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We have seen Disclosure Day and its time to give our review baby. We also watched a new release called "The Furious" and chatted a bit about some upcoming releases. More of a chill episode again this week before we get into a crazy summer coming up here soon.
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0:00 Intro/Comments
8:50 Box Office Updates
34:20 Disclosure Day Review
56:00 The Furious Review
1:16:15 Doomsday, Odyssey, Spiderman Talk
1:40:15 Outro
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Welcome back, everybody, to the words from the nerds podcast. It's your boy Aiden, joined by my two wonderful favorite co-hosts in the entire world, Ben and Charlie. My boys, we got a little bit of a chill episode today. We got a bit of a chill episode today. If you want to bounce around, time codes are in the bottom. We're touching on some box office updates because we are living through some of the best box office ages ever. The one year that we decide to lock in and focus on it. Do a draft over it. We picked an amazing year. It has been so healthy. Um, so we're gonna talk about the box office a little bit. Um, we will touch on disclosure day. Uh, me and Ben went and saw the Furious, so we will give our thoughts on that. And we might just do some chatting. We might do some chatting because uh, you know, we we might have some things pop up. We got some Batman news that's been coming out and whatnot. So we might find some time to chit-chat a little bit. I know these boys love going two hours over, so you know we'll always find a find a reason to stretch that. Um, without further ado, I'm gonna kick us off with going into some of these comments that we got. If you want to drop any comments, whether that's on the audio, you can drop a comment on any audio listening platform, Spotify, Apple, Google, any of those wonderful uh platforms. There is a little link there that says send us a text message. You can send us a text message if you don't want to hop over to a different user interface to drop a comment, or you can drop one on YouTube, as most people have been doing. Two familiar names, two friends of the show, two best friends of the show, Memish and Brandon. So I will go through these in whatever order I want. So Memish kicks us off and says, these hot takes were definitely hot. Oh my! Which our last episode, we all came with two hot takes. As you can see, we are all still together doing a podcast, so it didn't break anything up too bad, even though there was sweat and red faces. Oh my gosh, I was really listening. Um Star Wars has never been a good franchise.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's a all right.
SPEAKER_04Anyway, well, it's a hot take. It's a hot take. You can you can go watch that episode if you want, it came out uh about a week ago. So Mimish said that those hot takes were definitely hot. I don't I don't blame him.
SPEAKER_00About a week ago, we could go. Okay, oh Brandon comes in.
SPEAKER_04Who am I doing a podcast right now? Comment, and uh, this is actually interesting. We will have a lot of insight to this later. But he says, I'm just commenting this for future discussion. I'm hoping disclosure day just breaks even. I'll see that as a win since it was the very last pick, but my dream is that it's a breakout and makes closer to five, six hundred mil. We'll talk about that a little bit later. So, folks, keep that comment in mind. Brandon also is in our box office drafts, which we'll touch a little bit on later. And then Memish hits us with uh best podcast ever, the GOAT, the greatest of all time, back up in here. Uh Mimish actually just produced a freaking movie and it won an award. I saw that. So my boy is we gotta get we gotta get him on to talk about that.
SPEAKER_07I keep forgetting I gave him a hashtag best producer ever. Yeah, you go back to the community.
SPEAKER_04Well, I thought it was great because I commented something and he said I wouldn't be here if it weren't for meeting y'all. That that made me feel kind of good. I'm like, ah, that's a lot of credit, Mimish. Come on, man. Yeah, he's doing more than we are. I know, right? Uh Mimish says, I got a crazy, crazy hot take. This is one that I did not read. I glanced over this one, Ben, when we were talking earlier. Uh, I got a crazy, crazy hot take. I will forever say this X-Men over the Avengers in every aspect. It's a hill I've lived on and forever will die on. Days of Future Pass is better than Endgame 2. Whoa shit. Whoa.
SPEAKER_07I was actually so with you.
SPEAKER_04I was actually so with you. I was like, oh, because I'm I'm right there. I think the X-Men you could tell like way better. You have a lot more of a playground there than the Avengers, but whoa, mama was on the I think Days of Future Pass is a great movie.
SPEAKER_02I actually love Days of Future Pass better than the game.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I can't I can't speak on because I haven't seen all the X-Men movies. We've been over this plenty of times, so I can't speak fully on it from a movie perspective. But I think the edge that I'll I would give to the X-Men is like the Avengers feel like a team that comes together to defeat a necessary evil. X-Men feels more like a family, like there's more of a rooted, grounded connection between them. So from that perspective, I can understand where the take's coming from. Yeah, I will be trying to watch X-Men 97 in the next two weeks. I will try, especially now that I'm not watching Attack on Titan.
SPEAKER_07Try, brother. You got two weeks, dog. There is there is no try, there's just do. I will you're not participating in the conversation.
SPEAKER_06I will do it, especially now that I'm not watching Attack on Titan.
SPEAKER_07I know you'll be watching that soon.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I I thought I thought continuing weeks ago. Not grinding.
SPEAKER_07I'm I mean, no, I mean I I've been posted, I posted another YouTube video. I posted two YouTube videos.
SPEAKER_02Big ups, big ups, but yeah, yo, I'm trying to put this video.
SPEAKER_04No, yeah, yeah. Come on, you weren't fighting back. Console trying to bring that back. I'm trying to bring console back.
SPEAKER_07I just I'm just trying to give simple responses, baby, just so people know I'm active, you know.
SPEAKER_04Uh uh, that's a great hot take, Mimish. I will thumbs, I will thumbs up that. Uh, and then Memish says, I watched I'm gonna save this other one for last. It's so funny. Um, I watched Disclosure Day, and I will be real, guys. I don't know if these types of films are for me, but it was a good film, not amazing. I'd give it like a three or three and a half. We will touch on disclosure day later, but I'm glad we got Mimish's insight. And then, all right, roll the violins out, baby. Memish says, I got some bad news, guys. Well, it's gonna be great news for Charlie, but Doctor Who is officially canceled.
SPEAKER_00What really?
SPEAKER_04He's at RIP 1963 to 2025. The Christmas special got canceled, and the screenwriters and directors all left. Uh, now they're waiting for someone to buy it if it returns, which is not likely. It will return, and Charlie will watch it one day. I'll even watch Chuck. Oh shit.
SPEAKER_07That's uh that's not a fair trade-off, though. There's not a fair trade-off, dude. What? How many seasons, bro? No, man. There's five seasons of Chuck, bro. Not a fair trade-off. How many seasons of Doctor Who are there? Is there like that's what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04Too many.
SPEAKER_07There's way no, he just said from 1963 to 20.
SPEAKER_04There's got to be at least the whole series, yeah. Yeah, that's why I said too many.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, no way, bro. Oh, dude, that sucks that it got cancelled, though. Like, I as much shit as I talk on it.
SPEAKER_03Come on.
SPEAKER_07No, no, I would love, I would have loved for the show to get like the the like the proper ending that it wanted. Like if they like they they did a final season and where they knew it was a final season, you know.
SPEAKER_06It just is that is that show ever really canceled? Like, it's gonna there's gonna be more Doctor Who, yeah. I don't know. Mimish knows more than me. I don't I just I wouldn't be sitting there devastated that it's quote unquote canceled.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I mean, yeah, Mimish would be the one to to ask. Mimish would be the one that that knows. So um, oh gosh, what a what a funny batch of comments. Well, uh, thank you everybody for everyone that's commented. As I said, you could also leave your comment down below if you have any takes that you want us to react to, if you disagree or if you love something that we have mentioned on the on the episode, please feel free to leave it down below. Um transitioning into our next bit of conversation because Brandon reminded me so gloriously that this next um project has come out, and we have a gosh dang box office number for it. So disclosure day has come out. It was Brandon's fourth pick, and you know, for the sake of you know, concise podcasting, we won't go through all of our picks all over again, but all you need to know is that next week Toy Story comes out, and that is Charlie's hit pick. And this week we got disclosure day, which was Brandon's last pick of our summer draft. So, real quick, the way this is just storm into the lead. Yeah, the way that this has uh the way that this is structured for folks that um are new here or whatnot. Um, we drafted at the beginning of the year, and you draft for three seasons. So you draft for winter, which is the beginning of the year, you draft for the summer, and you draft for fall. You get a hit pick, me, Brandon, Ben, and Charlie. All of us got a hit pick, and then we all got a bomb pick. So it's like, hey, you know what? I'm gonna pick this movie because I know it's gonna do horrible, and y'all are all gonna take negative hits off of it. That's essentially what a bomb pick was. We drafted our winter season, those episodes are out, and we have drafted our summer. So our summer is in full swing. We have two hit picks that are a part of the summer season that are coming out right now, as um as of in a couple days. I was gonna say as we speak, but that is not true. Um, as we're in here in a couple days with Charlie's pick, and then a month from now will be mine. So Brandon's disclosure day has come out um after one weekend in theaters. Um, and then maybe let me see if they updated this one weekend plus a Monday in theaters. We are sitting at minus, we'll round up minus 200 mil for disclosure day right now. Um, I know Brandon talked a little bit about his thoughts, and we have also talked a little bit of our thoughts on um disclosure day and the great word of mouth that it was getting. Um so I want to talk a little bit about that and how that has potentially affected the box office. Because someone please correct me. Those early critic scores were insanely high for what we have seen with this movie.
SPEAKER_06Dude, I think everyone who saw it like really, really early when those initial reactions came out, I think they put something in that theater. That's all I'm gonna say. Because ever since then, it's it's all been downhill from from critics and from the audience. I don't think anybody expected things to turn out this way based on those early reactions. We went from Spielberg's best movie in 20 years to like, eh. Yeah. I don't know how we fell off the cliff that fast. It's actually I I don't know what I don't know what happened. I didn't see a single bad review for the movie from its initial wave of reactions.
SPEAKER_04Yep. I don't think any of us really did, because man, the way that they were talking about this movie and the way we because we have this movie in two drafts, you know, our Rotten Tomatoes and whatnot. Uh, and the way we were even taking all of those reviews in was like uh, oh man, we are in for some hurt, me and Charlie, and then me, Charlie, and Ben for the for the box office. Um, but uh you know that opening is the biggest for any original Steven Spielberg movie, I think was is what was being thrown around. The biggest for any original movie in a while, I think I saw um opening weekend wise. And I mean, yeah, it it made uh what uh about a hundred mil? I mean 93, 93 mil worldwide. Um but where do we I want I want someone to throw something out because I know Brandon's pre-prediction was oh I I think this will break even, but I want it to get to five six, five hundred, six hundred mil if the word of mouth is good, which um we were talking, he thinks it'll break even. What do we think that this will pan out as people on the outside looking into his list? What where do we think that this movie finishes?
SPEAKER_07Um, you know, I think uh casual audiences seem to want to see this movie. I don't know why, just because it's about aliens, maybe. Um, but that friend that I was on the phone with before we started, he's actually watching it in 20 minutes. He bought his ticket to go see it. And he doesn't really go to the movies very much. So, and I got a couple co-workers that want to talk that want to go see it and they're also kind of casuals, and they what so I don't know. I I I can see this movie breaking even for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I uh I don't think it'll I don't think it's getting above a 50 mil profit, you ask me, though.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I think it'll die around three 300. I might even shoot a little bit lower.
SPEAKER_06I was gonna say four to be honest, just because 400? Oh wow, not profit, but 400 growth. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Uh I I don't know. I I just feel like it's a strong enough opening weekend, and when I compare it, like comparing it to like Mando and Grogu, and like I feel like this will have slightly better legs, and Mando and Grogu is gonna die out at like 330 to 350. Like I could see it just being like a leg above that, just with word of mouth. Um, just it seems to be a little bit better. Then again, you could say, well, you know, this just had the pure like Star Wars fandom who were gonna go see it regardless. So yeah, funny. I finally had a lot of faith in it.
SPEAKER_07La last thing I'll say funnily enough, the one of the co-workers I was talking about, uh, his whole family was because they want to have like a family movie day, they were going to go see this movie, but then they saw the reviews and they actually turned to go watch obsession.
SPEAKER_04So here's here's the thing I don't think the word of mouth has been good at all. Like Brandon will tell you, we were with our family. I'll just leave it, leave it at that. We were with our family, big A, like they were as hyped up as anybody could be for this movie. I'm talking about like on their alien documentary, kick, everything like that. All three when we got out of the movie were like, that's two and a half hours I will literally never get back in my life. I'm not recommending that to anybody, like they hated it. And we even like peeped in on the discussion a little bit and I just looked at Braden and I started grinning. I was like, because what was said, what was said, this was the conversation out of like the three people. Oh, yeah, that disclosure day. My my buddy called me and said, Oh, you don't have to watch it. All the plot was in the trailers there. You're you're you're not missing out on anything. Other person, yeah, yeah, no, I didn't like it at all. Other person, yeah, I literally would not recommend that movie to anyone, and I just turn around, and I'm just staring at Brandon, and he's like, I know, I could have told you that was gonna happen. I kind of figured. So um I thought that was pretty funny that in real time we got to see word of mouth just kill the movie. All of the recommendations were just thrown out the window.
SPEAKER_07Actually, I think the reviews are gonna put a damper on this.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I'm gonna revert a little bit between Toy Story 5 and Supergirl. I I think that this movie will will die a little.
SPEAKER_03Oh, no, I'm saying with other movies coming out. I was like, why are you? I was like, wait, where are you going? I thought you said your graph was this is gonna fall anywhere between Supergirl and Toy Story.
SPEAKER_06I was like, Oh no, with those movies coming out, I I just think there's already too many movies out right now that like like Charlie just said, people are gonna hear that this is eh, and they're gonna go see something that's getting a little bit better word of mouth, or just that's being talked about more on social media. Like, backrooms is getting like really good word of mouth in reviews. Yeah, obviously, like it's starting to die out as well. But is there people who like will show up to the theater and have an option of disclosure day, which is getting pretty negative word of mouth, even in comparison to its scores, which are like high 70s or whatever it whatever it is right now, which I know we're not going to dive into too much right now, but even that seems like almost uh higher than it should be based on purely like the discussion that I've seen around the movie. So when people are presented with so many options, I mean you still have the Michael movie showing, and then you have backrooms and obsession if you're more of a horror fan, you're about to have Toy Story 5, Supergirl a couple weeks away from the Odyssey. I I do think there will be a question of like why would you choose to see this movie when there's so many other options, and also other options that are getting like very, very high praise. So I'm gonna revert back and and and say that it's closer to like a 300 total gross three to three fifty. I I think we're all right there. Three to three's a little ambitious, yeah. I think if it breaks even, he should be happy with that result at all. He knew he was taking a risk when he was his last pick.
SPEAKER_04So that's a decent, yeah, that's a decent, that's a decent risk. I mean, I'd be willing to to take that risk if if I could live in that moment of all of those reviews coming out, being like, I'm on top of the world. This is this is gonna win me. Like, I remember having conversations with him, and he was like, dude, this this just changed my entire opinion of the summer. If this movie is as good as people are saying, this could have a ridiculous profit, and then the budget came out super low, and it was yeah, so uh the actual scores came out, and I went and I I bought some roads.
SPEAKER_06Like, that's just what happened.
SPEAKER_04And we get we'll we'll we'll touch on that next week, right? Because uh X-Men 97, Toy Story, and all that stuff will be out. Okay, so much. Um as for as for now, yeah. The other um pieces I want to touch on for us. Uh, this is one of those bomb picks I was talking about, guys. Uh He-Man. He-Man has bombed very hard. It is official. He-Man has has bombed big time. So um, I actually I watched this movie. I don't I uh we never really talked about it because we we've been trying to cut you know a lot of the talking out. I did watch He-Man and I actually enjoyed it. I I gave it three stars. I thought it was a pretty decent movie. Um, some of the coolest like action sequences I've I've ever seen in like a big quote unquote blockbuster-esque movie. Um, so I think Travis Knight did the best that he could do with with this. Um, it was a fine movie, but it has bombed a big time. So uh it had a budget of 200 mil. The break-even on this bad boy, whenever you factor in marketing, all of that fun stuff was a 500 mil break-even, and this thing can't even get to 100. It's it's literally crawling with an a with an arrow through its foot to the finish line of 100 mil, which means we're all we're all losing 137 million dollars.
SPEAKER_07It's gotta be one of the worst bomb pick. Like, no great bomb pick, sorry, but one of like the most devastating bomb picks of the year.
SPEAKER_06Like right now, it absolutely is.
SPEAKER_04The one that came to mind, the one that came to mind as soon as you said something was Desert Warrior. But that one, yes, yes, yes. Which honestly, I I think this will finish. I think this, I think when it's all said and done after Masters of the Universe finishes. No, I don't know. I I think Masters will still be worse.
SPEAKER_06So how does this happen, by the way? Can we just ask that question?
SPEAKER_07That is crazy.
SPEAKER_06I didn't even hear about this movie. Did it actually come out and it made yeah less than the budget of obsession?
SPEAKER_03Like what yeah, yeah, actually has it happened.
SPEAKER_04It was like funded by a Saudi Prince or something, so he just backed up the brinks. Yeah, released it in five theaters, called it a day. Like what yeah, look at that. I mean, look at that hype number, it's a hype number one. Jeez, that I think is the it was the worst. Um bit, but I saw the guy that doesn't oh my god, look at that. Um, I saw the guy that handles the the website, and uh, he was like it's not even the worst bomb pick of the year so far. But I yeah, I think it is. Maybe maybe he's thinking that it'll there's no way Masters of the Universe grabs another like 50 mil though when it's all said and done, right? Like no way.
SPEAKER_06So we would all be so much happier if we weren't doing the the times 2.5. Oh, dude.
SPEAKER_04I would actually I actually wonder what that would what that would look like. How would the leak shake out?
SPEAKER_07Um speaking of back root the uh or obsessions budget, that hasn't changed on the website. As it's still a million, it won't.
SPEAKER_04Yes, it's still a million.
SPEAKER_06Just sit there and I'm pretty sure that that's just one of those things that like a report latches onto it, and now they're just gonna say 750 because it because like back rooms also was reported to be closer to like nine million. Yeah, yeah. So I think it's just the way it is. I don't know.
SPEAKER_04Is there anything else we want to we want to touch on in terms of the of the draft? Any how are we feeling about our statements? How are we feeling about I don't know? That's what's it been. Hey, I also watched that really good movie, man. Really good. Four four stars. I thought it was so endearing.
SPEAKER_06I don't know. It it was duplicated. Had it come out in the start.
SPEAKER_04Had that come out in like uh you know, late February. Yeah. I mean, because I'm like Project Hell Mary would have, but I like I think it's a good enough movie that I think it could have broke even for you, honestly, if it just wasn't surrounded by it has no it has no room to do anything.
SPEAKER_06I should have looked more at the schedule and just seen where everything falls. Because instead of doing Power Ballad, I could have I think I could have gotten Insidious and still gotten Evil Dead. And Power Ballad was kind of like my kind of cheeky one because of the director, it already had like amazing early reviews and whatnot. So I just kind of it was my throw it out there on a whim, and who knows what's gonna happen.
SPEAKER_04But yeah, also the budget's in the budget's kind of crazy when after watching the movie. Um, it's kind of insane that this is a ten million dollar budget. Like you watch backrooms and then you watch Power Ballad. This should be a two million dollar budget, a hundred percent. I mean, which like still doesn't help you all rudd. Like, I don't know. I that's probably I mean, honestly, that's probably it. They probably just both wanted five mil. I was saying whole budget.
SPEAKER_06I think um I think Evil Dead will do well though, because I I think we've we haven't had a a new horror movie in a couple weeks, and so I I feel like it will kind of hit right in the sweet spot of like horror fans for the summer wanting to go and see that movie because then I don't think there's anything for like a couple weeks after that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and I'm feeling pretty good about this.
SPEAKER_06I can't lie, I can't lie.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I think Supergirl, I think Supergirl's gonna be a huge bomb. It was I think it'd be like 400. I think 400.
SPEAKER_07You think four?
SPEAKER_04I think four. If it's okay, here how about this? What are the projections? 400. I think 400 if it's good. I think 350 if it's um if it's just all right. Projections aren't matching up with Thunderbolts. That's what I'm seeing a lot of people saying.
SPEAKER_06It'll it's gonna open the same as Thunderbolts, and but then Thunderbolts had great word of mouth and made 450 or something, 430.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. Which that's one that's that's damn it had a 180 million dollar budget. That's insane. Oh, I can actually um pull up Thunderbolts here. So yeah, I think I think if if Supergirl is really good, um, it'll fall around 400 just because I think they're gonna start marketing soups in there a whole lot more. Yeah, um, I I think they're gonna try to get some butts in the seat with that. Um 382. And that was a good one.
SPEAKER_07I didn't even know that.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, huh? Yeah, I I don't know. I think the best Marvel movie in years, and it wow, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Well, you you also I I think there's a little, and I'm I don't I'm not saying that you're saying this directly, but I think there is a little bit of a difference between a supergirl movie coming out and a Thunderbolts movie, especially with uh respected where the franchises are currently at.
SPEAKER_07Oh, I mean, absolutely. I think that's undeniable.
SPEAKER_04I mean, yeah, Supergirl is is just a bigger, more well-it's in a more healthier, yeah, and it's in a healthier position.
SPEAKER_07Um Supergirl has had a film before that's come out, so like, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. I think the highest, and this is what I was factoring in when I told y'all I was crunching numbers. I think the highest that we're gonna look at, me, Charlie, and Brandon, I was splitting up about 50 mil for each of us and 100 mil for each of us from Masters of the Universe. So uh minus 150, Charlie, for me and you, um with everything. But I think Supergirl, yeah, 50-50-50, that's 150 mil. Um, minus what is its break even 437. Yeah, so just under 300 at the lowest. Um or at the biggest loss for us. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_07I could yeah, I don't, I mean, uh, which I know you don't think it's gonna be a fantastic bomb pick. I know you said you're feeling good about it. Uh uh, and I I I think that that's you're fine to feel that way, but I don't when it's gonna when it at the when it's all said and done, yeah. If it hits that 400 mil, like we're not looking at that much of the dent.
SPEAKER_06Well, I guess I'm more so feeling good about it in the sense that a month ago the budget was reported to be 100 million with a 250 break. Sure, yeah, but that's making that's like yeah, guaranteed to be able to do that. Oh, yeah, that's easy profit.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06So with uh just over 400 million, that's at that's at least giving like it's giving me something. So sure, yeah. It was still like still a bad bomb pick, and I pulled the trigger way too early. Obviously, it was like our first year doing it, and I realized now that like you should never pick your bomb pick early, like you should pick your seasonal pick. Which to be fair, like my seasonal picks didn't end up being bad. I got the mummy as my last pick or whatever, but yeah, what a crazy pick. Yeah, but I I think we're all gonna play next year a little differently. We're gonna learn a lot and whatnot.
SPEAKER_04So it's you know, it's whatever. I wanna I wanna self-glaze a little bit. I'm pretty happy with my bomb pick.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04You got a good bottom pick. Yeah, you know, I'm I'm pretty happy with that.
SPEAKER_07When did you pick it? You picked it in the last round, uh, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Last it was my last pick. Uh the last last one that I want to comment on, um, unless y'all are itching to comment on something else. Uh, I just think this will be better discussion than anything else. Um, Moana. We've just we've we've kind of been floating around talking about this movie. Uh, this I feel like is the biggest wild card out of everything on our on our list. Um, and and just how Moana is gonna pan out. And the reason why I say now is because word of mouth is starting to pick up a little bit. They're they're starting to show the trailers but behind um not disclosure day. What did I see recently in in theaters? Crap. I'm I'm blanking, but power about I def it wasn't no, it was something in I'm gonna be no you wouldn't watch cosmic circus, yeah. Whatever that's cosmic circus, bro. Whatever that thing is. Uh let me see Masters of the Universe. Oh, it's Masters of the Universe, Grogu, I don't know, and and then Mando and Grogu, those were the two movies for sure. Um, and you could hear a lot of audible groans, you can hear a lot of oh, what are they doing? Like, literally in the theater, you could hear that. Um, and just talking to people, there's a lot more people that um me and like Brandon told me he was talking to some people that we know, and they were like, Yeah, we have tickets, you know, opening night for Toy Story 5. And Brandon was like, Well, what about you know, Moana? We literally just use our vices, like this is like all is on our mind. And so Brandon's like, What about Moana? Like, are y'all planning to see Moana? They were like, They're making a Moana movie, a live action Moana, they're making one. And Brandon's like, Oh, same people that have tickets opening night for Toy Story. So, I think this this movie is gonna be very like I'm this is my most anticipated like sure movie in terms of our box office draft this year.
SPEAKER_06It will make money. I'm like very confident on that.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I'm fine if it breaks even, truthfully.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I I think it might have been anything.
SPEAKER_07I'm fine with Moana breaking even and that being the story.
SPEAKER_04I guess I guess I'm living in my bubble of like numbers that I've broken down, and like you know what I was showing you all before the episode started, even those where I was like on board with with the Toy Story stuff, and I even gave you an extra 400 million dollar profit on Moana because I was just being conservative. Like, let's say Moana makes 900 mil on a 500 mil break even. That's right, obsession's limit for that gap. That's well, that's what I'm saying. Because like what you're at 430 right now, if Toy Story plays out the way I think, which is a $1.2 billion profit, right? 500 mil break even, $1.7 billion, uh gross. That's $1.6 billion that you walk out of the summer with before Moana, you add $200 million profit to Moana, which I even think still is pushing it. You're at you're at what $1.7, $1.8.
SPEAKER_07Watch Toy Story's budget to speak and lower than you think it is. Uh if I think it's a good idea.
SPEAKER_04If it is, if it is our if it is, I will call I will call it, I will bow out of this fight and just draft for fun. It's gotta be another mill. There's just no, I I there's no chance.
SPEAKER_07I'm just I'm just I'm just saying what if I'm it's actually weird. I mean, I guess it's Monday is the first day of the week, technically. So Sunday is the first day, but first day of the work week. So the the uh the budget will probably come out within the next couple days, but oh, I'm so excited. Really?
SPEAKER_06I would guess so. Like, I don't until they get like official reporting, because like all that stuff. I mean, I don't know how how people figure all that out exactly, but I know some of it has to do with like Disney themselves will report that for like tax credit purposes and whatever else goes on in the financial world for stuff like this. So I don't I mean, I feel like there's a lot of budgets that are just gonna be best guess estimates or based on what some random director or producer says or whatever. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Uh yeah, as for Moana, um, yeah, the it's not it's not looking not looking good for for as far as people's uh reception to the to the live action Moana ism of it all. Um like I was literally I was just at dinner with uh with my my family, with Cassidy's family and uh her older brother, because we were just talking about the movies where it's we were talking about how we're gonna go see Odyssey while we're on this trip in Florida. And uh I brought up the I brought up the live action Moana. I can't remember why I brought it up. Oh, because we were talking about how we go to the theater and and we're not gonna probably go bro, I'm probably not even gonna go watch it. Like, I don't I don't care. Uh but then he's like, Yeah, that live action Moana, no, like I'm not I'm not vibing with that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, fair enough, man. Fair enough.
SPEAKER_06I feel like I have to go watch it because I watched The Little Mermaid and I watched Snow White. I didn't watch Lilo and Stitch, which is like the one that people actually enjoyed. Yeah, I know. But it would almost it would almost feel disingenuous to not go see it only because I don't. I mean, what am I I'm gonna I'm gonna give you another 15 bucks to your box office trap? Like it's fine.
SPEAKER_04That's 15 bucks too much, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_06They did, to be fair, they did listen to some criticism, and the newest trailers actually are looking a little bit better because the first trailers from a color grading perspective looked very dull compared to the animated movie, and it just got a lot of hate. Dwayne Johnson as Maui still looks really whack, but they've at least like saturated the hell out of the movie for the footage they've been showing since then.
SPEAKER_07Really cool poster that they have, though.
SPEAKER_06I will say on the box office thing.
SPEAKER_07It's a really nice poster.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Well, that's enough box office talk from us. Um we are already.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Michael Michael's hitting a billy. Congrats, bro. Congrats, thank you, bro. Yeah, you you need it, you need it. Um, I need it that's it. You hear this? That's it. I'm literally 40 mil behind this boy. He's sweating, he's sweating right now.
SPEAKER_04I'm so scared. I'm not gonna lie, I'm so scared. Uh, transitioning over uh because I think that we're gonna have a lot of good discussion, and we've been talking about disclosure day. That's what kicked off our box office. We have all watched Disclosure Day. We are all ready to give our rating for it and talk about this movie in um all of its glory, right? So Disclosure Day, Steven Spielberg's latest movie, our review in three, two, one. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER_04We're all we're all about, I think we're all on the same.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I do want to get star ratings out of everyone first before we kick this off. I'm at three and a half. I'm at three. Yeah. Okay. Okay, yeah, we're all right there. I was at three and a half, and I the more I thought I was dropped.
SPEAKER_06I was so ah, I'm pissed off. I sat, I loved, and we don't have to jump here immediately, but I just gotta say, the final like 20 minutes, I was loving what was happening. And then the movie just ends.
SPEAKER_07Minus the I want to say, not spoiling, but minus that that news anchor girl. I was like, dude, stop, stop what you do. I didn't love her.
SPEAKER_03What I was like, dude, I thought she was, I thought she was cooking over the top.
SPEAKER_06I thought it was over the top. Really? I thought she was cooking. I actually agree with Charlie here. I read a letterbox review and also saw somebody like talk about this, and they literally said, like, we've got an Oscar worthy performance by Emily Blunt, only rivaled by that CNN anchor. And I'm like, that's crazy.
SPEAKER_07I don't think she was bad, it was just over the top. I was a bit too much, but anyway, let's go. Why not?
SPEAKER_04Wait, wait, real quick, I want to ask, why not give that moment to Emily Blunt? Why not? She's been cooking all the movies.
SPEAKER_02Also, great question.
SPEAKER_04She's been cooking all movie, like she's out here chefing up. Why not give that moment to her?
SPEAKER_06I just I I I think they didn't need to give the mo I think they gave the mo should give the moment to the people, which they did like intermittently, but I just think you take the out of it completely, and it has a larger effect for what it's going for. But I was the final 20 minutes, I was loving it. Like finally felt like I was locked in at the culmination of everything, and then the movie just ends. I needed like 10-15 more minutes after that, and maybe you like cut some stuff out earlier or whatever, because the movie already feels like a little bit long, but it when it and then when it just ended, I was like, I I don't know how to feel. I'm so I'm so confused on how to feel because like when it started to get like really, really interesting, yeah, it's just over.
SPEAKER_04They they they thought they were cooking, they thought they were cooking so hard. He's like, We're gonna have it end on listen and then cut to black. And I'm like sitting there and I'm like, This shit is garbage. What are you talking about? I was actually not hit the way you thought it would. Like, yeah, this was gosh, that was so dumb. That was so annoying to me. I'm like, yeah, this it just doesn't, it does not land the way that I think they wanted it to. The uh the emotion and the effect that they wanted this to to cause and and weigh on you. Now they did all of that during the footage. Like all like that stuff right there is is great, it's amazing. Uh they just didn't get the mic drop ending, I think they were looking for, and that left a weird taste in my mouth.
SPEAKER_06It's yeah, no, it's it's ridiculous because it made my score go up. Like the last 20 minutes made me go half star to a three and a half.
SPEAKER_04That was that was that was my half star, and then just right before we gave our reviews, I took it away. I'm like, I can't, I got I I gotta put the rest over it, and so I took it away. But that was my half star.
SPEAKER_07I think it was good. I I do I I did enjoy the scene as well, but I also just didn't feel like the juice was worth the squeeze um uh up to that point.
SPEAKER_06Like I think it was your reference.
SPEAKER_07Uh I just think uh like it was it was good and I was having a good time with it, but then also, of course, the end. But just I I don't know if maybe like speaking to what Ben just mentioned, like I needed more of the the world's reaction to it because I feel like there's this theme of of of the world and like their larger reaction to it, and that's even a point of contention in the movie, and like that's not something that's that's that's hung upon in that moment. Even so much to the point where like like what's the point of this World War III side plot that I literally once they mention it and I forget that it's happening until they mention it again, and so like they could have done a better job.
SPEAKER_04I I think a lot of it is to contrast the aliens and what disclosure day will bring. And uh I was talking to Brandon a lot about this movie because we double featured this in Furious, but we had like two hours in between. And I've seen reviews, and obviously, the central theme is empathy and and you know how how we would respond to this situation, right? Something as big as aliens and government hiding it for the sake of the human race and what they think will be good. And so I think the World War III subplot is there to kind of contrast, like, hey, we literally stopped World War III in the middle of disclosure day because of the weight of the situation. Um and you know, countries go into war, it isn't no, no, and then that that's what I was gonna end with was that it is not portrayed well at all, and I don't I don't think that should have been in there at all.
SPEAKER_06I I think we should have fast tracked everything that happened in the movie to about an hour and a half, and then the final hour is a continuation of the ending because it's just a really abrupt ending, and then also actually seeing the ramifications of the effect that something like that has on the world, because that is something that is like the main our antagonist, his main motivation is you have no clue what humans will do if they see this information, you have no clue how they're going to react to this, and so like that's never fully realized or like explained or seen, because like if that true if there truly is something there where like you know, uh that could be a compelling antagonist if he can say that, but then also show it, where we as an audience can go, yeah, maybe like full disclosure isn't like the best idea. Maybe there's a middle ground or whatever it may be, but but that's never explored, and so our antagonist just seems like an antagonist. Like when he, you know, towards the end there, it just it's like, okay, yeah, he just was a bad guy the whole time. And I would rather they explore the actual ramifications of what that looks like to kind of like that would give him more uh humanity in a way, if like actually he had good motives. Um, yeah, it could just flesh things out better. So that's how I think they should restructure the whole movie, condense what we got to an hour and a half, another hour to actually like see the stuff that the movie was teeing up.
SPEAKER_04Well, and every single fucking character I think in this movie, aside from Emily Blunt, is so bland, is so bland, man.
SPEAKER_02And it's Wyatt Russell's character, he's so Wyatt Russell who is in this movie, no, not at all.
SPEAKER_04But he's also just typecast it as the shitty boyfriend. He did he not, and uh, I want someone to fact check me on this. Did he not have this exact same role in the Black Mirror episode? Like, is this not just copying?
SPEAKER_06Oh, I forgot he was in Black Mirror, Wyatt Russell as the shitty boyfriend, like it's he plays a pretty similar character in the monarch show as well. I mean, he's also a soldier in that show, so he he has a little more to do, but his personality is pretty much the same.
SPEAKER_04Well, and then Joshua Connor's character, like I feel like he's I feel like they just needed somebody to stand next to Emily Blunt in terms of like, oh, there's two of them, we need two, and uh which I don't know why. I don't know what that really changes for the movie. If it's not just Emily Blunt and Coleman Domingo trying to hunt her down, but even Coleman Domingo, he does amazing with what he's given, but it's not a lot. He's literally just the guys come in here. I got a plan for y'all. I got a plan for y'all. Y'all gotta come in here, and that's it. Like, he has a great monologue when he's talking to mustache twirly villain, yeah. But that's about it, man. Like, and I it's there, it's there, and it just needs to be dug through a little bit. Send a dog out there to dig through the fence, but everybody else, like, is just the dude. Oh my god, the biggest pain in my fucking ass, dude. And and I I've grown to hate this more after leaving the theater. Uh, the evil mustache twirly dude sidekick, who is literally just bad for bad sake. He doesn't have any kind of uh standout quality to his character, up until the end where he just yells at the dude for just sitting there. Mind you, he's been chasing them for two fucking hours of this goddamn cat and mouse movie that's like not even what the shit was like fucking marketed as, which I just need I'm not saying it needs to be marketed as that, but like, goddamn, I didn't know I was gonna walk into A fucking cat and mouse chase for a whole fucking two hours. The most boring fucking movie theater experience. But like he just sits there and cusses him out at the end and leaves. And I'm like, dude, what are we doing, man?
SPEAKER_07Like, we didn't even get to see what he saw when Emily Blunt's character like flashed. They're like the most important person to each person at that uh airbase. Like, we didn't even see who he saw. Like, we don't know anything about this guy other than he's just for some reason so dedicated to the cause.
SPEAKER_04This is fucking this is not disclosure day. This is fucking convenience day, the day where everything goes everybody's way for the entire fucking movie. It pisses me off. Shit, you're telling me she has a power to just get out of any tough situation? Cool. Then why did we just spend this entire time leading up to oh Josh O'Connor's gonna get caught? Oh no, he's with her now. Literally, every single thing is gonna go their way, they're completely fine. Like, I also for me worry about stakes.
SPEAKER_07CinemaSins thing, uh, and light spoiler. Um, but like we saw that that guy can control people, right? Uh and he controlled that one girl multiple times. So, like, when they find Josh O'Connor's character and he doesn't have the device that they're looking for, well, where the fuck could he have put it? Like, let me check the the the other girl that I was just controlling, like maybe, just maybe, like as an idea. Let's just let me just pop into her mind real quick and see what she's got. Like, it's like, how do we not think of that? I don't know. I don't know. Cause then, like, if if if if we find that that thing with her, then the third act can't happen. The third, like, it just can't happen.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, a little, a little convenience. It's convenience day, dude. That's that's this whole movie. Uh I saw someone else bring up like in the beginning of the movie where he's holding the device pointed towards the guy, and then they just never show how that could be used in that situation. So, what's the point of it? Like, what is the point of him holding it as a weapon and scaring the dude? It's like we never see it be used in that kind of way.
SPEAKER_07Speaking of the beginning, I actually want to tell like I did not like the beginning, I think. Uh, like I it was I I get the idea of being thrown into the middle of a story uh for for uh peace and enjoyment. Yeah, yeah. And then just so you just feel like you're there's never like a slow place, like, oh, we gotta get through this beat and that and then that beat. But also you still kind of feel like that in in this as well. It's just I now I'm just annoyed because I don't have information that I feel like I should have to properly enjoy because like, yeah, the whole time he's he's pointing the damn thing as you're talking about. Well, I'm like, I want to know what that thing can do. I have no like there's no stakes in this situation to me. Like, I don't like I don't know.
SPEAKER_06I I still don't know. I think it can do anything at this point. Yeah, I mean, yeah, Emily Blunt's power is just like what she got. I mean, some of her power powers are just inherent and don't come from the device, which her ability to transform into and like if I saw Emily Blunt, all of a sudden she turned into Charlie. Like, I'm not backing off, I'm stepping forward, dude. Yeah, I'm fucking making out with her, bro.
SPEAKER_01I'm like, exactly, bro.
SPEAKER_04If it's Emily Blunt or Charlie, like I don't care.
SPEAKER_06But yeah, it's just the other powers of the device because it's it's used so differently, like it's used as an invisibility cloak, it's used as a power source, it's used as a I would you call it just like a telepathic, I guess, mind control. Yeah, not really yeah, it's not it's uh it's more like projection, yeah, yeah, yeah. That kind of um yeah, so it just it kind of just does it just kind of just does whatever. And the explanation is it's aliens, it's just aliens. There's just there's there's three devices, it's just aliens, and yeah, you know, all this information got leaked and is in one guy's backpack.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, yeah. And I wanna I guess we're getting into more spoiler stuff now. Uh so I guess spoiler alert, if you guys care, um we've been we've talked, yeah, we have talked a lot about stuff, but so I guess but just for deeper storyline side stuff, um the religious subplot to this, like that just did not mat one. I thought the argumentation for it was just stupid. I didn't like that her character was just dumb. Uh the nun, uh not the n uh well, the one who used to be a nun. I forget her name. Okay, who's the girlfriend?
SPEAKER_06I thought you were saying like the nun talking about like in Genesis how we're God's greatest creation on earth.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, no, no, no, no. I think the argument that the girlfriend makes to to Josh O'Connor's character early early on, like uh people people would would who are like heavily heavily yoked in faith, they would just like lose their minds and the world would like like I mean I don't think that you can't you can't one uh he already explained that like you can't make that choice for people, like that's not something that like you can't just take that away. Um, but then two, like why does does your idea of religion uh is that predicated on you being God's special person, God's special people? Like I I don't know. I just feel like if you used to be a nun, like I feel like you you would just use that you you would understand that to some degree. But I guess she also is she left the the faith for a reason, left the church for a reason, so maybe that could be an explanation for that, but I don't know. Like it's uh getting to the the nun's explanation to her for it, I just didn't also understand why she couldn't have understood that herself. If you truly were as yoked in the faith as you say you were, and you you read the Bible and you you under like I don't know, I just don't know how that is something that's that even needed to be discussed in this movie, let alone have it be so tacked on carelessly. Because like it didn't it didn't matter, it was a nothing storyline.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I think it either should have been delved into more with like the larger implications that disclosure day has on the world, or it should have just been dropped entirely. Because I mean, as somebody like who who has grown up in Christianity, like that is something that's debated. Like, there's some people who will read the Bible and think that, like, specifically, you know, God created us as humans, and Jesus was sent down for us as humans, and so it's like, was that the case for all other species in the universe? Did they have their own version of a God and of Jesus and whatever? Like, there is still a lot of like biblical questions around it. Um, but I yeah, I don't think it should have been like just kind of a throwaway dialogue scene between a couple of characters, and then really the only thing that we see is like the group of nuns reacting to this information, which basically, like, she basically in the conversation already confirmed that, like, oh yeah, there's there's other life in the universe. I thought she knew something, I thought she was in on it the way that she was talking. It should have been that's my thing. Yeah, it's like if you're gonna tackle it, tackle nothing.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, if you're gonna tackle it, then tackle it. Like, like actually dive into it, like make it a a a point of conversation. But it seems like the way they treated it was that it was the girlfriend character, it was like her last ditch. Like, do I really want to go through with helping my boyfriend on this? Let me let me ask the nun. Which, like, I don't get why would you go so far as to like here, handcuff me, tie me up, you can't trust me anymore. Like, you're you're going through all these steps to ensure that he can keep going forward, but then in the you're at the you're at the 10-yard line, you're in the red zone, and and yeah, you're just you're deciding like maybe I don't want to do this. Let me let me let me ask my mommy real quick. Like, what are we talking about? I don't know.
SPEAKER_06And then I can't believe he he got rid of all of the information on everything except for the thing that he wrote on. Like, are we serious? That's the one thing that you didn't properly discard. Literally, like the first thing that got checked when she was control was taken over from her, convenience, and it was just right there.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, holy convenience day, dude. Gosh, it just feels so lazy up until the third act, dude. It just feels so lazy.
SPEAKER_06Not Steven Spielberg's best movie in 20 years. Holy crap!
SPEAKER_07Yeah, what was all of this about dude? This felt like this felt like some some flash, some flash shit, bro. Like, oh yes, people coming out of the flash and saying it's the best.
SPEAKER_06Yes, I love that. I'm very, very upset, and it's also kind of confusing, and I've seen some people express that as well. Because like you leave the movie, and it's like there's so many good ideas, there is a standout performance from Emily Blunt, like that's undeniable. She's amazing. There's some beautiful shots in cinematography, but then like for some reason, there's just people who are like specifically glazing certain parts of the movie. Like, somebody talked about there being a stellar car chase scene in this movie. It's like, okay, there's that one cool shot that was in the trailer, otherwise, it's like pretty much just a standard car chase. Like, I don't, it wasn't anything spectacular that stood out, and it's still a lot of unanswered questions of how we got here in the first place and how things operate. And when you have all of those things combined, that really big, shocking reveal that's supposed to be just like the pinnacle edge of your seat moment at the end of it, just doesn't hit as hard as it's supposed to, and it's kind of confusing of how that ended up being the case. I saw people saying, like, the last like hour, I was on the edge of my seat, not knowing where things were going. It felt like everything was gonna end at any point. You never know where the story's gonna go. I didn't really feel that up until we just like were at the point of the reveal, and then I was like, all right, I can lock in and see where they take this. That is where they were taking it, and that's it. And that's confusing.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, uh just an overall, just you know, bummer, man. I I don't know what I was expecting from this movie, but I I feel like I was definitely expecting or hoping for a lot more than than what was given to us, um, which is sad, it's unfortunate. You know, uh I wish I could feel more satiated from this, but I cannot. That I cannot feel. Uh, that's disclosure day. Um, be on the lookout, guys, if y'all are listening this far um for our upcoming mid-year ranking to see where this movie falls potentially. Maybe even see if this falls on one of our topics. I know last year we tried for the first time a nice little disappointing, you know, most um most surprising things like that. Let's see where this falls, if that falls into any of those categories. Something else that I want to bring up. I've been thinking about this and I haven't told y'all uh I haven't told y'all yet. Another category I want to add in there, uh, this might be corny, whatever. Your favorite movie theater moment from the year, like something that happened in a movie this year that you saw or felt or something that has just resonated with you and has stuck with you throughout the year. So I want y'all to think on that. But yeah, guys, um, if y'all want to see where this movie has fallen in our rankings, or if it falls into any of those subjects, keep an eye out for that episode coming up here soon.
SPEAKER_06July is about to be the busiest month of all time. Like we're in Spider-Man mid-year box office winter draft.
SPEAKER_02It's yeah, Comic-Con. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Oh my gosh, yes. That that doomsday trailer's coming. It's it has to be coming. Um, Charlie, you can stick around for this one. Uh, I don't think we'll be like super long. Um, but also if time is allotted for it, we can talk about like some of the doomsday stuff or something.
SPEAKER_06To be honest, I think he should too. And I The Furious. I'm scared.
SPEAKER_03What are you scared of?
SPEAKER_06I am so I am terrified, Aiden. Aiden Aiden, Aiden, Aiden. I I I I need you, I need you by yourself to give your reaction to this movie, and then we'll go from there.
SPEAKER_04Okay. Oh, my reaction. Let me update this. My reaction to the furious, uh, well, because first off, Ben mentioned this on before last episode. He said, Go watch the furious, he recommended it, and he kind of called his shot because then everyone just started on Twitter, and discussion was just going crazy about how awesome this movie was. I think it's like 97.96, maybe higher, or 97.95. Everyone started talking about this movie. So then Brandon texted me, was like, Hey, would you be down tomorrow at like nine to go watch the furious? And I was like, dude, yeah, I don't have anything to do. So I know Ben is watching it. Give us something to talk about. 2026 movie I can put on my list. So I went and watched it. My review, my reaction of the furious in three, two, one.
SPEAKER_03That shit was ass. I'm sorry, that shit was ass.
SPEAKER_00Oh bug. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03Oh fuck. Yo, you had every right to be worried, man.
SPEAKER_07I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be honest, you're the first person I've seen that is not like this.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, man. Uh I think I have Mando and Grogu over this. Um uh oh man. Ben telling me that he was nervous, it just makes me feel even more bad. Oh yeah, man, this did not hit uh sorry.
SPEAKER_06This did not hit are you fucking kidding me?
SPEAKER_04The uh the action, here's the thing action was cool, and then it goes on, and then it goes on, and I kicked you. There's a fight scene, oh way worse than RRR. But it there was there's a fight scene, yeah, yeah, way worse than RRR.
SPEAKER_07What do we mean worse than RRR? Oh that movie is great!
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. RRR is fantastic. Yeah, I was just saying.
SPEAKER_06Dude, I gotta take this blanket off. I'm swearing.
SPEAKER_04There's a fight scene uh between a couple people. I I won't, just in case Charlie wants to watch it. Whatever. There's a fight scene that goes on for like 20 minutes, 25 minutes. Which one at the end? Towards the end. Are you actually kidding me right now? It goes on for so long. How long is that fight scene? No, no, no, no. I'm not disagreeing with you here. But are you actually serious? It's it dude. No, it's here's my thing, and uh I don't know, because Brandon challenged me with this question. He said, because I was like, I don't know, I guess I'm just not a big action guy, like so, like the stuff was cool. It was it was like there were some cool scenes, and the stuff that they do, they do like this sloppy fighting where they're like falling and like like doing the splits almost, and it looks like sloppy and tired, and it it hits, it's so good. But I told Brandon, I was like, I guess I'm just not that much of an action guy because some of this action, like it's cool, but it it doesn't like have any staying power with me. It's it's just like hey, this is a cool fight scene, and then it keeps going and keeps going and keeps going. And I'm like, okay, man, this is getting so old, like this is getting so long, long-winded. And he was like, Well, then why do you like John Wick? Like he was challenging me. He's like, Well, then why do you like John Wick? Because he's like, Yeah, the plot's very like straightforward in this. Like, this happens, we gotta get it, and then boom, that's it, right? Uh, I'm trying to be super vague for Charlie here. Um, and he's like, Well, why do you why don't he's like, Why don't you why do you like John Wick? Because the John Wick movies I feel like are the same plot-wise, you know. There's there's not a lot of plot there, but there's a lot of cool action. And uh, I was like, I don't know. And I I think maybe it's it's world building, maybe it's gun fu, maybe it's you know, the the way that the John Wick movies they use the set pieces around them. Um maybe I just like Keanu Reeves more, you know. Maybe I just like his motives more. Where this one, it's like the the main character, the dad. I'm just like, okay, yeah, this is cool. Like, we got our premise out there, and it's it was it just felt like a nothing burger to me, honestly. It just felt like a huge nothing burger. It's like, oh yeah, my my daughter's kidnapped, I gotta go save her, and that's it. Like, that's just what happens, and and there's cool action along the way, but sometimes that action can last for 10-15 minutes, and it just it gets to a point where it's like this is fine, you know. There's not there was like so there were moments where I was like, Oh, this, oh, that was cool, and then I'll go like another minute or two minutes just like sitting there watching it. Oh, okay, I like that. Another minute, two minutes. Okay, uh, there's they're still just going at it, like, what's what's going on? Uh, and so yeah, dude, I I was very bored watching this movie. I know that's gonna be triggering, but I was so bored. Ben, what is your rating? What did you uh think of the movie? What did you rate it coming out?
SPEAKER_06Dude, I should have I I thought I set expectations very clear when I brought it up last week. This is similar to a movie like the Raid movies, very simple premise: you're there for the action. And I feel like if you're expecting that, that you wouldn't be disappointed in this movie, but maybe that's just not your thing, and that's whatever. I think this has the best hand-to-hand choreographed fight scenes in any movie I have ever seen, ever. Wow. Ever. Obviously, it's not gun gun fu. Like, that's a little different. Like the and superheroes have different actions and whatever, but purely hand-to-hand choreographed, well-shot fight scenes. I think this has the top-notch best I have ever seen in my entire life. Ever. And that's not like I don't think that's a crazy thing to say, because if you asked me what it was beforehand, I probably would have referenced the raid movies, and I think this is a step up from those in terms of action. I think those have a bit more of a story, but uh action-wise, I think this is a level above. You brought up like their the the kind of sloppy fighting style. I loved it. I've never seen a movie that has used like body weight and momentum as well as this movie used it. Like when people get hit and they're they're moving in certain directions, that that um informs the way that they react and that the way that they counter and fight back and whatever. And even just like even in that very, very opening scene when you kind of have like people that are getting stacked on top of one another, and like the little slide move to drop down between everybody, like all that is like so cool, so sick. And for me personally, you would think that, like, oh, you get tired of that when that happens for an hour and a half. I'll be honest, the last fight scene that was 20 minutes long increased my rating of the movie because at first, like right before that is like where you kind of seem like story-wise, you're basically like wrapped up. It felt like it could be the end of the movie, but I'm kind of sitting there going, like, I think we have like 30 more minutes of the film, and then they kind of tee up what's gonna happen, and I'm like, Okay, they really gotta, they really gotta sell me here, and they did not only like with the 2v2, but then the 2v2v1, like the the different dynamic of how all of that played out, and I am just genuinely beyond so impressed at how they were able to choreograph a fight scene that lasts for 20 minutes, where it continues to do new and different things, and you see cool stuff that you haven't before, and it all feels unique. And like I've said before that if I ever got into the film industry, that like doing stunts and that side of things and choreography would be the side of things that I I would want to be involved in because I think that stuff is just so sick. And I am baffled at like just the beyond creativity, how much practice and time it would have taken to do a sequence like that. And that's true for multiple things throughout this movie. Is the story super straightforward? It is super straightforward. But I'm there for the action, and that delivered on beyond the highest level that I would have expected from the movie. So for me, I loved this movie. It is in my top five for the year so far. I could see it staying in the top 10. This is a movie that is just so my movie that I loved just sitting there and watching it. Like, yeah, I'm good, I'm good just sitting in the action and keep giving me another excuse to watch the next action scene. And they they kept on doing that. So for me, this is my kind of movie. So I guess we're just on opposite ends of the spectrum. I I needed a simple premise and then execute on it on at the highest level, and that's what I got. And it doesn't have the same world building that's that's fleshed out compared to like a John Wick. But I would say that like some of the character work starts to like tiptoe in that area very briefly. Like uh this guy that's on I can't point the bottom left of our screen, the big guy. Hulk, Hulk, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever, whatever his name is, like he had one of those kind of like unique John Wick-esque personalities where like he's kind of um he's not as mentally smart, but he's very big and strong, but he's like strangely athletic as well. Like that, that's like a you know, John Wick chapter four feels like a bit of a video game of a movie, and you have these different like players and characters within it, which is like a really cool way to flesh out the world, and that that is like the closest that this movie had to like, oh, this is kind of a very like distinct individual person with their own motives and fighting style and whatever. And obviously, they don't lean into it too much outside of that, but um just what a blast. I had a very unique theater experience. I told you guys about it a little bit. It was me and then a couple who was probably 65 to 70 years old. When I first walked in the theater room and I saw that they were sitting over there, I thought to myself, they either walked into the wrong theater or they bought the wrong ticket and they don't know what's happening. But then some trailers started to play, and there's there's some red band trailers for some horror movies and um some trailers that I actually hadn't even seen before, like End of Oak Street, uh Jason Statham.
SPEAKER_04Every time I see that, I just immediately think of Ben, dude. Dude, I'm not watching that.
SPEAKER_06Um I hit my limit with those. But um, and then yeah, once we get once we got into it, I I I think that the the wife was probably like Korean or something because when they would like show just a random like location on screen, she'd be like, oh, that's this city, and she like knew the name of cities and locations and whatever. So they must have been really into it. Um, they also were a little a little vocal at a bit of a high volume level, but it's okay. So a unique theater experience, and um yeah, I just like uh for me, it's uh it's one of those things, and I had the I had the same conversation with people after John Wick chapter four came out because that movie's almost three hours long, and uh at the time there wasn't an immediate plan for like more John Wick films, there was plans for like spin-off movies, and so when people complained about the three-hour length, I go and sit in that theater and I question them and say, Why would you not want more John Wick? Because the same people who will say that John Wick 4 is too long will also say that they want more John Wick movies, and it's like that doesn't add up to me. Like people wanting just an individual succinct experience to be shorter, but then they want more of the same thing. It's like, well, just sit and enjoy the three hours that they gave you. So, as an action guy, yeah, are the sequences very extended, super long sequences of action where like you are very aware at how long it's going on for. Yeah, but why would I want less of that when it's so well done? That's where I come from, and that's why for me, this is such a great movie. Thank you for letting me get on my high horse. I I feel better than I did. Obviously, I had a bit of a reaction, but I understand that it's just a it's just a difference of opinions, a difference of personalities, and that's not gonna change how much I love this movie.
SPEAKER_03That's no, that's fair.
SPEAKER_04And it I don't think I think he was at uh three and a half, uh, three and a half stars. He he was like, I he's like, oh, I really liked it. Like he he had some similar complaints to me, but he was like, um, he's like, I mean, I I'd still give it uh three and a half, four stars. Like, I think it's still a four, a four star, three and a half star movie. And I was like, oh, and he looked at me, he's like, What are you at? I was like, I'm at like two stars.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god.
SPEAKER_04I was like, oh yeah, um I'm at about two stars.
SPEAKER_06I was at a I was at a three and a half, but then the final 20-minute extended fight sequence took me up to a four. Yeah, yeah. That's and I have to I do have to say, then the sequence right after that almost made me take it right back down.
SPEAKER_04Um when the dude walks away. No, the the no are you talking about the very, very end? The oh yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06The bikes like the fact that we went from like the peak of the peak, and then we just had to throw in another five-minute scene after that. Yeah, that that that really annoyed me. We should we should have wrapped that all up during the big sequence, call it a day.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, and I figured this discussion would be more of just uh more of just differing opinions, not so much like we both watched a movie on a genre that we feel the same about, and I hated it, you loved it, we're fighting about why. It's I I think it's just it's just more so a different you know, differing tastes, uh difference of tastes. And yeah, that's fine, you know. Uh I I can if I put myself in your lens. I walked out and I was like, Ben's gonna absolutely love this movie. He there's no way he didn't love this movie. Um so I just it's the most you movie that ever exists.
SPEAKER_06That never dude RRR is also so I mean RR is clearly better than this because of the you know the amazing character work and whatnot. But this is still uh this is still I think so good. I think it it's landed in my four spot for this year, which is crazy to say out loud. Wow. But yeah, right now I'll just I'll I'll do a quick I'll do quick top four. I know we're gonna do our recap here soon, but just to so you can see where it lands. Project Hail Mary Obsession backrooms this movie. I still haven't seen Michael, that's probably the biggest one that I haven't seen. But um Michael and then like at some point I will check out Nirvana the band, the show, the movie, just because you've been on a high horse about it.
SPEAKER_04So yeah, that is my second favorite movie of the year. Uh if I like it, uh, if I like it that much more on a rewatch, it could jump. But I I would say if yeah, if y'all could watch that before we do our end of the or midway, um our midway of the year at the end of June. That would because I'm I'm I'm just interested to see where where it plays placed for y'all. Interesting. I'm excited to do our end of the year. I think I think we'll have some pretty differing ones. I think we all kind of know what's what is making it where just based on what we've talked about.
SPEAKER_06But dude, there's a good chance that this movie is in my top ten at the end of the year. I'm just saying. Like, do I think there's probably four or five movies that will end up above it? Obviously, like we're probably about to get three of them in the next month. Like, we all know this, yeah. Um, but is that number six or seven movies that'll be above this? I don't know if it is.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's that's fair. I mean, looking in your lens, I could I could see that. I just I wasn't the biggest fan of this one. So um that that's our review of of the furious. Once you said you were nervous, I was like, Oh, do I do it too? I I I just I had a gut feeling.
SPEAKER_06This it's actually what I was saying to you before we started recording. Where I was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. We gotta get into this. I I just I had a gut feeling that that's how it was gonna go. And so, as we were about to talk about it, I was just getting very, very nervous. And turns out my feelings were correct. And Charlie, I don't want you to go watch this movie because I don't want you to break my heart, but once the movie comes out on digital, you should watch some of the fight scenes.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I I actually would love to see like what Charlie would think if if he wanted to be.
SPEAKER_06But I think he would land probably somewhere in between you and I if I just had to take a random guess at it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I could I could see that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I could see that as well.
SPEAKER_04Oh man, well, what a what a fun review. That's been our review of the furious. Um, well, that pretty much wraps up uh the episode. Um, I mean, we could talk about like some Batman news has come out today. Um there was some Batman news in in regards to Sebastian Stan and uh Brian Tyree Henry going back and forth on Harvey Dent, or if he's not playing Harvey Dent, some uh some doomsday news has been coming out. We're gearing up towards a trailer. I know that I could just feel it. I can just feel it.
SPEAKER_06And Spider-Man just have to have it by Spider-Man.
SPEAKER_04You think we have it by yeah, well, yeah, because we talked about this with uh Comic-Con. If Spider-Man's getting a Hall H because they that they actually just announced that today, yesterday, that Spider-Man will have a uh segment Hall H. I assume they're gonna probably just gonna play the movie, yeah. Uh yeah, that's what I was gonna say.
SPEAKER_07I assume it literally comes out that week, so they'll probably or like the next week or something.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and I I think they will drop a trailer attached to it. That's a whole nother month and a half that they're gonna wait with this dang trailer, dude.
SPEAKER_06Hasn't it already been like two or three months?
SPEAKER_07Well, and you gotta think they're gonna do something exclusive for Comic-Con because like new exclusive trailer, and then they're gonna show the rest of the world the first one. Yeah, yeah, and then the second one will be maybe a scene, they'll probably show them like a full-on scene from the movie, the leaked footage, yeah. That shit is not real, bro.
SPEAKER_05It's not real because they would have watched it's real.
SPEAKER_06One, they would have taken it down, and two, the people who saw the com or the cinemacon trailer said that it's not the same footage, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Dude, and they just don't do shots like that, bro. The opening, the like one of the shots is like he slams his hand down on the ground, and then there's a quick, like, close-up shot of his eye of Doom of Doom's eyes. And that is not how they they've never done shots like that. I got it. That screams AI.
SPEAKER_06This was somebody online taking advantage of all the Spider-Man leaks and just using that as like a leverage point to be just like, oh, there's a bunch of leaks happening. Let me let me post this doomsday thing and claim it's real. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04What are what are the odds that we get some more just absolute behemoth leaks, whether it's Spider-Man or Doomsday in the next couple weeks? Like, do you think this trend keeps up? Because man, there have been some.
SPEAKER_07Do we think a whole Spider-Man movie's out there, bro? No, that's my question.
SPEAKER_04I don't know. I I actually thought at first, and I I sent that tweet that they were talking about it, but it was just a trailer. But yeah, I'm surprised that that got shut down so fast.
SPEAKER_07This is an old topic of conversation, but I we might have talked, no, no, no, no, we wouldn't have because it was no way home. Uh but everybody was saying back back in the day, oh yeah, Sony's leaking Andrew and Toby stuff on purpose because they want people to go see it. Brother, no, I never thought that ever. Sony has always had terrible, terrible security uh when it comes to their online stuff. Dude, their 2014 hack was was was fucking embarrassing. It was embarrassing for them, and it's part of the reason that Spider-Man is even in the MCU now. So, like, I'm grateful for it for that reason. But Sony has always had terrible cybersecurity. I don't know why people thought that that was intentional back in just because it was like there's some 4K images that that got leaked of of Andrew. Like, okay, so what, buddy? So what, man? Sony sucks. Sony sucks at keeping their shit tight.
SPEAKER_04Hey, yo. Whoa, how would you know, buddy?
SPEAKER_07Cause, bro, I'm a Sony pony, bro. I've been up in there.
SPEAKER_04I've been up in there my whole life. Yeah, I I mean, I don't know. I I also agree. I don't think the full movie's out there. Um, but I yeah, there's no way. Yeah, I also don't think that Sony's doing anything on purpose. Now, whenever whenever the first like leak happened where they leaked the trailer, if it were to just stop there, I'd have been like, uh, I could maybe see, you know, some some like, oh you know, let's just click this button right here. But then they dropped the freaking, they dropped the like promotion where it's Tom Zendaya and Sadie Sink and uh Jacob Batalone, yeah. Uh if I'm pronouncing his name correctly, uh just standing there promoting the movie. And I was like, Whoa, they're leaking this dude. And they still don't, they're still not saying who Sadie Sink is playing. Like, I mean, I think it's a hundred percent. I it just has to be Gene at this point. Yeah, I think so. I think so.
SPEAKER_06I've heard a rumor about that, but I won't go into it if you guys haven't heard anything. What because there's been some other details that have been coming out, just either between leaks, and then I think there was also some like early early screenings or whatever, uh like test screenings or whatever.
SPEAKER_04So uh, I mean, Charlie, I don't know how you feel about it, but I wouldn't.
SPEAKER_07I mean, I don't know. I'm obviously I'm trying to avoid as much of this movie as possible.
SPEAKER_06So like it's not like they're saying she's a different character, it's more like there's a report of like how they specifically go about when they tell you that kind of thing, how much they're surprised. I'm surprised you didn't seen that.
SPEAKER_07You're like the most important thing.
SPEAKER_06I don't I I just saw something. I I also I did watch the leaks trailer. I can't lie.
SPEAKER_07You watched the whole thing? Uh you said you watched some parts of it, but you you watched the whole thing? I did watch the whole thing.
SPEAKER_04He said that at first, and then he kept saying things about the leaked trailer. I was like, did he? I remember thinking, I was like, did he watch this?
SPEAKER_06Well, I it's hard at the at the time last week when I brought it up, it was hard to know if I watched the full trailer or not. Because I don't like there wasn't as many people, at least on my feed, there wasn't as many people who were just like, here's the full leaked trailer without the you know markings or whatever that's making it harder to see. That that just wasn't um there wasn't as easy of a version to find of that at the time, but since then I have seen just like the cleanest, easy-to-view, full trailer out there. So yeah, and I stand by what I said last week, which is Hulk shot is crazy. I am absolutely gonna want to go see this movie multiple times, and if it's good, I I I think it'll do very well.
SPEAKER_04Gosh, that Hulk is so define that, Ben. Defined very well.
SPEAKER_03You think you're thinking like more than Toy Story?
SPEAKER_05No, hey, hey, I give a range. If it does well, it will be on the high end of the range.
SPEAKER_06Okay, I think I set my ceiling at 1.5, and I will stick by that personally.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's fair. Um, yeah, I mean, I I get it if Charlie wants to um stay away from from spoilers, but I'm surprised this is something that I hadn't even uh I guess.
SPEAKER_06I just saw, yeah, I I basically saw where they said like here's how we find out, here's when we find like kind of explaining what is Sadie Singh's character's role in the film. Because it's enough where she was in some of the promotional stuff, but yeah.
SPEAKER_04Huh.
SPEAKER_06I won't, yeah, I won't say anything more on that at this point.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's fine.
SPEAKER_02Um normally I wouldn't care.
SPEAKER_07Like that's why I watched like the supposed Newsday league, because like normally I'm tapped in, but I'm just trying to I'm trying to be better.
SPEAKER_06Charlie and also Aiden, have you guys seen the new Odyssey trailer? No. That was attached to Disclosure Day.
SPEAKER_04Oh, yeah, that was oh my gosh, that was exhilarating, bro.
SPEAKER_06Oh my god. I I think, and I I said this to John because John's like basically he's always been on the train of like he's way more excited for the Odyssey than for Dune, because he's a big Nolan guy, and I like Dune and Dune 2 more than he does. And so I watched Disclosure Day, and he's out of town, so he didn't get to go see it with me. But I was texting him about the Odyssey trailer. I think this Odyssey trailer is better than the Dune trailer, because previous Odyssey Odyssey trailers were not, I think this one is.
SPEAKER_04I I um I love the Dune trailer, I think I would also disagree, but I also would have to see that Odyssey trailer a couple more times in IMAX because that shit was gosh, dude. That was so like that filled me with emotions I didn't even know I had.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like it finally says in five weeks and it's just bang, bang, and you're like, oh, this shit is coming, bro.
SPEAKER_06This shit is five weeks from body chills for like the final minute of the trailer. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I I'm not I'm not mad at that take. I am dis I would disagree with it, but I'm not I'm not mad at that. It's still very good. I like the balls on that take.
SPEAKER_06Because before I would have been like, oh, it's clearly dune, but now this being a better Odyssey trailer, now it's like it's much more of a conversation.
SPEAKER_07I actually want to talk about the Odyssey a little bit because uh it's a very hot point of contention with uh one of my coworkers specifically. Um he he he's clowning on this movie any chance he gets. Because I I came to work and I immediately after watching Disclosure Day, uh, he asked me how the movie was, and I was like, Well, movie was I mean, it was good, it was decent. But there's an Odyssey trailer. I am so excited for that. And he's like, Oh yeah, the Odyssey. I I I love it when my old Greek stories uh they they don't have any uh Greek accents, and they say they say dad and and daddy and not father or something like that. I'm like, all right, bro. What are like what are we talking about, man? Well, it's a fake story, it is a fictional story. Why do we care so much, right? And then also he is upset with that there's black people in it as well. So like I just like what are we talking about?
SPEAKER_03That's valid. I knew you two were gonna say so we are like I don't what's a he's just he's upset a lot.
SPEAKER_07Oh yeah, gre uh, a story about Greek people and there's black people in it. Yeah, it makes sense. All right, dude. Oh my goodness gracious.
SPEAKER_04Is he is he also uh is he? I say also you're you're like 25.7 percent. Is he 25 is like is he also 40 percent?
SPEAKER_07No, he's white, he's white as hell. He's white as hell.
SPEAKER_04So like he's just sitting there saying that, and you're like, hey bro, what do you what do you think? My problem with the Odyssey, too many people.
SPEAKER_07Dude, it's just the the logic just doesn't it doesn't track, it doesn't follow a straight track mind whatsoever. Like in like that's like saying, like, we as Americans, we can't make fictional stories about North Koreans or something like that. Like, what are we talking about? Like that's dumb. It doesn't make any Sense. And I like it, it sounds like one of those just stupid, like anti-woke takes that just don't actually contribute anything to the conversation. This is the same one who thinks that Star Wars is dead and gone now and the M SDU is is on its way out. So if that gives you some kind of barometer. But but that's got a lot of things. That is a prevailing, I I bring it up. Wait, what'd you say? Sorry. I bring it up because like he's a he he his his talking points he gets from other people. It's not like he comes up with these. So like that's a prevailing like point of conversation about this movie. So like I guess just to I don't know, gauge your guys's uh barometer on it as well. Uh like do you think this is any has any meaningful weight on how it performs in the box office? Review bombs, maybe. Uh what do we what like like what are we thinking?
SPEAKER_04I do think reviews, I I'd be scared. I I'm not I'm not really scared on the on the box office side, and I'm not even just saying that because I have it. I'm I am a little nervous actually, not for these reasons, but for other reasons. But for the Rotten Tomato side of things, I feel like the Rotten Tomatoes score is a lot more. Um, what's the word I'm looking for? Susceptible, success uh susceptible is a lot more prone to these bleeding into the reviews, you know. If if we're looking at just the Rotten Tomatoes reviews and these issues, I do think they're more prone for that. The box office, not so much. I do think the box office, what I am scared of is um accuracy, accuracy to towards the story. How does the story translate from the book onto onto the to the screen? Does Christopher Nolan do a good job at making an Odyssey movie? Is it accurate to what I know and love? I think that will affect the box office. I think that will also affect the scores, and then the other stuff will also affect the scores, not so much the box office.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I think accuracy is a good point. I think that it matters a lot more in this movie compared to like Oppenheimer, mainly because I think a lot more people have consumed the literature regarding the story of the Odyssey. I mean, it's something that I read a version of the Odyssey in high school, um, whereas like Oppenheimer, I went in like very fresh. Uh, you know, I've never read Americ American Prometheus or anything like that. But um I think it'll be more important for this movie. Um, but I I don't I don't really I feel like as long as the movie is done well, kind of like Oppenheimer and gets good reviews and whatever, I don't know that many people are going to sit there and be just like, no, I'm I'm not gonna buy a ticket because I heard something about how accurate this is compared to the book, and that's gonna drive me away. It's like, well, if they see that it's getting raving reviews and very positive word of mouth, I think people are still gonna go check it out anyways. And then for like the the race stuff, if anybody genuinely is like, oh my gosh, there's a black character, and because of that, I'm going to not go see this movie. Like, I don't I don't know that I've ever if if somebody genuinely said that I wouldn't believe that they exist. I know that they do, like I know that there's people out there who actually think that way, but it's like it doesn't feel like that should be like a a real and and normal thing that happens in our society and the world that we live in. Uh so do I actually think it will deter many people?
SPEAKER_07I well, I think that's the uh not to play devil's advocate for these these these people who think this way, but you guys are talking about accuracy. I think that plays into it. Like a lot of people will look at that and say that it's not accurate because there are black people in it.
SPEAKER_06And so, like, yeah, to an extent, like I can I can I can see why it it's a bit of a thin line, and so I want to tread it very carefully. I have absolutely been on the side traditionally that um changing the race of certain characters should not be done and is actually very important, and they like Disney has been a prime example of that in in the past few years and whatever. Um, but I I think it sp it has to do more with like um more with the implications of it. So, like for me, not to hate on my girl Rachel Zegler, done that plenty, but for them to cast her as Snow White when like a whole big piece of it is like Snow White is white as snow, like that's a part of the lore and whatever. And Rachel Zegler is there talking about how she's the the first person of her ethnicity to be a Disney princess or whatever it may be. That to me, I think, is a really bad choice because it's kind of like spitting in the face of the character. Whereas I didn't care as much about like Ariel and the Little Mermaid, um, because specifically them being from I mean, obviously, there there's there's some actual like mermaids are supposed to be from a certain descendant or whatever. I I didn't think that mattered at all to the story, and so I didn't really care about that. Same with like Astrid and How to Train Your Dragon, the live action remake. They cast the character that was most like the personality of Astrid, even if it's not uh a white girl with blonde hair. That didn't take away from the movie at all because the backstory, the ethnicity, the descendants doesn't have significance on the character. Um, so I I think it just depends on like, do people really view that as important? Because like you're not going to cast this movie with everybody who's an actual descendant of the race that they're supposed to be, the ethnicity they're supposed to be, whatever. So, does that really matter to many people versus can you just accept what you're given? And as long as it's portrayed in the right way that services the story, can it just work well like it has for some other projects? Where like I don't want to say, like, I don't even I wouldn't say that how to train your dragon or little mermaid was an example of like a race swap, as much as it was like, let's just cast the person we want to cast in this world. That's how people need to view some of these things. Obviously, like in some instances, I I will agree with that crowd that doing it specifically for the purpose of representation isn't always the best way to go about it. Sure.
SPEAKER_04I don't think I'm a high horse about that whole whole thing, but I yeah I was I think you have a like I think you're I don't think that's like uh insane thing to say. Like I don't I don't I don't think it's from from where you're coming from middle grounded, yeah. Yeah, it's it's very it is very middle grounded. Um yeah, you cut out for a little bit there, but yeah, I was like, what the hell? No, it is very middle grounded. I don't think it's insane. Like if you were to say that you just hated it all and you just everybody needed to be the race that they are in whatever type of media, like Reed Richards, he doesn't need to be a white man with with black hair, you know, and and I think Pedro Pascal's perfect for him. We were casting John David Washington for him. Uh, and I think in but like I'm not gonna sit here and say Ryan Gosling for Black Panther, you know, like or and we were even uh like having to cast uh Jewish Jewish actors for Magneto, right? That was something that me and Charlie gave ourselves that line for because or Jewish actors for Magneto and for um Ben Grimm. Ben, yeah. So I don't think that's that crazy to say, anyways, Charlie, I cut you off.
SPEAKER_07Um, well, I I just want to clarify. I wasn't bringing it up to like have the conversation about like race swapping and and whatnot. Just because you you you guys mentioned accuracy, and I and I so like with that, tying into like the the the idea of putting black people in a traditional Greek story, uh, combine that with the apparently they don't use Greek accents and they say things like dad and daddy or whatever Tom Holland calls Matt Damon. Um, do you think all of that is enough uh that is not accurate to deter a enough people? Because that that's that's why I'm asking.
SPEAKER_06I think it inherently doesn't deter people. I think the problem is that like from a social media perspective, if it gets enough like buzz and conversation, where then like if people start asking the cast and crew about it in interviews, and if they're like I I think if it gets pushed too far, that then yes, some people will be turned away by it, which I think is like a big thing that happened with like the Snow White stuff. Like, inherently, if Rachel Zegler said nothing, I think Snow White would have turned out very differently. And so I I really think it depends on the social side of things, but then also the reaction from like Christopher Nolan and the whole cast and crew and whatever leading up to the movie. And I I think if it just kind of like doesn't get brought up too much, or even if it's just about like the specific accents or whatever, and Chris Nolan just talks about accessibility and practicality of telling the story, whatever. If that's the case, I don't really see it having a big impact. And again, if anybody truly decides not to watch the movie for for one of those reasons, I it they're just not a big movie fan in the first place. Like I don't really, I don't really see it deterring a large group of people, it would be a very vocal minority, and who cares what they say, anyways.
SPEAKER_07Uh I speaking of which, I'm I'm that this is why I asked this earlier. Uh, if the Odyssey, the regular Odyssey tickets are on sale, I'm very interested to see what projections look like whenever those drop.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06When when is that the phenomenal opening? Yeah, it's the 17th. That's what I'm saying. Like, why are tickets not out for that?
SPEAKER_07Why are regular tickets not out for that yet? But Spider-Man's tickets drop in two days. I think that's at the end of the month.
SPEAKER_06They're trying to, it's the Chris Nolan of it all. I think they're trying to fill as many IMAX seats as possible before even offering regular showings, right? Standard format.
unknownYeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Because, like, if people want to go see it, and like right now, if you're a casual viewer and it's like, oh yeah, I want to go see it opening weekend, your only options are to see it in IMAX. You're probably gonna spend the money and go see it in IMAX and plan on that. And he's gonna get as many butts in seats to go see it at the more premium expensive format compared to if regular tickets were out, there's a lot of people who don't care as much. Yeah, but that's just that's just a theory.
SPEAKER_04A film, a film theory. Well, I think that was some some good discussion. I'm excited to see as the uh um projections come out. I mean, we have a lot of stuff that we're waiting on. Toy Story, uh Spider-Man once tickets go on sale. Yes, our glorious, our glorious uh imax legend, um, the Odyssey. So we got a lot of projections. We got a lot of projections to come out. Uh, I think uh I think this summer is going to be one of the greatest summers this podcast has ever experienced. So if you want to be around for it, be sure to like, comment, sub. As I said in the beginning, and as always, stands, leave a comment down below. We'll break down anything that you that you want us to. Uh, we'll react to your hot takes, we'll say slurs, we'll hit some hard R's, you know, we'll do whatever you want. You know, if you drop in comments, we'll do whatever.
SPEAKER_06Charlie, can you get your friend to come on the podcast and drop the hard R? Which friend? The one co-worker?
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