gotta just be able at this point to like hold off his healing or something like that. And of course that was the case. Um but as for like the rest of the arc, Sasha's death really really surprisingly hit me because I didn't care about Sasha that much at any other point. Like I thought like she's funny comedic relief, but um I don't I wouldn't I I didn't like I got on the verge of tearing up, I guess. When I when I say that it really hit me. I got on the verge of tearing up. I was like, damn, like that that fucking sucks. I'm it was more like Connie's reaction and like Aaron's reaction, uh, everybody's reaction to it was was probably Aaron laughing. Aaron laughed, but then you we got to see, I don't think Connie got to see this. We got to see Aaron's like actual like bit of of of remorse and and and and sadness.

SPEAKER_00 34:28

Yeah, yeah. Well, at that moment, he just he knows. I and I think that laugh obviously is him just being like, okay, nothing like everything is gonna go exactly how I I see it.

SPEAKER_03 34:40

Like this is the this is the the start of it. This is like the true start of it.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

Yeah. Um, okay. Uh whatever, I don't mean to cut you off, but we have uh jump way ahead, so that's fine.

SPEAKER_03 34:53

I was just okay.

SPEAKER_00 34:54

You keep us on track. I was gonna jump way ahead. No, you're fine. I thought you were gonna touch on that uh conversation between Levi and Aaron. And I think I don't know if I bought if I sent you that video, but where he says, I see that look. I've seen that look on yeah gosh, what a line. And he's like, I honestly never thought I'd see it. Yeah, so good. But uh, okay, so then the middle arc from what I remember is um we get the the Zeke spinal fluid stuff, we get um which is I think is aft is a little bit after the on your on your feet dad. Um the middle of season four is no, it's before yeah, on your feet dad is right. On your feet is when they is it when they make contact? Yeah, is when they make contact. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool. So we have the Zeke Spinal Fluid, we have a lot of the like it actually feels like a war. Um, Mikasa and Armin go up to the um governor mayor's mansion, and that's where uh we finally see the Jaegeris. Proud Jaeger is by the way. I will uh uh I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. We have the we have the Jaegeris. Uh we have Flock, which obviously hold on, no, no, pause.

SPEAKER_03 36:03

I was watching your reactions, bro. Don't say I'm kidding. You're a fucking blazer, you're a fitting blazer, bro. Flock is one of my favorite characters.

SPEAKER_00 36:13

Flock's one of my favorite characters. Fuck Flock.

SPEAKER_03 36:16

Fuck that redheaded bitch. Fuck that motherfucker.

SPEAKER_00 36:19

He's awesome, bro. Flock's my goat. Uh, but I I am after finishing the show, I am not proud Jaegerist. Um, but we have we have the Jaegerist arc, we have Flock, um, everything there with um one of my personal favorite moments of the show, again, which is why I think season four is better than season, it's so good. The I hate I've always hated you, Mikasa. All of that. Okay, so we have everything there with um Gabi finding out that Sasha um is related to the family that's been taking taking them in and taking care of them. Um, what was all that like for you? Um and we can go as fast as you want because I know we we gotta get to the on your feet, dad. And I I'm sure I've been dying since literally last week to pick your brain on that.

SPEAKER_03 37:04

Um looking looking back on it, I I feel like I like it less than I did while I was watching it. Um I like the spinal tap in the wine thing, that is a crazy twist, yes.

SPEAKER_04 37:21

But like do they not have anything else to drink out there, bro?

SPEAKER_03 37:25

Like, like, I mean, not everybody drank it, I know. Levi didn't drink it, Commandant Shottis didn't drink it. Honestly, that might be it. Like, as far as like major characters in the in in any uh regiment, like that might be it of the of the people that like didn't drink it. Uh that being said, it's still a very sad moment when uh when you're watching it all happen. And I think it's treated treated as such. Ah man, that moment when when like they're pleading with Zeke to not, and it also hits because of Flock as well. Uh that moment where they're pleading with him not to not to scream. And oh dude, Flock's older brother. I completely forgot about that. Flock just flock flock's older brother, not sorry, not Flock, Falco. Falco's older older brother is just holding on to him. Uh, he's like, I can't remember exactly what he says, but he just dies. He dies during his tran his brother's transformation. Golly, that's oh, that shit hits. It's giving me chills right now. That's that's good stuff. Um but anyway, the the the wine stuff, I'm like, eh, like, I mean, that's it, it it's interesting for sure, but also I I don't know if that's like that great. I I get it for Zeke's perspective, it was sort of like a a a backup plan if they needed it, uh, to to ward off any any other Marley people, but it's also just so cold-blooded, and I uh like Aaron played a part in that too. And also, because I think at this point where we had seen their at least the first part, the first half of their flashback conversation with the euthanization plan. Yes, why didn't they just touch right then and do it? Am I lost?

SPEAKER_00 39:06

I I forget, I I I don't know. Honestly, you would know more than me, but I know that uh Zeke even there's even a moment where Zeke's like, not yet, like we can't we can't do this now.

SPEAKER_03 39:16

Yeah, he says, I'd rather not touch you right now to do it. But I'm like, unless I'm forgetting something, why? Like, why can't we do that?

SPEAKER_00 39:23

I feel like because if he were to touch him in that moment, it would set off everything that we see happen when they touch towards the end, which is Zeke wants to go through back through time and uh unbrainwash what he thinks is that he's doing when he goes back, unbrainwash all of Grisha and and of what Grisha did to Aaron. So I feel like that might be a reason. Now uh I'm sure there's a better explanation, but I mean, obviously, he would want to delay touching Aaron at that moment, and setting that off because I feel like in his head, the perfect the perfect route is um swaying Aaron on the euthanization plan, touching Aaron, and then taking him through everything with Grisha to make sure that he's completely on his side, and then starting whatever Zeke wants to start in that moment. Obviously, later down the line that doesn't go his way, but that's the best I got for you right now.

SPEAKER_03 40:23

It's not much and I uh to be honest, I think it is probably explained. I'm just forgetting, I'm just spacing what the explanation for it is. Um, because like uh same as you, I'm I'm the end of the show is is what's fresh in my mind. Uh and even then, I I just yesterday went back and rewatched uh Armin and Aaron's conversation that Aaron arose in his mind. Yeah, uh because I I I was I was a little hazy on that because uh honestly uh and we'll get to that, but there's some weird stuff for me in that too.

SPEAKER_00 40:55

Yeah, oh yeah, trust me, buddy.

SPEAKER_03 41:00

But as far as this arc, um I did I really loved the stuff with Gobi and that family. Uh just because like that's that's part of her arc for for learning that the island devils aren't really island devils as they've been taught. Um I just I I do think that like they try so hard to or at least Gobby, I guess, tries really hard to make it it's like she's convincing herself still that these are island devils, even though at every turn almost, like there's she's not given a reason to she's not shown uh anything to back up that ideology. Like uh sure there are people that uh uh try to hurt her, but it's in response to things that she's already done, i.e. the daughter or slash sister of Sasha, that Sasha saved at one point, and it's so it's like like that kind of stuff. I don't I don't know how you can look at that and think that they're island devils because of and that's after she heard her sad story too about watching her mom be eaten by titans, and like I don't know, uh but I I did like the the the Gabi arc for for for that reason. Um and the foul this is also where I became I came I became more of a uh of an enjoyer of Falco, uh which is probably why him turning into a Titan hit so much for me as well. Um and that Aaron, bro, that Aaron and uh Mika San Armin conversation you were talking about, that broke me, bro. That broke me. And I go, I go and watch Aiden's reaction, bro. Dude, the people in the comments too, they're they're with me, and they're like, Why is bro laughing right now? You're you're like smiling, you're like, oh my god, like bro, how are you laughing? Why are you smiling right now, bro? This shit is hitting me. Oh my god, he's beating the shit out of his best friend.

SPEAKER_00 42:55

This shit is peak, bro. I'm laughing. This is peak, bro. I love it.

SPEAKER_03 43:00

Um that was just like, oh my gosh, man. And I I do love, I should go back and rewatch this part. I I believe this is a conversation that him and Zeke have later on in the third arc, where Zeke is essentially telling Aaron that, like, no, there's not, she doesn't have some like mental predisposition to to take to protect you or anything like that. That's absurd. Like, what are you talking about? Uh, because if that were the case and they actually made that a thing, that would that would that would suck. I think I don't think that that would be uh a good arc for Mika's Mika's sake. And then watching Armin just freak out on him, and then just the visceral, just him beating the shit out of Armin, man. Oh my gosh, dude.

SPEAKER_00 43:44

That's like such a cold line. He's like, Armin, why do you think it is we've never fought? He's like, 'cause I would kick your ass every single time. Like, oh my god, this man's a villain. Because they follow that up with him meeting with Falc uh Flock and putting on the horrible.

SPEAKER_03 44:02

Yeah. Um the uh also Levi versus Zeke part round two, I think. Maybe round three. I think it's technically round three, but round two was a fake thing with in the Marl in Marley. But anyway, uh round two, and just like you thought I was you thought I'd have a problem killing my friends. Like, I mean it that did suck that he had to do that, but uh just fucking destroying him again, just cutting him down, and of course, fucking Zeke, like what did he say, uh, Kruger? Are you still watching? And he like he blows, he blows up the fucking what are those things called? I forget thunder, get thunder or something? Thunder spears, thunderspears, thank you. Oh man, I felt I I th I honestly thought Levi was dead for a second. Uh, but then I saw I think it was that night that I watched, I saw uh a clip of like a sp a split second of an edit with Levi covered in bandages, and I was like, Oh, I've never seen Levi like that before. So he must be alive.

SPEAKER_00 45:05

Surely he survives, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:08

Uh dude, and then uh also I think it's this arc. Well, no, I already liked Honji before, but this arc really like Hanji comes to the the forefront because like she's doing a lot of things as commander now, and she's she's having to take these these big steps, and she's dealing with something that's uh never had to been dealt with before, like with the Jaegerists coming up and uh Commander Pixis is is telling everybody to just let them be uh and let them do their thing. Like she's just and oh dude, that moment where she has to start shooting them down, killing them, and like uh she's crying as she's doing it. Baller stuff, great stuff, man. Um I'm trying to think if there's anything else in this arc that's me.

SPEAKER_00 45:52

I think that might be it for the arc. I know those were the big, the big hitter moments because uh I had a night where I binge watched like 15 episodes because I was like, I knew that memories of the future was the like on your feet dad moment. And on your feet, dad had been told to me multiple times where somebody's just like like my my buddy I used to work with, he was like, just remember these, just remember these words, on your feet, dad. And I was like, what? Like what he just kept like, and I would see edits that I would have to scroll away from real quick. So um I had eventually known that that was the episode that everything happened. So I was like, All right, I'm on a mission, I'm gonna binge watch until I get to this episode because I need to find out what happens and uh what goes on with this moment.

SPEAKER_03 46:37

Um I guess this is the last thing, and I this technically might be part of like the rumbling arc. Uh but like the stuff with Connie hated it. Just because uh with his mom taking Falco to his mom. Hated it. Like I it felt like character assassination of Connie at that at that at that point, essentially. Uh which they they didn't he didn't follow through with it, but it just like like I had never either never seen this side of Connie or just like it was like a whole different ball game. And I like the thing, the thing that snaps him out of it, and like dude, Armin's the goat, bro. Like he's he's just about to fall into his mom's mouth, and then he fucking saves him from it. Like that that was good stuff, but Armin is him, bro.

SPEAKER_00 47:27

Um yes, and it's funny re like listening to your comments of like bro, Connie doesn't strike me as somebody that's gonna stay till the ends up staying till the end. Um okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:39

So we get speaking of Connie War. No way you let that be your last reaction. Like, I it was it was a Connie thing. I was looking through your page because I was like, How far did he get before he stopped watching? And then your last video was a reaction to something Connie did, and I was like, really? He let your last thing be a Connie thing.

SPEAKER_00 47:57

Oh, yeah, sorry. I was uh yeah, I don't even know. He's gonna have a dear lord. Yeah, it's just con it. Um so yes, uh big war breaks out, everything. Uh Gabby or Gabby snipes Aaron, decapitates him, and Aaron's Aaron's head. That was that was also an awesome moment. That was also an awesome moment. Um, but yeah, everything with the war, one of my favorite moments is uh Aaron telling Peak, point to your enemy, and Peak turns around and points to him, and then at that moment the jaw titan comes and they have an all-out war. But the moment is Aaron, Aaron's head falling in Zeke's hands, and they go to the paths. Um, I believe that episode, everything happens in that episode, and it ends with Zeke basically being like, Come on, Aaron, take a walk with me. And then the next episode we get that revelation. So take me through all of that.

SPEAKER_03 48:58

That I mean, that episode, I was uh making sure that I was as locked in as possible because I I didn't want any part of it to be confusing to me. Uh and then when we get to the eventual moment um of and I I'm try I want to jump to the to the rice family stuff, but I I'm trying to think if there's another moment that stuck out to me a lot. Uh I and I I I don't I don't think so. I mean, obviously there's a couple of moments, like I think one where he's down at the Grisha's down in the cellar, and they're obviously down there with him, and then Grisha can like hear or see Zeke for a second. Yeah, see, see him because he says, Well, listen to yourself, Grisha, Grisha. Of course, you're Zeke's not gonna be old and bearded right now.

SPEAKER_00 49:47

Uh, but I don't think there's anything to really to hang on to. In that moment, too, because it happens in the same episode. In that moment, too, I was watching a lot of videos leading up to it, uh, just to refresh me, but also to see other people's thoughts on like the time paradox and whatnot, uh, the time loop. Um, but in that moment, I think it's really cool. Zeke is leading Aaron through everything, and Aaron obviously doesn't want to be there. Aaron tells Zeke, okay, cool, you've undone his brainwashing. Can we go now? And Zeke's like, we have all the time in the world. Like, don't be in a rush. And then in that moment, Zeke is really taken off guard because I think what other people's interpretation is, is in that moment, Zeke sent Zeke sent his memories of seeing Grisha and then seeing Zeke in front of Grisha. He sent that memory to Grisha in that moment. So Grisha can't, it's not like Grisha looked up and saw Zeke. Grisha sees Aaron's point of view of him looking at Zeke, and that's why he gets it in that moment. But then Aaron looks at Zeke and he's like, because the whole time Zeke had been saying, All right, next, let's go. Like, let's let's get on our way. And at that moment, Aaron tells Zeke, all right, let's go, Zeke, like next, and opens the door. It's like, oh shit, okay, he's controlling this now. I think that's a really cool moment that eventually leads up to the uh Rice family in the crystal cave.

SPEAKER_03 51:11

Yeah. Um, I'll I guess maybe the cool moment for me was the revelation of like he found the rice family's like cave thing on like day two or something like that. Uh and Zeke was like astonished, like, he what he found it that fast? Like he but the the wall doesn't break for another couple years. Um and just like the the realization, like, no, Grisha just wanted to to have a family, and like that's got a hit for for for Zeke, uh, especially after he feels like his dad just tried to uh indoctrinate him into his his ideology. Um but then also you contr you you contrast that with right after the rice family stuff, but that's getting ahead of myself. Um, but down to the rice family stuff.

SPEAKER_04 52:01

I mean, yeah, yeah, it's uh it's an all right line. Yeah, yeah, get up, dad. You know, it's not it ain't bad, it ain't bad.

SPEAKER_03 52:10

Um but like having Zeke sit there and uh realize like what how like this is an event that's already happened, like you can't how how can it be changed? How can it be different? And we it it wasn't changed, we just see now the actual full revelation of it all from like Grisha's point of view, because Grisha didn't want to do what he did, but but Aaron Aaron psyched him up for it, and then dude, just to have him go up top and just start screaming, Aaron, are you happy now? That you did you get everything you wanted? And then he starts telling Zeke, like, uh from from this point on, Aaron's gonna get everything that he desires from Mr.

SPEAKER_00 52:52

Something.

SPEAKER_03 52:53

I'm like, holy shit, bro!

SPEAKER_00 52:55

Underrated moment is Zeke hugging Grisha and just being like, Yeah, oh father. Like the first time he references Grisha as his father and not Krude. And he's like, Oh, father. It's like, oh, it's such a brutal moment. But yes, that that that moment of him dropping the knife and Zeke being like, What this is the past, I don't understand. And yeah, Aaron, Aaron pushing him to it. It's it's such a good moment, it's a great plot twist. Didn't know if it really worked for me a whole lot. Um, sure. It it led to a lot of like I didn't truly know how I felt about it, especially as I talk about it now and as I look for videos. I'm I'm like, where when did all of this start? Like, is did Zeke unintentionally cause all of this by taking Aaron into the paths and going through these memories? Because they spent a lot of time in those memories. It wasn't a couple of days, and this is a revelation I've learned recently. Like in the manga, apparently it says that they've spent years going through all of these memories. So did Zeke unintentionally cause all of this, taking Aaron there and allowing Aaron to manipulate pieces of the story, such as um sending memories back to Kruger and uh sending Dinah to his mom to allow Bearto to live so that all the events could play out like they did. When is the moment that Aaron went and messed with all of that? Like, it's it's just such a huge time paradox and such a huge loop that I'm like I don't know how well this works, and especially looking back at the show and looking back at the events that happened. Like, I love that Ymir, but then again, you throw in Ymir and you throw in King Fritz and all of that. But I I do love that Ymir waited for Mikasa because Ymir herself was stuck in a Stockholm syndrome with King Fritz and could not break that that hold that King Fritz had on her. So she waited for somebody that could break that, and that was Mikasa because she broke that on Aaron. The the hold that Aaron had on her finally killing Aaron. I think that is a gorgeous moment. I almost spoiled that last week for you when I said, since I finished the show, events that have happened have led me to change my mind on characters. Events that happened at the end of the show made it apparent that Mikasa is my favorite character uh of this show. Um, and that's part of the reason why. But you start to think about all that, you start to think of the time loop, how Aaron Aaron spotted in seasons one and two, just in the background of the show. Um, and you start to think about how all of that fits together when you throw in Ymir and King Fritz and all of all of that. Um, and it starts to throw you for a loop a little bit, it starts to leave a lot more questions than it does answers, even sometimes when I think about it. And I this is when I wanted to pick Brandon's brain on to because we've had a lot of conversations as well. Sure.

SPEAKER_01 56:07

Yeah, well, so first the season one, I know a lot of people think that they see him. I don't think that's him. Um I've I've told Aiden this the creator. It was funny when last week when you were talking about you felt like they had planned it all out. He has been on the record to say he didn't really plan out how the last part of the was gonna go. He never even thought it would get this big.

SPEAKER_03 56:26

Wait, the manga or the show?

SPEAKER_01 56:28

The manga. The show kind of fixes things, but obviously, like we so when season one aired, it would have been like 203rd, yeah. And so, like, we were still it ended in 2021 in the manga. Um so there was still time where he was still trying to figure it out, which you could kind of tell once the time skip started. But the time stuff really bothers me, and this is obviously a discussion for the rumbling arc and like what happens with Aaron's master plan. But I've the minute that happened, I was like, oh, this is such a cool thing. But then like the whole time you're like, okay, perfect. Aaron's got this big thing. Maybe it's like you know, whatever the rumbling is, maybe it'll be a different thing, or like the 80%. He's making that up. And you I think you're I'm in denial the whole time because like I like Aaron. I tend to, you know, he's the main character stuff.

SPEAKER_02 57:17

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 57:18

I want to, you know, Paul Anakin. I want to believe that, you know, I see the good, I understand where they're coming from, but then like as you get further, you're like, I just can't like this was your choice. This is what you decided with your time travel ability, is this, which we'll talk about at the end, but the manga actually ends differently than the anime.

SPEAKER_04 57:38

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 57:38

Slightly, slightly, but we'll uh because I've never been able to shake that ending, and I told Aiden that the other day.

SPEAKER_00 57:45

Well, yeah, and and yeah, even when it gets to the rumbling things, I mean there's there's moments he tells Armin he's and one of the biggest things that bother bothered me with the finale is like he tells Armin, he's like, Armin, I finally re realized why I did what I did, as in starting the rumbling. And he's like, Why? Like, why did you do it? He's like, Because I'm an idiot, you know, because uh like this, and I don't know that that really I've I'm still trying to figure out what exactly that Armin and Aaron conversation holds. Um, because I do think, and I was telling Brandon this, I do think that is the one time since like season since before he kissed Historia's hand. Because when he kissed Historia's hand, everything went downhill. That is no longer the Aaron that we know and and have known for the first couple seasons. After he kisses Historia's hand, that moment there where he's crying to Armin about I don't want Mikasa to move on, which as much as we say things about Aaron and about the choices and whatnot, that moment did hit because I I love Mikasa, she's she's awesome. Um, but him crying to Armin and saying, I don't want her to move on, like I just want to be with y'all two forever. Um, I think that is the one moment that we see Aaron, the Aaron that we've known since before everything happened, and I think that that is very endearing, uh, even just for the sake of Armin and Mikasa. But why and I've come to terms with why this choice, why the choice to start the rumbling was the only route. Aaron's been through all of this, and he told Mikasa, and he told Armin this. He's like, no matter what I do, no matter I've I've tried, I've tried so many times to not let the rumbling be the option and not kill 80% of the population, but this is the only way that things go. It's like the the Doctor Strange and and what out of all these scenarios, I see one. This is the only good like outcome is starting the rumbling, allowing y'all to be the heroes, and you know, at least having some peace there for some time. Um, so I've come to terms with that is that is the choice, that is the option. But why in that moment does he not tell Armin, like, why does he why is that not more apparent? Armin, this is the only way that we were gonna achieve some kind of peace. And um one of our biggest things while we were in the walls was was freedom and peace and like just everyone living happily together. This was the closest that we could get. This is why I did what I had to do. I was cursed with this knowledge. My father cursed me with this. Um, I'm stuck with with knowing how all of this plays out, and this is what I had to do. Um, why not play it up more as a sacrifice way where it's like, yeah, Aaron had to kill 80% of the population, but like what else was there to do for this universe, for this world? Um when it comes to uh everyone existing in in peace, Marley, Eldia, all of the other countries. Why is that not more apparent in in that finale? Why why not give Aaron some kind of quote unquote redemption, but like at least some reason? Something to back up that yeah, some reason or something to back up those choices instead of just having them tell Aaron or Armin, uh, I did it because I'm dumb. Like, I don't know. It plays.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:08

Yeah, and he he said he wanted to, because like he I went back and re-watched it yesterday. He says, uh, I I don't know why I did it, but I just know that I wanted to see this. And it the the camera pans and shows the the the the ocean of blood, and he he he picks up the the hair and and guts and and teeth um in his hand. I like he he just wanted to see this site is what is is what he says. And then also he he does say I'm just in a garden variety idiot who got his hands on power. Um yeah. And like sure there's something to be said there, uh in terms of like a message that the that the show might be going for. Um but I I I do think I'm in agreement with you as as in in terms of like I just I don't know that I buy that as like a a great reason for me to agree with Aaron or just try to find some common ground with Aaron because like I mean I don't think I'm the smartest person in the world, but I don't think I would do that if I had that power. Like I I don't know. Uh and also I just that I I do think they did a decent job at trying to tell us why all these other options, at least for peace on Paradis, won't work because like the world is too ignorant and arrogant to understand them or to even want to hear them out. Even uh I forget I forget her name, but uh the one who's related to Mikasa, uh who or who is in this in the same clan as her.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:49

Oh, I I forget. Is it the one that was like talking about her scarf and how much she looked up to her?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:58

I don't know if they talked about her scarf, but they have like the same marking or whatever. I don't know. She she's from she's a she's from another country, another governing country that like started to help Eldia or Paradise specifically. Um help them understand stuff about the world and and and they were gonna make a peace treaty or something like that. But with that character, like she I something that she said, I believe she backed up the point also that like nobody is going to want to work with with Eldia. And also it's just the fact that the the options that they had, they their options were cut down to the option that they had in that in arc two and arc three because of what Aaron did in arc one. Knowing he knew attacking Morley like this, killing a bunch of civilians that and and and other governing countries, uh politicians and everything like that, he knew that that would make the world hate parody. And I you could argue that maybe he did that as like a reason to back up him wanting to do the rumbling, so like people just now everybody hates them, so everybody should die. And but it's just like I you you had a a a lot better standpoint to to to go off of and that at that point before you had done anything to Marley than to than than after you do everything to Marley. Like I I don't know. I guess what I'm trying to say is like I get it, whatever he saw when kissing his story's hand made him go down this path, but I I just wish that the show maybe made it a bit more clear to us as to what he saw. Like, I'd love to see the other ways in which this wouldn't have worked out. But as you mentioned with like the Doctor Strange thing, we never see any of that, and yet that works for me. So yeah, I don't know. Maybe this one's just a a bit bigger, yeah. As uh uh as whatever you're about to say, Brandon.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:03

I was just gonna say, I think it's because it's an outcome you like or can agree with in the Doctor Strange situation. I think my problem with this is the time travel. Once you get into all that, you're like, this is seriously the best outcome. Like, I don't you could I I don't know how you write it, how you refix at this point, but once you introduce time travel and you're like, this is the only outcome. I'm just like, how, but like, how do the time travel powers work? How how far back can we go? What actually all is it is he is he setting in place? Because like, did he actually set everything else up for this? And then I I don't know. I think that the time thing gets really weird within the like this is the only path forward. I just think that's odd and too genocidal. And I understand that's like Aaron is an aggressive kid who grew up in a press land, and I understand that mentally it's not all there. But that's where like I have my problems with the ending is like this was your option, and especially with the time travel. It's like, what are we doing?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:56

And that's why I can buy like that aspect of Aaron. The one who is so blinded by his hatred, uh, I can buy that aspect of him saying, I don't know why I did this specifically. I just know that I wanted to see this. I wanted to see all this blood and destruction and death at my hand, which he doesn't say that I'm adding that. But uh I can buy that that's the case for him because looking at, as we said, uh, or as I mentioned earlier, his sheer hatred for the Titans because of what happens to his mother, that then turns into hatred for Marley because of Marley's the one who sends the Titans, technically, and Marley just hates all of the people on Paradise. I guess I struggle to understand, like, sure, okay, Marley, that's your all your enemies are in Marley. Uh but then like we get that flashback episode where they all of them f uh go over to Marley for the first time or go to the mainland for the first time. And then we see it this doesn't happen in that episode, it happens in uh, I believe the part one of the finale special.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:18

Uh our uh Aaron goes back to that kid, that that that um pickpocket kid, and he's like, I'm so sorry for what I'm about to do. I am so so I'm so sorry. And great moment, sure. But like if you're up like why? Why are you doing it to that kid though? Like, I just don't why are you doing it to everybody? Like, I I I follow the the the track of logic of of sheer rage and hatred for people, so long as it sticks to Marley. I I adding in the entire rest of the world just doesn't uh as even as far as like Aaron's character goes, with as I keep mentioning, with the him just hating everybody. I just don't see that being the case here, and like so much so, even it doesn't look like they agree with it either, because they're having him apologize to the little kid before anything even happens.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:06

Yeah, um, well, and I think that moment plays good for the sake of I've I've seen what happens, and there's literally no way I can stop it. Like, I'm sorry. Uh it's it's exactly what I think Grisha tried to do to Aaron. Also, it's like, I'm I'm sorry, there's no other way. I have to make you a titan, and you have to eat me, and I have to burden you with this because of this time loop that we're in. And I know that I have to do this, and you are the one making me do this. Like, I'm I'm sorry. And I think that moment plays good for the sake of Aaron's doing the same thing because he knows that there's just absolutely no other way, and he feels remorse for it and he feels sorry about it. Um, but yeah, again, to your point, it's like, why? Why, Aaron? Why do you I don't know? I guess I guess he just thinks that if he kills everybody in the world except for Paradise, they can truly live in peace and they can truly just exist as a nation, I guess. Um, but like I I guess that's his like train of thought. Um I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:10

Yeah. Yeah. Uh but speaking of that that episode of the flashback episode, I love that so much. Just because and like I I I cried while watching it because like I slowly I came to the realization, especially when they're all sitting there uh partying with the the people uh down in their in their tents and what another, all get like drinking and having fun and dancing. I started crying because like, oh dude, this is this is the last time that they were like all together and the last time that they truly got to enjoy uh life together. Uh that shit that shit just hit so much.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:45

But um Armin, Mikasa, and Aaron just sleeping heads together, and that that was really good. Um I think Aaron's I think the the rumbling itself, uh the founding titan, all the colossal titans, like all of it is just like such a grand moment. Uh it's like the scale is so impressive. And then my girl Hanji. I told you it wasn't a spoiler, but it definitely was a spoiler. Oh, really? Uh yeah, well, she's like in the edit, she's falling, burning up with like oh, I've never thought about that one actually. The edit talks about like an astronaut falling into space, and he's like, as soon as he hits Earth's atmosphere, he will start burning up and he'll just start free falling. And as soon as he does, it transitions to Hanji, and it's an edit of Hanji like falling, burning, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:35

I was bawling when Hanji died.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:37

I was bawling when Hanji died. When when she when she looks up and sees everyone, she's like, Oh, that's what that's what this is.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:45

Oh, dude, that was so good, bro. That was so good. Airman meeting her. Oh my gosh, bro. Yeah, that's so fire.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:53

Fucking Hanji, bro. Uh, the leave the moment with Levi 2 hits really hard where he stops her with his fists and he's like, This is your heart and soul to the cause. Um, I thought all of that was really good. It it genuinely feels like the world is ending. We're about to see all of our our our main characters die, they're all gonna like turn into titans. They do turn into titans. Jean, my absolute my goat, John and Connie turn into Titans, and uh everything is just in a in a complete uh you know, um downfall.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:26

I just want to say, I'm thinking about the fact that you just said that that wasn't a spoiler, you shouldn't have said that. Well, I didn't go back and watch it, but I I I when you said that I want you to know my first initial thought was like when you told me that it wasn't a spoiler, or yeah, yeah, last week when you told me it wasn't a spoiler, I was like, Oh, okay, then I can probably go back and watch that, but I just never did. I told you, I told you not to.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:48

I told you not to because I really tracks, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:52

You were like, is that a spoiler? And I was like, no, but I still wouldn't watch it because it it ruins a moment that's cool if you don't know that it happened. You did say that, and you were like, Oh, okay, okay. I was like, You did that as a biggest spoiler ever. Like, I can't believe you avoided that. Um, but yes, uh everything is going to absolute shit, and then we get the moment of Mikasa killing Aaron, uh, her finally breaking that burden, and um Aaron's conversations with Mikasa and Armin. We talked a little bit about it, but yeah, I think the moment with Armin is really nice. Um, I think even Armin stopping Aaron from spiraling out of control when he when he talks about um having to send Dinah to his mom. And um I I think everything there is good, especially Armin's like just cry whenever he sees. Oh, dude, when he sees oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:49

That I I rewatched that last night too. So fucking good. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:55

Uh, even though like it does like that was part of my problem with anime is like the trophy, like overly over the top, like screen. Oh no, that is like that that that one that one banged though. That one banged. Like, I don't know. That one, that one was fire. Uh, also, I wanted to to to go back a little bit though, just some hype moments in aura, like when like when they're fighting on top of Aaron and like Mikas is doing her fucking thing, and she just fucking I I like she's she's moving towards uh I think it's Levi and and um who is it, bro? It's not Jean because John's with Rhina. I don't know, Levi and somebody else, and then fucking flock comes out or sorry, Falco. My gosh, Falco comes out of nowhere with the wings right behind her. Oh my gosh, bro, that was so fucking fire.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:47

Yeah, dude. And I think everything like the rumble, it's gorgeously animated. It is so nice. I was upset because I was watching it on the way home because at this point I was like, all right, Charlie started it, he's probably gonna get there pretty quick. I gotta finish uh the show. And so I'm watching it on the drive home, and I didn't realize I did realize in the moment I just made the sacrifice. I had tickets to watch the last two episodes in theaters, so I could have just watched an episode, left the two, and experienced it in theaters, but I was coming home that Sunday night. I would have had to work all day Monday and then go watch it, and there was no absolutely no way my wife would have gone for that uh because I hadn't seen her for five days, and um, I was like, I'm just gonna have to make the sacrifice and not go watch it in theaters for the first time. So I watched it on the way home, but it's gorgeously animated. Uh the ODM gear is just awesome, it will always be awesome. We talked about it earlier, the Jean and Rhina moment where he saves them and he's like, because that's what scouts do. Annie makes her grand uh appearance with uh Falco flying and using his jaw titan to fly. It's all really good stuff. Um, I think it's great. We talked about the the Aaron's Aaron's decision, all of that, all of that stuff. Um, let's talk about the ending, because um I've had I've had a lot of conversations with my coworkers on in terms of the ending. I've watched a lot of videos. And I will say my headcanon, my just what helps me sleep at night, because I still love this show. I I think it's uh I was telling Brandon, I think it's a nine out of ten. It's up there. Like I will talk about it in the same breath as the breaking bads, better cross all successions. Like I it is in that that league of TV shows for me. And I think my headcanon, because Brandon, I I do want to, I do want you to say your your piece on like the Titans uh resurrecting or like the Titans, you know, still being in the story. My piece on this is what we talked about earlier with Aaron doing the Doctor Strange. This is the one scenario that works. I need to make Mikasa and Armin hate me so that they can kill me. Um and I will erase their memories for that reason, so that they cannot even hesitate in that moment to kill me, so that they can be the heroes, so that whenever it comes time that they stopped me and Eldia betrayed their own people for the sake of humanity, then we can finally stop being seen as island devils. We can finally stop being seen uh in the in the light that we've been seen in. This is the only route to go. This is what I'm gonna do. Mikasa and Armin do that, they they fulfill that job, they kill them. And then she sits with Aaron and uh at his gravesite and she says, just give me a sign, something that you're with me. And the crow picks up her scarf and leaves. That's it. That is the end of the show. Nothing else that I've seen, nothing else like that. Is my headcanon, Eldia got to exist with other nations peacefully. Now there were still some, you know, maybe some wars or maybe some disagreements because they they talk about that at the end. Humanity is never gonna be that way. That's just what we've seen in real life, right? That is my ending of the show. Nothing that happens after. I don't need to see nukes falling on top of Eldia as a city, um, and and just being a complete waste. Like, I do think that there's something interesting about the fact that Aaron went through all this. This is the ending that we've got, and nothing really changed. There was a little bit of peace, and nations are still fighting because that there is something that is dreadful and makes you makes you think uh with that ending. I don't think there's really anything bad about that ending, uh, per se, either that one or my headcanon ending. I'm choosing my headcanon ending because I just want to believe that the scouts, what the scouts fought and died for was a possibility, which is peace and Eldia being able to exist with other nations and there not being uh a huge issue there. The scouts fought and died for that. I want to believe that there is some kind of hope in this story that that is a possibility. So that is my headcanon. That is what helps me sleep at night when it comes to this show. I don't think the the ending that we see in the in the show is necessarily bad when it in terms of like nations fighting and whatnot, because we got to see Mikasa grow old. We got to see Mikasa visit Aaron's gravesite with her family, and that means that for their lifetime, for the scouts' lifetime, that there was some kind of peace and there was some type of um of of the ending that I'm saying. Now humanity is gonna be humanity, there's gonna be fights, and that's where we see like all the destruction. When it comes to the tree, though, Brandon, because I know this was the big thing, because it it what it looks like is the founding titan is there, right? The founding titan, the the time has gone. There's a big tree, a boy and his dog walk up to it. Um, I was talking to my buddy about it, and yeah, I was talking to my my coworker, and he said that there is a boy and his dog in Titan form during the rumbling. It is on Aaron's back that he's manifesting with the Warhammer. And at the end of the show, you're meant to believe that this boy and his dog walk up to the tree, and that is they become Titans, and that is what Aaron is pulling from. And he says he doesn't think that there is anything that has to do with titans in that tree. And again, this is why I want to pick your brain. He thinks that there's nothing that has to do with titans in that tree because his head canon, again, some of it is headcanon, uh, is that Aaron in that moment of the rumbling is pulling from past and few past and present uh and future, and he is creating all of these titans from that we've you know that we haven't seen before. And one of those happens to be something in the future, a boy and his dog in Titan form or whatnot. Well, after they kill Aaron, that timeline is also axed from uh the future that Aaron was pulling from in that moment, and the tree that they stumble upon is just Aaron's tree, and that's it. That's his headcanon. I'm choosing to cut that off even earlier and say that my headcanon stops uh earlier than that. But I do want to break down more of your thoughts on the uh Titan and the tree and and why you hate that, uh, your reasoning for all of that.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:25

So I was going through, I was uh pulling up the Reddit page from when it the day the chapter.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:31

It's locked, by the way. They said they had to lock their own negativity. Oh gosh. Um and everybody is kind of having the same debate because I forgot where the anime ended. And the anime it doesn't end with Misika visiting, right? It does flash forward to this like shot of the dog.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:46

The post the post credit scene flashes forward, yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:49

It shows like all the war, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:52

Yeah, nukes and all of that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:54

So the tree, I was reading the comments because I was like, this is what I thought, and I realized it was four years ago, which makes me feel old. But it's implied that tree is the same tree that gave the founding powers to Ymir, right? Ymir, yes. So the theory or the discussion is is that it's just it is history repeating itself. The kid is an oppressed kid who's now lived through war. The powers kind of pop back up when needed, and it kind of just is a reset. Um take that however you want. That's mostly what everybody kind of agreed on at the time, which made it feel that, and that's how it made it feel to me is that yeah, Aaron did this for his friends, and I think that's you know, I get it. I do. But at the cost of what? And instead of coming up with like an actual answer, because the paths are gone. The original Yamir and Aaron, when they died, it cut off the path. So whatever happens from here on out, now is a whole new situation. And I just felt, you know, I get what Aaron's going for, I get, you know, the motives, I understand, but the choices that are made that kind of lead to that, and then everything just repeating itself isn't something I really care about. And it's something maybe more in the last couple years where I just don't like endings that are so depressing, where it's like, man, our characters did this and it amounted to nothing. At the end of the day, nothing changes. And I just don't the world doesn't change. Maybe for a couple years we had a good, but then after that, it's back to everything just being shitty and history, you know, just repeats itself. And so that's why I don't like the ending of Attack of Time. I do agree with Aiden, I still think it's one of the best. I am not as high on it as everybody else, but I told Aiden too that the community is pretty divided on the ending. Um like it's not beloved, but it's also I mean it's hated and loved in both ways. Um and you either love it or hate it. It seems to be the kind of mentality. But that's just why I don't like it. I still think the show overall is like an 8.5. I could be argued a nine, but I do think it's like one of the best starter animes for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:58

Um Charlie, your thoughts as you finished the show.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:03

Yeah, for me, I I guess I think I liked it. I haven't I mean thinking about it like that, adding in the uh aspect of like everybody who's fought and died for uh for this cause of like a a world, potential world without Titans, those who died before even knowing the knowledge that uh like people like Ervin and whatnot knowing the knowledge that we have now. Uh I guess like when you put it like that, it it makes it a little less satisfying. But yeah, I in terms of uh just like a message, like no matter what you do, um history's just gonna repeat itself in the end, uh, and more death and destruction will follow. I don't I'm not gonna say that's a good message, uh, but a real message, sure. Uh, but also, yeah, I don't think that if you wanna it depends on how you want to look back on the show, I guess. Like, do you wanna have like that feeling that Aiden wants to have with his headcanon, or do you want to have um not that you want this feeling, Brandon, but the the feeling of of of depression and and and uh slight with nukes dropping on the city and then another kid who has lived through hell coming to start the cycle all over again.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:31

Yeah, and part of me, I should have said this too. Part of me wonders if the ending's message is intentional that people who come to power through violence never keep power, and so like the whole point is genocide genocide bad. You know, I feel like it's kind of like the underlying message of like yeah, yeah, use it like that, then that's what we're just gonna do is repeat it. I don't know if that's what he's intending to do, uh, but I should have mentioned that too. Which if that's it, I'm more okay with it. I still don't love that all the characters I liked are just you know SOL, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:07

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fair, fair, fair.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:10

Uh I mean, sure, I I I think I enjoy the uh the end. I I'd probably lean closer to Aiden and like cut it off with the with the bird taking the scarf, because yeah, I think that that's I think that's a great moment. Um and yeah, I I am a sucker though. I'd be lying if I said I'm not a sucker for like just a time lapse of getting to see one spot later and later and later into the future. It's like it's kind of why that uh I I say this, but I haven't watched it. But that movie that came out like last year, maybe two years ago, where the camera's in a fixed position through like the dinosaur ages and it has like Tom Hanks in it or whatever. Uh the camera's in a fixed position, and you see the dinosaurs, you see all the way up to like the uh industrial age of America or whatever, and then there's a house built around it, and you see this family grow up and and have their kids and their kids have kids, yada, yada, yada. Um, I'm kind of like a sucker for that kind of thing. So it was interesting to see, but I mean, yeah, I don't know that it really uh at that point it feels very disconnected from the story because like it's um it's just showing us like what Aaron's grave grave, like how long it's it's been here and what's gone through, even though at the very end, I think is what the tree is the is the is the main point that they probably want you to hang on to. Um I watched the movie the for for my first for the finale part one and two, the one that combines them, and it has like the post-credit scene. So my ending oh the with the the yeah, my ending was finding out that it's it was all a fucking movie. So nice, and I got to see I got to see a goth me Mikasa and uh uh fucking nice uh what like a hipster Armin, like a hipster uh Gen Z addicted to his phone, Armin and Aaron, who just loves his friends.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:09

Levi's a cop too, right? Isn't that yeah?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:12

No, no, no, Levi, Levi's a janitor. He's a janitor at the at the fucking at the movie theater. He does like a spin move and like washes the wall really cool. Like, I don't know. And it was basically just Armin complaining about the end, like, oh my god, I waited 10 years for that. That was fucking bullshit. And Aaron's just like, I'm just glad I got to watch it with you guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:36

Everyone's favorite tweak, Armin, bro. Fucking well, awesome, man. Yeah, I I knew this would be a long one, so uh, yeah, I'm not even mad at it. Um, I'm I'm glad that you watched it. I'm glad that you enjoyed it by based on what it what it seems like. I grinded the same finishing weeks. That's great. I I I knew that yeah, I knew that. You would dude. I knew that it would. I knew it would be something. All of the questions and character motives and and uh character development. I knew it would be something that you would immediately sink your teeth in. So um next is One Piece. So you want to watch something else next? Are you you want to watch 10 attack on Titans back to back to back to back? Um, with all this.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:27

Uh well, I got a coworker who's telling me to watch Death Note.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:30

Uh yeah, I think you'd like Death Note.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:33

I got I mean, obviously, you're telling me to watch uh what is it, Full Metal Alchemist? Yeah, is that what it is?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:40

Yeah, I it's look, it's peak. I I One Piece is my favorite, obviously. Ignore all that. But I think it's like just a pure anime experience. I think FMA is like maybe the best.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:52

I love Full Metal Alchemist.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:54

I have some people telling me to watch solo leveling, I have some people telling me to watch JJK. Um I think I might be into My Hero.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:05

I think you would rather like My Hero. I do. The final season just aired and it was a 10 out of 10.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:09

Really?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:10

I think yeah, I think it kind of stumbles in uh five and six. Those seasons I'm kind of like, alright, let's just get there. But it all comes together in the end and works in a way that I'm like, you know what? Fuck it.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:22

We can sacrifice for peak after peak episodes.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:28

Yeah, and then um I think there's one other one that like maybe I mean I've heard about Vinlan saga, but I don't really know much about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:36

Ooh, I think you'd like Vinlan. I do.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:38

Yeah, it's what about Demon Slayer? I still haven't finished Demon Slayer. Look, I have I have a take.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:46

It this is my problem from being around too long with animated. Demon Slayer is just so generic to me that like I understand the new gin, really like it. I have it's beautifully animated, the fights are cool. It's just to me, it's like a nothing. Like you're it's it's hype moments in aura. Okay, and so like I mean I think you'll like it. I think the fights are really cool. It's just getting to some of them are is what it is, other than the Mugen Train movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:09

Dude, the I was gonna say that movie is still one of the best movies I've ever seen. I think it is it has every five out of five. But it is I loved it. It was fucking awesome. I love that shit. Yeah. Damn, son. That was that was awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:27

Yeah, or you guys can start you know, clip farming for one piece, you know. That's what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:31

I'm I'm a I'm a free agent right now. I I think I stopped my anime train because part of me felt like attack on Titan, like finishing attack on Titan. I was so tied down to that. Where it's like, if I'm gonna finish this, I have to record the reactions to it, but then I I don't want to start anything else until I finish it. Um I think just being like, all right, whatever, the reactions are just aren't gonna come. I need to finish it. I want to talk about it on the episodes. Well, now I'm here, now I'm done. I do have to watch Avatar because it's I drafted it for Rotten Tomatoes, and that I'm in the middle of watching the backrooms uh YouTube videos right now uh for the movie this week. Um but I'm a free agent as well. So look, I've been pushing Aiden to watch FMA, so this is your moment to Yeah, I did and that's it because I Vinland Saga, obviously, before I started watching Attack on Titan, it was like Attack on Titan was always gonna be my my next one, but like Vinland Saga, My Hero Academia, like all of these, I just had my pick of the litter. Um I and I know you've been trying to get me to watch uh full metal alchemist for a while, and I've heard a lot of great things, like a ton of great things about it. So I think it finally might be time to to pull the trigger because I can't have Charlie beat me there. So if I can if he's in, if he's in his like taking a break after his first anime type of phase right now, then I'll jump on the opportunity.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:57

I also think you both would like my hero. I do. I do think both of these enjoyed.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:01

I think so. I think so too. I remember you telling me that that was like kind of that was maybe your first. I remember you telling me, I think this would be a good one for you because it's superhero and the strike or the writer's strike is out right now, so like it's a good opportunity to start it.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:13

I have so many friends who bullied me, made fun of me for watching anime, who when my hero came out, everything changed. It that that and Attack on Titan were like the two where they watch them and then they're like, Alright, what else is there? And we did nights of just watching things, and I'm like, I'm like, screw all of you for this, years of this, but also like welcome, you know. Um I do think my hero is really good. I think my hero has several like super hype moments, and I think it also has like a really good story in the end. It's not gonna be anything groundbreaking, it's very much a Spider-Man, like he's very much a Peter Parker type character, if that helps.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:52

That's that is not that is Deku, Deku, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:55

Or Midoria. It's a Zuka Midoria, but his hero name is Deku. Um and all mine is Superman. Like, it's like if you took Superman and Spider-Man and put them into a show together, that's pretty much what my hero is.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:09

Sick animation or no?

SPEAKER_01 1:33:11

Yes, it actually season two, well, no, season one, the finale or the second to last episode had a fight that like changed my perspective of like how fights should be animated.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:23

See, this is what I um I tell Charlie, I'm like, dude, invincible. Like, I tell Charlie and Ben, I'm like, this invincible shit cannot slide, bro, because you look at what else is out there.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:33

I cannot let this slide for like a quarter of the budget, if if not less, nickels, nickels.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:39

Okay, hold on. This is something that I I I meant to say last week too, um, in regards to that not that I'm defending Invincible, but there are multiple moments. And I don't know if every uh anime is like this, but there are if we're gonna rag on Invincible for doing the JPEG, dragging the JPEG across the screen. Dude it's yeah, bro. Attack there are multiple moments in every like almost every episode where like they just don't want to animate, which is fine. So they just show us a picture of like their care of characters walking. They just show us a picture, and then their characters are talking over, doing a voiceover over it. And it's like, all right, if we're gonna rag, at least they're like dragging the JPEG across the screen, they're not even doing that, they're just drawing a picture.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:26

I hope both of you watch Dragon Ball at some point because that's the biggest offender to me of like the same shot over and over and over again, where you're like, okay, 20-minute episode, half this episode is just redoing the frame, and I it's the same mouth movements. I know it's the same mouth movements.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:43

Dude, actually, speaking of that, thank you, Brandon. Speaking of that, that was a little bit of a thing for me. There, not it doesn't happen all the time with Attack on Titan, but like when you finish an episode and then you go to the next episode and it's covering the the like it's just showing you the last two minutes of the episode you just finished. I'm like, all right, bro, what are we doing? Like uh so then I'm like But it's not all like sometimes it's like one to one, but then sometimes it's like showing you a different angle of it, and I'm like, okay, so then but like I don't I don't know it's so that's not that big a deal.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:14

It's a budget. Well, I don't know how to explain this. One piece would be my easier example of how to explain this. So, like, they're caught up in a schedule, they're expected to put these episodes out every week when they sign the contract. A lot of them don't start working on them. I hate how Japan does their animation stuff, other than I mean it's gorgeous, but like their work ethic. So a lot of times they'll include these recaps that are sometimes multiple minutes because they have to fill time. They're like, we can't finish the episode, or at least we can't stretch it out the way we did. And so you'll get a lot of that repeat stuff where it's like, okay, what are we doing here?

SPEAKER_03 1:35:45

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I it's not that big a deal to me. It's just I don't know. Like if we're gonna ride on Invincible, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:35:54

Yeah, oh no, there's plenty, there's plenty to rag on anime about their choices. It's just easy to punch down right now at a two million dollar an episode show.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:03

Oh, sure, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:05

That's why I like hang up sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:07

I'm not defending it in any way just because of of that alone. Like, and I'm sure we'll talk a little bit more about that if we get to the boys today. Cause like, golly. Which it doesn't look like Brandon's gonna make it to the boys.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:21

I I can go to thirty. I have I have a little bit of an extender, so let's Okay, there you go. Because if not, I could talk about anime for a while.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:27

So but Yeah. Well, let's let's get to these these next couple topics. So our